Thanks for proving my point. In complete good faith- as one of the only babblers to actually, you know, see the posters in situ- I posted about my actual experiences. I am not the only one who saw them as mocking and funny.Nobody here is taking the position that those not offended by the posters really were offended and are lying to us. What we have done is put forward the view that a significant portion of our base would be offended by them. I get that some people found them funny and lighthearted; what I don't get is how some people having that experience is supposed to invalidate the experiences and interpretations of others.
Not by a long shot. I don't and can't speak for other babblers. Your attempt to link them and me in a thread I didn't post in is rhetorically childish, but typical based on my 6 years on babble.I literally have no idea what you are talking about here. To whom am I linking you? You chose to stand behind remind's insulting treatment of me and throw in some of your own; this is consistent with your behaviour in every other thread in which the three of us interact. How is my observation that this is what you are doing "childish"?
I provided my best guess as to what they were.And I disagreed with (a) your guess and (b) the idea that any one interpretation of the posters can invalidate how they are seen by others. What the posters are inheres in the subjective experience of their viewers not in the intentions behind their creators. As I said upthread, I am convinced that the posters were an honest mistake by Horwath's cadre who are individuals I firmly believe are feminists.
But I think this new narrative that the posters were never intended for public consumption at all strains credulity. You don't put up posters in your head office and in the public halls of your provincial council meeting if they're some kind of in-joke. These are places frequented by media and interested members of the public. I might disagree with the current leadership crew but even I wouldn't suggest that they were such amateurs that they were prominently displaying materials to the media that they had actually produced as an inside joke.
I don't know how many times I have to say that they were not the centre of anything at Council.And I don't know how many times those disagreeing with you have said, "we never said they were; stop putting words in our mouths." This is the kind of strawman argumentation that makes me wonder why I even respond to you.
Instead what there was 4 lonely little posters sitting on easel thingies. That's it.It's nice to know that the party has the time and resources to invest in producing glossy, expensive, enormous promotional materials each with a print run of 1.
I have no idea what you are going on about, because you are now just making things up and inferring comments made to others as being directed at you. You and others clearly chastized Sunday Hat and remind for not understanding why the posters WERE sexist, not why you and others might THINK they are sexist. Big difference between the two. One is pompous, arrogant and sexist, the other is an actual discussion.
And your claim I am putting words in anyone's mouth is disingenous to steal Cueballs word. These entire three threads have been about how these posters symbolized a dramatic shift to the right, how this was the new NDP message, how this was how the NDP was going to frame the next election, how the NDP was now in favour of right wing slash and burn economics, how the NDP was turning its back on the legacy of Tommy Douglas and on and on and on. None of which is true. If it was the posters would have played a promenient role, been referenced in speeches, playing on the big screens and so on. It didn't happen. All that happened is that at a provincial council meeting a few posters were set on easel thingies that a bunch of people found amusing.
How expensive would these posters be? Based on experience a few hundred bucks at MOST. Probably far less. The photos would have been part of a larger shoot, the printing is minimal these days and again only 4 or 5 posters were made. The most expensive component was probably dragging them up the escalator. So please knock it off with the moving goalposts and just making up more stuff to rationalize an over the top, unfactual pile on.