Who Replaces Gordon Campbell?

It says that there are at least 58 people on rabble who are either rightwing infiltrators or else have really low levels of political literacy and think that Christy Clark is a leftist.

It probably got linked to on a Liberal blog or forum.  Maybe the Clark campaign is trying to build up a buzz wherever it can.

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Looks like Gregor has better political instincts than the fools who have lost at least three election in a row.

ARS released an opinion poll today about Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson:

1. Do you approve or disapprove of Gregor Robertson's performance as Mayor of Vancouver?

Approve: 43%
[b]Disapprove: 47%[/b]

2. All things considered, do you think Gregor Robertson deserves re-election as Mayor of Vancouver in 2011?

Yes: 31%
[b]No: 40%[/b]

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/2010.11.08_Politics...

Those numbers seem to prove my point from my earlier post. If Gregor is flying low in the City of Vancouver, I'd wager that he'd even fly lower in the 'burbs and rural areas.

Centrist wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Looks like Gregor has better political instincts than the fools who have lost at least three election in a row.

ARS released an opinion poll today about Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson:

1. Do you approve or disapprove of Gregor Robertson's performance as Mayor of Vancouver?

Approve: 43%
[b]Disapprove: 47%[/b]

2. All things considered, do you think Gregor Robertson deserves re-election as Mayor of Vancouver in 2011?

Yes: 31%
[b]No: 40%[/b]

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/2010.11.08_Politics...

 

Those numbers seem to prove my point from my earlier post. If Gregor is flying low in the City of Vancouver, I'd wager that he'd even fly lower in the 'burbs and rural areas.

 

 

Through every day spin, spin, spin there is a season to spin, spin, spin.  You seem to have forgot this part of the article. People don't trust any of our politicians is the real message but they seem to trust him more than the others. The question at this stage of the game seems to be would you prefer politician A B C or perfection.  I always choose perfect as my first choice.

Quote:

Robertson has one of the highest approval ratings among Canadian politicians, with 43 per cent approving of his performance and 47 per cent disapproving of it.

That may not sound like a ringing endorsement, but Mario Canseco, vice-president of communications for Angus Reid Public Opinion, said it's an astonishingly high approval rating, especially compared with the ratings of other current politicians.

"This is great news for an incumbent," he said. "What's fascinating is that Robertson has such a high approval rating. Prime Minister Stephen Harper is at 30 per cent. Premier Gordon Campbell was at between nine and 12 per cent before he resigned. The NDP's Carole James is at 25 per cent.

"It is rare for someone in Canada to be over 40 per cent, so having someone at 43 per cent is something of a phenomenon."

Fidel wrote:

What about Larry Fine or Moe Howard? What are they doing nowadays?

Someone from Ontario comparing Vancouver's progressive Mayor with the Three Stooges.  I just don't understand you somedays Fidel.

So you think that Robertson is popular enough to lead either party.  Interesting idea although I don't see why a former NDP MLA would join the Libs instead of replacing Campbell as the new NDP Premier.  Fascinating thing this board.  I throw out the name of one of the most moderate centrist NDP politicians in the province and I get attacked and he gets called a stooge and closet liberal. 

Some days it sure seems like people respond to what they think your views are not anything you are actually posting.

Fidel wrote:

NDPers are different in this respect. Our people aren't given cushy jobs in corporate board appointments and banks, like the other two parties' leaders are given rewards by the corporatocracy for jobs well done in government.

NDPers are in it for the long haul and the good fight. If Carole James is a real social democrat, she's not about to quit on the party like Liberal or Tory party castoff, like  Gordon Campbell or Jim Prentice looking for greener pastures in the corporate sector.

Lofty sentiment and for the most part true but this is BC we are talking about.  Reality is always slightly more nuanced.

http://www.jimpattison.com/corporate/executives-directors.aspx

Doer took another government job. Not quite the same as a senate appointment to lobby for corporations and banks and organizing old line party fund raisers on the taxpayer's dime. It's not the same as being slotted into a corporate board of directors job based in the US or anything. He's not been hired by the fat-cats to help them avoid paying taxes they legally owe to Feds.

Boy could we have fun listing all of the old line party hacks who've done well after leaving politics early. They're in, they're out, it's real slick being a corporate stooge in government and out of government when they are members of the clique in this Northern Puerto Rico.

What? The way centrist has been selling it, it couldn't posssibley have been...

Yes, I heard this last night, as they are not doing 1 membership 1 vote. They are using the 100 point system, which does not favour Watts, Falcon or De Jong.

Baldry says Coleman now has the best shot. looking at end of February or into March for new leader.

So really bottom line is,  Gordo resigned without really resigning for several months. Apparently, he will also do the budget and Throne Speech.

ETA: Upon further reflection, if it has been long known in the inner circles that this was how the BC Liberals were going to conduct their leadership election, it would explain why the PR call out to have the BCNDP change leaders occured in order to level the playing field. Just as it would be if no Diane Watts has been long known, and thus that would also explain Christie Clark's name being floated...which of course it is not now, given her poor public reception.

Gordo has been asked to move on immediately. He's like the plague to the BC Liberals.

And probably the most popular politician in Canada, the Mayor of Surrey has just given the finger to the BC Liberals concerning them wanting her to lead them. I still think perhaps someone from the NDP should approach Ms Watts to see if at some point she might be interested in the NDP leadership if and when it becomes available.

Each riding association gets 100 points, so for example, if there is 60 votes for Coleman, 30 for de Jong, and 10 for Falcon, then Coleman gets 60 points towards the entire total votes, de Jong gets 30, and Falcon gets 10. There are no instant membership votes allowed.

Seeing as how Falcon and de Jong are in urban ridings and would have had the ability to sign up more instant members, as with Watts, than what are available in rural ridings, their odds of success would have been greater. And as Watts is not well known outside of the GVA, except in political junkie circles, her odds of winning were none, and so too are Falcon's and De Jong's as they have no support outside of their ridings.

BTW: The 100 point system is the same system the Ontario PCs and the federal CPC use for leadership contests.

Sorry kropotkin that I did not explain it fully enough, as I too would have asked the same questions as you had I not heard Baldry explaining how it would work.

There is not going to be a delegated convention, for 1 vote per person member, each riding gets 100 votes, and the 100 votes equals 100 points. Whether or not this process is going to be long distance or at a "convention"  is apparently not known, as they believe it will take more than 1 ballot.

Interestingly, to me at least, Dianne Watts stated in the interview where she stated most definitely she would not be running, almost word for word what Carole James has stated,  which was that there needs to be more decorum and accountibility with the government and its actions.

Don't know about that, as she made some other interesting comments regarding the future status of cities, that I am still thinking about in relation to downloading from federal government programs. It could well be she knows things that are in the works, so to speak, that we the people do not know.

At any rate the BCNDP had better not be shooting themselves in the foot, by levelling the playing field as some are agitating they should, and given that 1 of them is a former BC Liberal, it is highly suspect.

She did not electe Moe to that position, he was elected by others and she now has to do what she can to work with the slice of pie she now has.

She can be a strong leader if  others stood with her and openly helped her to reject those who think they have all the power. If you walk away and leave her standing there with them in control by being the only voices, what the hell do you expect?

Moreover, you put a new leader in and Moe is still the President.

question was answered upthread.

(about the voting system)

remind wrote:

She did not electe Moe to that position, he was elected by others and she now has to do what she can to work with the slice of pie she now has.

 

She can be a strong leader if  others stood with her and openly helped her to reject those who think they have all the power. If you walk away and leave her standing there with them in control by being the only voices, what the hell do you expect?

 

Moreover, you put a new leader in and Moe is still the President.

Carole James is facing the test that every Leader faces.

She is a sitting member of the Party Exec. She has an Executive vote, and she has influence beyond that single vote.

Remind, you are engaging the victim mentality with comments like: "She can be a strong leader if  others stood with her and openly helped her to reject those who think they have all the power. If you walk away and leave her standing there with them in control by being the only voices, what the hell do you expect?"

Who is "them". As a working member, I expect that Carole James is working for the greater good of the Party and that she has a handle on "them". "Them" is her leadership team and it's her job to manage it. My job is to raise money and get out the vote.

I am pretty sure that they are not related.

Christy Clark, has dipped her toe into the "possible" leadership run yesterday, by sticking up for Gordo in the Bennett dispute, she lost whatever chance she had though to win Premiership, as leader, if she won the race.

Here is some unsettling news from a B.C. newspaper:

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The B.C. Conservatives are growing at a rate that suggests a significant electoral breakthrough in 2013, party members heard Saturday in Kelowna.

Membership is now at 1,200 province-wide, five times what it was last year, Delta South Conservative MP John Cummins said.

"There is certainly room in B.C. for another party to take government," said Cummins, who addressed party supporters at the Parkinson Rec Centre in the morning before going on to Kamloops in the afternoon.

The provincial Conservatives offer a "moderate, middle-of-the-road" alternative to centre-right voters upset with the governing Liberal party, Cummins said.

"There's a lot of discontent out there with the Liberals. People who've supported the Liberals in the past, but who are now just disgusted by what's going on with the government, are going to come our way and help to grow our party."

A Mustel Group poll released Friday showed the NDP had 42 per cent voter support, the Liberals at 37 per cent, the Greens at 10 per cent, and the Conservatives at nine per cent.

... "The extremist element, if you want to refer to it that way, has sort of moved on to the new political party formed by (anti-HST campaigner) Chris Delaney," Cummins said, referring to the nascent B.C. First Party.

More good news today - yet another potential candidate for the BC Liberal leadership who might have had the potential to be a formidable leader - Blair Lekstrom - has announced he won't run.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/lekstrom-o...

And they're off...

Stilwell kicks off B.C. Liberal leadership race

Quote:

Stilwell told Premier Gordon Campbell over the weekend she is resigning from her position as minister of regional economic and skills development to focus on the leadership race.

"I may be relatively new and relatively less experienced in politics, [but] it also means I'm less rehearsed, I've got less baggage, I've got less debt," said Stilwell.

Stilwell says she personally supports the HST, but she would try to get the HST referendum moved up to an earlier date and would abide by the results of the province-wide vote.

Stilwell is trained as radiologist and nuclear medicine physician. She has worked at BC Women's Hospital for almost a decade, according to her website, and was head of nuclear medicine at St. Paul's Hospital, Surrey Memorial Hospital, and the Abbottsford Regional Hospital and Cancer Clinic before becoming an MLA in 2009.

As Stock noted above, Blair Lekstrom has ruled himself out as a candidate, and according to this article Carole Taylor has declined to run as well. Ian Tostenson, head of the Restaurant and Food Services Association, is reported to be mulling a bid.

This is interesting. I don't think Dr. Stilwell was one anyone's list as a leadership contender.

Based upon reports yesterday/today from Global BCTV, PublicEyeOnline and now other online sources it appears likely that former cabinet minister and current CKNW radio host Christy Clark will actually jump into the ring early next week.

Christy Clark is in her early/mid 40's and has government/cabinet experience and is also considered an "outsider". She has the afternoon CKNW radio gig, which is the highest rated radio station in Metro Vancouver - so has continued exposure. Her husband is Mark Marrison, a local Martinite federal Lib.

To me, Christy Clark comes across as too energetic, too brash, and she was too confrontational with the BCTF when she was education minister. She's certainly a couple of notches below a Dianne Watts/Carole Taylor.

Caveat - Until she makes an announcement it's still only rumour. But she is very ambitious.

Here's an ARS poll, from late last year, placing her up against Dianne Watts, Carole James, (and a whole slew of other Libs and New Democrats) as to whom would make best Premier:

[img]http://www.citycaucus.com/images/angus-reid-poll-premier.jpg[/img]