Kosovo Isn't a Precedent for Separation: Rae

Bob Rae aside, are Quebec's separation issues truly analagous to those of Kosovo?

autoworker wrote:

Bob Rae aside, are Quebec's separation issues truly analagous to those of Kosovo?

Bosnia was made a militant Islamic base by US Liberal Democrat-fascists working with their Al-CIA'duh creations in the 1990s. And today  it's a US-backed narco state led by KLA war crims leftover from the nineties. So basically what we're trying to know here is that Bosnia and Kosovo aren't nearly as corrupt as Canada has been over the last 140 years. As corrupt and lawless as Kosovo is, there is hope for democracy there, We can't say the same for Bananada. I support Quebec's right to separate and be scooped up by US corporate interests in the process. If they wanna speak American and American only one day, then it will be entirely on the shoulders of Milosevic and Izetbegovic neoliberal wannabes in PQ. Quebecers themselves won't know whether they've been screwed, glued or tattood in the end though.

Cueball wrote:

These factors had a serious impact on value of the Yugoslav federation for its constituent states. Among other things, it is important to note that the appeal of the microstates was not universal; for example, while the mainstream press made it look as if each and every Croat was in favour of independence from the federation, or at least Tudjman's idea of independence, seeing as HDZ only got 40% of the vote, even if that made for a majority in Parliament, on this basis Croatia became independent, without a referendum.

One dubious thing about the Kosovo declaration of independence was that it was not preceded by a referendum. The same is not true, however, of Croatia: There was a referendum on May 19, 1991 with a turnout of almost 80%, of which 93.24% voted for independence. (OK, I'm using Wikipedia as my source, and it might not be entirely accurate.) There was still a problem: the referendum was boycotted by most of the Serb minority within Croatia. I have to admit that my source is problematic: the same Wikipedia article gives different dates for the actual declaration of independence, which does not give me the greatest confidence. Time to check other sources...

Kosovo independence will effectively forced the Yanqui imperialists and their NATO minions, whatever sabre-rattling and hot air about "freedom" they vomit out, to accept the same in South Ossetia. But it may take a while. If there's one thing the lidless eye hates ... it's being told what to do! lol. So they'll wait a bit and pretend.

So, two articles from a site that will pretty much post any allegations, and two articles by a disgraced ex-republican senator.  Anything more substantial? 

Lachine Scot wrote:

So, two articles from a site that will pretty much post any allegations, and two articles by a disgraced ex-republican senator.  Anything more substantial? 

I think the KLA "criminal" angle has been pretty substantially proven, forgive me if I am wrong. It would not be the first time that guerilla organizations engaged in drug running and other criminal activities to fund their movement. That is not to say the KLA is nice, or anything like that.

More appropriatly, though, you asked for Fidel to substantiate his allegations about Bosnia. I will say that it has been pretty clearly established that "global" Muslim militants have appeared in all these places. Indeed, I saw a SkyNews special featuring footage of Arabic Muslim militants in Bosnia "trying" a couple of Serb militia men who were subsequently beheaded. I don't think the fact that there is an active "internationalist" Muslim militant network is really in doubt. Nor is the fact that they show up everywhere from Chechnya to Afghantistan disputable.

What is disputable is if these activists were the driving force behind the movement in Bosnia. Obviously, Bosniaks had serious issues relating to the dissolution of Yugoslavia that went far beyond any fantasies that Fidel might have about a Bosniak CIA-Al-Queda. The Bosniak movement was most certainly led by Bosnian Muslims.

Could such activities been part of a wider campaign to destablize Yugoslavia? Sure. But its not as if the whole thing was orchestrated out of Washington. Serious internal conflicts were already present and active, even if "the west" may have helped push the old man off the cliff.

Above all, lets not confuse Bosnia and Kosovo. These are entirely different things. The independence of Kosovo comes as the final outcome of what was a direct NATO intervention and occupation. Direct UN intervention in the early 90's happened after an intense period of inter-ethnic warfare had already broken out.

Am I a supporter of IMF/World Bank, US and NATO meddling in the Balkans? Not at all, but lets at least try to keep some sembelance of reality in this discussion. At least Fidel might not go off on a rant against the Kosovo Liberation Army. when asked questions about Bosnia -- just because both Kosvar's and Bosniaks may be Muslims who are from the Balkans, does not mean they are the same.

Cueball wrote:

Am I a supporter of IMF/World Bank, US and NATO meddling in the Balkans? Not at all, but lets at least try to keep some sembelance of reality in this discussion. At least Fidel might not go off on a rant against the Kosovo Liberation Army. when asked questions about Bosnia -- just because both Kosvar's and Bosniaks may be Muslims who are from the Balkans, does not mean they are the same.

My point exactly-- I'll be the first to admit that Bosnia is a country with plenty of trouble, that like most balkan states is highly corrupt up to high levels of power.  But Bosnia is not Kosovo, neither have I ever heard it being called a Narco-State or a fundamentalist Islamic state..

Make up your mind, it is or it isn't.

It isn't. Al-Qaeda is colder war fiction perpetrated on Americans for the purpose of rolling back civil liberties and blackmailing them out of hundreds of billions of their tax dollars every year. Our stooges in Ottawa play along.

Uh huh. So they exist then.