The second amendment to the United States Constitution is arguably the most contested US right. It states that people have "the right to keep and bear arms." It does not however allow for an individuals right to not bear arms.
War Resisters
Fri, 2010-12-10 10:11
#1
Black Hat Media
War Resisters
Sun, 2010-01-17 01:44
#2
Army Deserter Who Fled to Canada Freed from US Prison
http://www.canada.com/life/Army+deserter+fled+Canada+freed+from+prison/2...
"I support the troops, but I don't support the war. I don't think being over there in Iraq or Afghanistan is helping"
Fri, 2010-04-02 02:07
#3
GI's Tortured and Abused
http://mostlywater.org/node/86386
"They would then start kicking our ankles to spread wider and further from the wall until eventually we'd fall. Then kicking to the body would follow. I'd often watch naked, crying men and boys crawl in front of my cell to get back to their cells..."
Thu, 2010-12-09 20:17
#4
Starbird
Dear All,
Two comments:
(1) I notice that the people who protest warfighting generally are the ones who don't believe in the Country anyway. I'll temper that controversial statement by adding that I do believe in the Country, I disagree with our current policy regarding Afghanistan, and I support our troops in their mission. If that gets me banned, then, what the hell, I've been punched in the face before. I tell the truth and shame the devil of Pacifism that insists there is no war worth fighting.
(2) A soldier who joins a Country's Military is making a commitment to fight in a war. That's the point of having a Military. Anyone who joins expecting to "sneak by," get a career, world travel, and a pension without fighting a war, is not really a soldier in the first place. So, in a doubtful war, the true blue soldier does hir (his or her) duty to the best of hir ability, in the spirit of humanistic combat derived from the Sixth Commandment. But, sneaking off to another Country? Dante condemned traitors to their Country to Circle Nine, Region Two of his Inferno. Look at it this way: If you become a Firefighter, do you have the right to refuse to put out the fire in a crack-house? Or, the house of a child molester?
Yours,
"Starbird"
Thu, 2010-12-09 21:10
#5
Cueball
Really?! So if I get into a business contract with some people who I then discover are engaging in immoral and illegal activities (say I find out that my business is laundering money for the Mafia) which they then require me to aid abet, in your view I have to follow through with the contracted service, even though I have since learned that I am being asked to participate in immoral and illegal activities?
Moreover, you think it is morally repugnant of me to disengage from these activities, or even flee these people, And instead you think it would be honourable and right to accept the call from the Don, go to the place he designates that I go to, and then let them met out whatever punishment the mafia decides is warranted for my betraying their illegal and immoral cause?
Thu, 2010-12-09 21:38
#6
Dante condemned traitors to their Country to Circle Nine, Region Two of his Inferno. Look at it this way: If you become a Firefighter, do you have the right to refuse to put out the fire in a crack-house? Or, the house of a child molester?
Leave it to a 14th century Christian to place Mohammed at the lowest depths of hell.
If some warmongering automaton in uniform ordered you to to take a flying leap off a 300 foot cliff, would you follow that order?
Fri, 2010-12-10 09:34
#7
Starbird
Really?! So if I get into a business contract with some people who I then discover are engaging in immoral and illegal activities (say I find out that my business is laundering money for the Mafia) which they then require me to aid abet, in your view I have to follow through with the contracted service, even though I have since learned that I am being asked to participate in immoral and illegal activities?
Moreover, you think it is morally repugnant of me to disengage from these activities, or even flee these people, And instead you think it would be honourable and right to accept the call from the Don, go to the place he designates that I go to, and then let them met out whatever punishment the mafia decides is warranted for my betraying their illegal and immoral cause?
Dear Cueball,
Your comparison is flawed. The Canadian Military is not the Italian Mafia. One who joins the Italian Mafia in foreknowledge of its nature is already violating morality. So, to be a fair comparison, we must consider one who joins an organisation that turns out to be the Italian Mafia, in which case said individual got more than shay (she or he) bargained for. That means that organisation recruited under a false flag, which negates the contract. The Canadian Military does not advertise under a false flag. Anyone who willingly enlists in it knows the purpose of the Military is to wage wars in one capacity or another, whether those wars are called "wars" or "peacekeeping,"
Yours,
"Starbird"
Fri, 2010-12-10 09:41
#8
Starbird
Dante condemned traitors to their Country to Circle Nine, Region Two of his Inferno. Look at it this way: If you become a Firefighter, do you have the right to refuse to put out the fire in a crack-house? Or, the house of a child molester?Leave it to a 14th century Christian to place Mohammed at the lowest depths of hell.
If some warmongering automaton in uniform ordered you to to take a flying leap off a 300 foot cliff, would you follow that order?
Dear Fidel,
If the One (what the 15th Century great, Nicolaus of Cusa, later Cardinal Cusa, used to refer to "God") "ordered me," so to speak, through His gift of Reason-Agape in the context of my knowledge of History, to take a flying leap off a 300 foot cliff, and I didn't think I was deluded about the purpose to be achieved by such an act, yes, I would follow that "order." I would make sure that no one was on the ground beneath me, however, first, lest I commit murder.
(Note, however, that if I heard a voice in my head claiming to be the One, I would check myself into Sunnyvale Asylum posthaste.)
As to "warmongering automatons," I can't easily imagine myself being in that situation. I would need to conceive of a specific path by which I found myself in that situation of being so ordered. The very fact I would know that my superior officer is a "warmongering automaton" indicates that my contract with them is void anyway.
Yours,
"Starbird"
Fri, 2010-12-10 09:57
#9
If that gets me banned, then, what the hell, I've been punched in the face before.
You appear to have had a spate of rotten luck. Being dropped on the head is bad enough for most people.
Fri, 2010-12-10 10:10
#10
Maysie
Um, why is this thread in this forum?
Moving to international news and politics.
And Starbird is banned for behaviour elsewhere. I hadn't seen these lovely contributions.