Obviously, they can't keep the government in power on 100 no-confidence motions and still expect anyone to believe they're a different party than the Tories.
And they can't really think anyone believes they'll repeal any of the horrible Tory bills they, effectively, passed.
Why don't they just cross the freaking aisle and get it over with?
Pffft! Good question, Ken. Why don't they merge, and quit fooling Canadians into thinking there is a ray of sunshine between 'em?
To give the illusion of democracy. Just like in nothing but conservatives alberta for the last 40 years..that is true democracy they tell you. They get to change leaders. As we speak they are only talking about doing away with stelmach and not the PC party in general. this from the same people that bitch about Cuba.
Merge..No way! They have Canadians by the short ones at all times with this present system. Talk about a culture of entitlement. Either Canadians vote for the Con or the Lib all under the illusion of good cop/bad cop.
It’s actually quite sickening after a while watching them pave the road for each other under the guise of deficit and deficit fighter. The only great things they have ever done were all NDP ideas and Canadians just can’t seem to figure it out. Medicare, central banking, employment insurance, old age security…..countless other regulations regarding human dignity, rights etc…Sometimes you have to wonder if Canadians even deserve these privileges the way they treat the NDP.
The blame for this is the media however…they could point all this out and blow their cover but they are in bed with them also. This is why I always hope a left media comes to pass someday. It’s the only way this sham will ever be exposed for what it is.
Wouldn't a merger into a ConLib party be a bad thing for progressive voters under Canada's antiquated first past the post voting system?
No. Since such a party would be, by definition right of centre(I'd suggest calling it the Cancred Party)anyone who self-identified as a
"progressive-liberal" or a "left-liberal" would naturally migrate out of the merged party and find a home in an actual left-of-centre formation.
Well, not to defend the Liberals, sure they've had many more opportunities to fold and give comfort and support to the Cons, but they are the official opposition, the second largest sitting party, and have many more opportunities than the NDP to do so, but let's not pretend the NDP haven't had their chances and sided with the Cons as well.
I expect the Liberals to act this way ... there was a time I wouldn't have expected this from the NDP.
~ yawn ~
...never miss a chance to take a cheap shot, eh?
BTW, Buddy Kat, the media doesn't report on the good cop/bad cop game for the same reason the Cons and Libs will never merge: because their corporate masters won't let them.
~ yawn ~
...never miss a chance to take a cheap shot, eh?
And this personal attack is not a cheap shot?
You could instead have pointed to where the NDP has brought down the Cons when they had the opportunity, that would shut me up.
We are lucky we have a third party to vote for look at the US
And this personal attack is not a cheap shot?
ummmm ...no.
I thought it was an observation of the obvious - obvious to everyone but yourself, that is. But if you'd rather not know you're boring us rather than pushing our buttons, I'll quietly allow you to continue embarassing yourself.
Please, do go on...
Thanks for the heads up, I wasn't aware I could simply claim I was bored and that gave me license to start posting personal attacks ... Hope you don't mind that I am asking the mods here for a clarification on this new rule.
While I certainly don't think LTJ's comment was particularly constructive, No Yards, and indeed a borderline personal attack, I don't think you can be surprised that you received a negative reaction when you introduced the NDP into a discussion in which they did not really figure. I mean, it's not really a thread full of biting political analysis in the first place, but your casual anti-NDP comment wasn't going to make you any friends based on the tenor of the discussion thus far.
So: LTJ, yawning is not an acceptable way to respond to other babblers' posts with whom you disagree. And No Yards, please don't bait NDP partisans with throwaway comments like #7.
Is babble turning into a kindergarten class? Word for word, it seems that people are using more of them on thread drift than on thread topics.
Thanks Catchfire, but I assure you I am not specifically trying to be anti-NDP (criticizing the NDP when you feel they are moving in an unprogressive direction to my mind is exactly the opposite of being "anti-NDP".) Why is it that criticism of the NDP is automatically considered "ant-NDP"? I'd love to be able to support the NDP again, but I find that impossible at the moment.
The NDP has supported discrimination against voting rights of veiled Muslim women , IMO treated a transgendered candidate totally unfairly, started mixing religion with politics with their official religious commission, supported "tough on crime" laws which if that were not bad enough on its own also discriminate against gay youth, essentially turned its back on the Palestinian issue even to the point of publicly criticizing an NDP MP for speaking the truth about Israel (and a few other issues that don't automatically spring to mind at the moment,) and now this registry issues comes along and once again the NDP seems to be offside (in action if not totally in spirit) with most of the rest of what many people consider the "progressive community". Surely at least some of these actions deserve criticism? Taken as whole is it that unthinkable that maybe the NDP is tending to put "compromise" for the sake of votes ahead of some popular progressive principles?
The Liberals are the Liberals, what use is there in bothering to criticize them here on this board? Not like Liberals hang around here looking for valid criticisms to reflect on, or that anyone really expects that they would listen or act any differently even if they read these criticisms, but maybe the NDP are different, maybe the NDP are a better more principled group? Maybe the NDP can take criticism in the spirit of listening to the left as much as it seems these days that they listen to and take criticisms from the right.
Anyway, sorry for injecting some possible "self-reflection" into a fun discussion on a Liberal CPC merger, you're probably right I could have picked a better thread than this one to broach the subject .. I said my piece so let the original debate continue (sorry for that last bit of mild "snark", but sometimes it's just irresistible ... but I did promise writer I would work on it, and I'm trying, really I am.)
Trying is certainly a descriptor that leaps to mind...
LTJ if you can't post to the thread topic, stay out of it.
The NDP has supported discrimination against voting rights of veiled Muslim women,
Wouldn't allowing veiled women to vote open up our already fraudulent FPTP electoral system to the possibility of even more fraud? In Afghanistan there is a saying among US-backed puppets, that everyone should be encouraged to vote on election day and vote often.
The NDP proposed a bill at the urging of ordinary Canadians for a transparent investigation into 9/11, which is the mother of all conspiracies to keep women in Central Asia veiled from head to toe while our neighbors to the south of us continue subsidizing the madrassa system in those countries. The truth is that billions of people around the world want social democracy not madrassas or US-backed dictatorships.
In short, because we really shouldn't be derailing the thread, as soon as it is shown that Canada has a problem with veiled women defrauding our voting system (which I was unaware of being considered fraudulent, beyond the crappy way FPTP distributes representation of the vote) I'd be open to discussing ways to eliminate that kind of fraud .. if you want to discuss it further then probably a separate thread might be in order.
I don't know the semi permanent ink they frop their finger into is less fraudueltn than our system.
LTJ and No Yards. Get your personal fight out of this thread, and anywhere else that it's popping up on babble. Take it to pm's and stop poking at each other.
Is there any way to get this thread back on track? Or is it done?
You know, No Yards and I are often on the same page, so running to mommy moderator to tattle rather than dealing strikes me as entirely absurd.
Which is to say, there's no personal fight from my PoV. And there was no personal attack, just an observation on behaviour and a couple of cryptic remarks about the ridiculous reaction. But rather than make the moderators deal with my behaviour (making my observations once again), I'm going to voluntarily take a break for a while. See you in a week or two.
BTW, the thread was a tosser to begin with, so it doesn't really matter whether it gets 'on track'.
~ yawn ~
...never miss a chance to take a cheap shot, eh?
BTW, Buddy Kat, the media doesn't report on the good cop/bad cop game for the same reason the Cons and Libs will never merge: because their corporate masters won't let them.
Exactly …they got quite the cozy operation going. The corporate masters own them both and play both ends against the middle. Sure the media is controlled by the same corporate masters and hence a fixed and corrupt reporting system is in place doing the Lib/Con bidding and keeping them in power. There is no way they are going to expose what a crooked and criminally organized system they have in place.
However when people can go on to a forum and expose some of their tactics like the 100 motions of support the Libs got away with, it reeks of exposed tactic. Were getting better, more truthful and accurate news here on this forum than anywhere else, give or take an NDP TV ad.
But not to worry, because if the public does get wise to this they will do what they always have done and that is implement an NDP idea to keep the public at bay or more like in the dark.
You know, No Yards and I are often on the same page, so running to mommy moderator to tattle rather than dealing strikes me as entirely absurd.
Which is to say, there's no personal fight from my PoV. And there was no personal attack, just an observation on behaviour and a couple of cryptic remarks about the ridiculous reaction. But rather than make the moderators deal with my behaviour (making my observations once again), I'm going to voluntarily take a break for a while. See you in a week or two.
BTW, the thread was a tosser to begin with, so it doesn't really matter whether it gets 'on track'.
Just an FYI for LTJ,
Flagging personal attacks is not my first choice, but it seems if I respond to you (or any of the many recent loyal NDP supporters who throw personal insults my way) I am committing an offence .. hell, seems posting slightly off-topic means that I should expect to have direct and personal insults thrown at me if catchfire's response is any indication ... so my only options left are to totally ignore you, or flag you (which might not even be good enough, as with your last personal attack I both ignored and flagged you and I still got a warning 
My point of flagging you was not to have the mods give you a vacation, it was to have them, instead of me (because I'll get warned if I do) point out that personal attacks are not permitted.
But you're not alone LTJ, seems my opinions on the NDP cause a number of loyal NDP supporters to believe they are justified in throwing personal insults my way ... which is fine except that many times being the target of a personal attack means you must have asked for it and are therefore partially responsible (now I know how Mishie and his many incarnations must feel, but then again I'm not trying to justify apartheid 
.)
Anyway, I agree totally that usually we are on the same side, so I don't really take this personally, and I hope you don't either .. cheers.
P.S. A warning to others, call my ideas crazy or stupid if you wish (debate is what I'm here for after all,) but put the word "you" in front of such an attack and I WILL be flagging.
so running to mommy moderator to tattle
I could do without the sexism. Cut it out.
I've just read this thread again. It's not really a topic, we all agree on how the Libs and Tories are the same and why they will never merge. If anyone wants to discuss the NDP, pro or con, or anywhere inbetween, there are surely other active threads, or there will be.
No Yards and LTJ, final directive: you will not bicker on threads, you will pm each other and work it through, or you will ignore each others' posts.
Closing.
