Universal Pharmacare - An issue made to order for the NDP

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Universal Pharmacare - An issue made to order for the NDP

Universal pharmacare could save billions: study

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A universal pharmacare program could chop more than $10 billion off Canada's annual health-care bill, according to a new policy study that its authors say "explodes the fallacy" that such a plan is unaffordable.

The report, released on Monday by the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, concludes the existing patchwork of private and public plans in Canada is inequitable, inefficient and costly.

"Canada’s pharmaceutical policies are a total failure," the study's author, Marc-André Gagnon, told reporters on Monday in Ottawa.

The report also finds that Canada is either the third or fourth most expensive country for brand-name drugs every year — ranked among the United States, Switzerland and Germany — because it deliberately inflates drug prices in order to attract pharmaceutical investment.

 

A pledge to do everything possible to establish a Universal Pharmacare Program may just be the initiative that helps the NDP get past 50 seats.

Sineed

The CBC poll, located here,

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2010/09/pharmacare-would-you-support-...

has 90% in favour!

If the NDP or any other party tries to move forward with this, they can expect the same sort of "principled" opposition as we saw in the US to universal health care, from similar players and for the same reasons.  Consider that if Canadians can save billions, that means some other industry is losing billions.   

Sineed

BTW, if anybody wants to see the whole report, it's here, all 85 pages (I haven't read it yet).

https://s3.amazonaws.com/policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploa...

ocsi

JKR wrote:

Universal pharmacare could save billions: study

 

A pledge to do everything possible to establish a Universal Pharmacare Program may just be the initiative that helps the NDP get past 50 seats.

 

That works for me.  It would be one of those 'good fights' I could get involved in.

KenS

New NDP Health critic, and activist turned MP Megan Leslie has been plugging away behind the scenes on the Pharmacare issue.

I'm sure the NDP pushing it soon, and onward, is in the cards. But that is all I know.

remind remind's picture

Sineed wrote:
 Consider that if Canadians can save billions, that means some other industry is losing billions.   

 

Oh...those poor, poor shareholders, imagine them fighting this...but they will, and when they do, they will be ranting non-stop about how bad the NDP is....about everything else other than their national pharmacare program support....afterall, they wouldn't want to be seen for the hyprocritical pukes that they are.

theleftyinvestor

The BC model would be a good start. While I do criticize a few aspects of it, such as overzealous therapeutic substitution, the plan serves its purpose. My ex-roommate had a well-paying job, and then a few months after he was laid off, was diagnosed with Hodgkins lymphoma. MSP covered most of his treatment costs, but there were also some drug costs not included. I encouraged him to sign up for Pharmacare even if he'd have a high deductible due to his former income. This ended up benefiting him when he was prescribed a large number of expensive immune-boosting injections. The prescription bumped up against his percentage cap, and saved him $10,000 during a time when he was not able to earn any income. Later on, he also received a refund as part of an adjustment to reflect his drop in income. He won the battle against cancer, got stronger, and found a new job. Now he's paying back into the system again.

Sineed

remind wrote:

Sineed wrote:
 Consider that if Canadians can save billions, that means some other industry is losing billions.   

 

Oh...those poor, poor shareholders, imagine them fighting this...but they will, and when they do, they will be ranting non-stop about how bad the NDP is....about everything else other than their national pharmacare program support....afterall, they wouldn't want to be seen for the hyprocritical pukes that they are.

As long as the money keeps rolling in, they don't care what folks think, IMO.  They will fight this tooth and nail, they have enormous resources at their disposal (the aforementioned "billions"), and as the American example shows, they will stop at nothing.

6079_Smith_W

Sineed wrote:

The CBC poll, located here,

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2010/09/pharmacare-would-you-support-...

has 90% in favour!

If the NDP or any other party tries to move forward with this, they can expect the same sort of "principled" opposition as we saw in the US to universal health care, from similar players and for the same reasons.  Consider that if Canadians can save billions, that means some other industry is losing billions.   

Yeah, but they can't expect to support a free market  only when it works in their favour. If they are businesspeople they should understand the meaning of price breaks and minimizing costs by going for the best deals They do the same thing back to us by moving their factories to where the labour is cheapest.  And besides, it's not LOST billions. It's just billions that they haven't earned in one area that they will probably make up in another.

(and yes, I know you are just playing devil's advocate and stating THEIR argument)

Sadly though, I think this great idea is likely a non-starter, for the near future, anyway. Healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction, and we couldn't even get agreement between between Ottawa and the provinces in 1982. I don't expect we are any closer now. The feds are never going to want to have a new tax on their books that they aren't administering, and no jurisdiction is going to want to give up power.

Still, I think this is a great piece of news because it shows how inefficient our current systems are, and it does it in a way that should be clear to anyone who understands what it means to save a buck.

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Plus, the only thing standing in the way of this great idea IS politicians being miserly about their power, so it shows clearly, to people of all political stripes, a deep flaw in the system.

 

 

George Victor

It's my understanding that a big fly in the ointment of universal pharmacare would be the companies divesting themselves of their own pharmacare policies and turning over a rather large lump of responsibility to the public scheme.

But didn't the provincial concensus wind up being rather optimistic...led by Ontario's Matthews, whose own work in reducing pharmaceutical costs has been impressive? Buying as one? 

KenS

I hadnt heard about that George.

To the degree it happen it would manifest in union negotiations and in non-union benefit re-jigs. While that amounts to divesting themselves of the expense- wouldnt it from a government planners perspective be more like an expected phenomena? "If we dont have to pay that anymore, we wont."

So is it a fly in the ointment, or just one of the many things that has to covered?

George Victor

I'm not sure Ken.  But it would seem to me to warrant consideration...at least a mention.

Sean in Ottawa

I can't see this as a huge factor. In negotiations gains in one place will be replaced somewhere else so if the employer saves money in pharmacare, the union may simply ask for more dental, or something else. Or the union may prefer to help address wages but nobody will ignore a windfall to the employer in a union negotiation.

Most unions have less than perfect plans anyway and the savings from universal pharmacare already have ten places to go.

George Victor

In an age when we hang on to public institutions like medical care by the skin of our teeth, ANY expenditure is "huge."

Sineed

Universal pharmacare is unlikely to pay for all drugs.  In my experience, private drug plans tend to be more generous in their coverage than public ones.

NorthReport

How about some scientific evidence to back that up.

Sineed wrote:

Universal pharmacare is unlikely to pay for all drugs.  In my experience, private drug plans tend to be more generous in their coverage than public ones.

KenS

"Scientific evidence" ?

Private plans mostly referrs to union negotiates and other employee benefit packages. And they are more generous.