U.S. diplomats concocted lie that Michael Moore's "Sicko" was banned in Cuba

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U.S. diplomats concocted lie that Michael Moore's "Sicko" was banned in Cuba

I love this story...

Unionist

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/18/wikileaks-us-diplomats-story... cables: Michael Moore film Sicko was 'not banned' in Cuba[/url]

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American diplomats made up a story that Cuba banned Michael Moore's 2007 documentary, Sicko, in an attempt to discredit the film which painted an unflattering picture of the US healthcare system, the film-maker said today.

A confidential US embassy cable released by WikiLeaks claimed that Castro's government banned the Oscar-nominated film because it painted such a "mythically" favourable picture of Cuba's healthcare system that the authorities feared it could lead to a "popular backlash".

But Moore said that far from being supressed by Havana, the film – which attempted to discredit the US healthcare system by highlighting what it claimed was the excellence of the Cuban system – was shown on national television.

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I was happy to see Michael Moore offer $20k toward's JA's bail.

abnormal

And based on Michael Moore's history, we all know he'd never lie about anything, especially about one of his movies.  [IMG]http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae305/shiftless2/sarcasm.gif[/IMG]

Unionist

How are your mutual funds doing?

 

Cueball Cueball's picture

Damn! And I thought the red part was going to go to the link with actual goods on what looks like more "fact free" slander.

Fidel

I think that propagandists on the right realize that the left and Cubans would know it's a lie. But the bigoted right wing support base would likely believe any offhand disinformation as true as well as many comprising the soft liberal middle who might not otherwise question the propaganda. All in all it adds up to very many people who are not able to discern between the truth and right wing propaganda. All in all it's cheap and effective propaganda for the right and especially when 90 some-odd percent of the broadcast and paper news media in that country are owned by the billionaire oligarchy. They are safe to say anything and especially when the majority of information sources are under their control and influence.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

The Straussian ideology, shared by Herr Harper and many of his other Conservative stormtroopers, justifies lying in politics as a matter of course. The Conservative supporters I know seem to instinctively understand the necessity of lying and feign ignorance about it when it suits 'em. The better the conservative, the more skilled the liar.

abnormal

Yeah, we all know.  Cuba's [url=http://therealcuba.com/kubaa463.jpg]wonderful[/url] and Michael Moore wouldn't lie about [url=http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/3/150518.shtml]anyt... (unless it suited him).

 

So can someone tell me why his story is any more believable than the official one?

Unionist

Yeah, abnormal, even though the [url=http://www.voanews.com/english/news/americas/Cuba-US-Embargo-Tougher-Und... of the Free World Obama[/url] bans anything or anyone going to Cuba, we Canadians are still allowed; not sure if you were aware of that. So come up to Canada sometime and we can arrange an economical flight for you, and you can see for yourself the reality there, instead of simply taking the word of those whose anuses are stuffed with U.S. dollars and who wouldn't know the truth if it hit them like an IED.

Ummm, I assume you're still slumming here, which is why I'm addressing you. If not, hope you read this on your next charity tour.

Fidel

If he prefers being lied to on a constant basis, it's his choice. It's all about choices.

Cueball Cueball's picture

abnormal wrote:

Yeah, we all know.  Cuba's [url=http://therealcuba.com/kubaa463.jpg]wonderful[/url] and Michael Moore wouldn't lie about [url=http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/3/150518.shtml]anyt... (unless it suited him).

 

So can someone tell me why his story is any more believable than the official one?

That is a funny article.  Your writer selectively takes the phrase that Moore "won't own any stocK" (referring to Halliburton) and then lies by suggesting that he means any and all stock, when he is specifically talking about Halliburton. Halliburton didn't break water as chief war profiteer until after the "war on terror" began, after he published Stupid White Men, where the original quote is taken from. And low and behold, what does Moore do? He sells his Haliburton stock.

The writer is so desperate to muckrake he even exposes his chronological dyslexia by saying that Moorw "repeated this claim in 1997"... I guess Moore went back in time to "repeat" the claim that he "did not own any stock". It may very well be true that in 1997 Moore did not own any stock, your writer mix and matches facts from different periods so its hard to discern what the chronology of all this is.

At some point his foundation owned Halliburton shares, at some point he sold them.

And of course, Michal Moore does not own any stock. A non-profit foundation that he administers does, but that is just a technicality, I agree.

contrarianna

abnormal wrote:

Yeah, we all know.  Cuba's [url=http://therealcuba.com/kubaa463.jpg]wonderful[/url] and Michael Moore wouldn't lie about [url=http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/3/150518.shtml]anyt... (unless it suited him).

 

So can someone tell me why his story is any more believable than the official one?

Now, here's why I despair of people ever waking up sufficiently to govern themselves.

Think about it for five seconds.
For many, including much of the media, it is like abnormal's (all too normalized) "he said, she said"
finally boiling down to who you like/dislike the most.

One does not have to like Michael Moore, or believe everything he says (I certainly don't) to look at this thing with a modicum of rationality.
Moore's claim, for xxxx sake, is that the movie was broadcast on NATIONAL CUBAN TV. Hello, how hard can that be to fact check???

Never mind, the "he said" (Moore) does some of the apparently onerous work for you.
It is prefaced by this entirely justified statement:

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And not one scintilla of digging to see if Cuba had actually banned the movie! In fact, just the opposite. The right wing press started to have a field day reporting a lie (Andy Levy of Fox -- twice -- Reason Magazine, Spectator and Hot Air, plus a slew of blogs). Sadly, even BoingBoing and my friends at the Nation wrote about it without skepticism. So here you have WikiLeaks, who have put themselves on the line to find and release these cables to the press -- and traditional journalists are once again just too lazy to lift a finger, point and click their mouse to log into Nexis or search via Google, and look to see if Cuba really did "ban the film." Had just ONE reporter done that, here's they would have found:

[followed by documentary evidence including cached Cuban articles on the movie]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/viva-wikileaks

For an addendum to this we have the Guardian itself.
To it's credit, it published the article Unionist first posted, and yet the original false, hook, line and sinker story still stands with only this "correction" added at the bottom

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* On his website today Michael Moore has said that Cuba did not ban his documentary, Sicko

This, of course, is NOT a "correction," but another "he said, she said" cover despite the undeniable, easily demonstrable factually false original story.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/17/wikileaks-cuba-banned-sicko

Any follower of Glenn Greenwald will know that the Guardian's cover-your-ass slight of hand is not unique and neither is my complaint regarding the media's various "guardian's of truth", in Greenwald's case, it's Time magazine and different lies:

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Friday, Dec 10, 2010 09:43 ET
The media's authoritarianism and WikiLeaks
By Glenn Greenwald

(updated below - Update II - Update III)

After I highlighted the multiple factual inaccuracies in Time's WikiLeaks article yesterday (see Update V) -- and then had an email exchange with its author, Michael Lindenberger -- the magazine has now appended to the article what it is calling a "correction."  In reality, the "correction" is nothing of the sort; it is instead a monument to the corrupted premise at the heart of American journalism....

In other words, the most Time is willing to do -- when forced by public complaints -- is note that "some" people (i.e., Assange) "dispute" the Government's accusatory claims of "indiscriminate" document dumping, ones uncritically amplified by Time and countless other media outlets.  The most they're willing to do now is convert it into a "they-said/he-said" dispute.  But what they won't do -- under any circumstances -- is state clearly that the Government's accusations are false, even where, as here, they unquestionably are....


http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/10/wikileaks_m...

Unionist

Thanks, contrarianna, for putting this together. My character flaw (or one of them, anyway) is that when I see sophistry like #8, I just resort to nasty sarcasm, which is a poor substitute for research.

 

contrarianna

Since the time I posted, the Guardian seems to have pulled its original "Cuba banned Sicko" page (no connection between the two, of course,  but a tiny victory for truth--or embarrassment--nonetheless).

Fidel

[url=http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/viva-wikileaks]Viva WikiLeaks![/url]

Michael Moore wrote:
We also know from another secret U.S. document that "the disenchantment of the masses [in Cuba] has spread through all the provinces," and that "all of Oriente Province is seething with hate" for the Castro regime. There's a huge active underground rebellion, and "workers there readily give all the support they can," with everyone involved in "subtle sabotage" against the government. Morale is terrible throughout all the branches of the armed forces, and in the event of war the army "will not fight." Wow -- this cable is hot! 

Of course, this secret U.S. cable is from March 31, 1961, three weeks before Cuba kicked our asses at the Bay of Pigs.

The U.S. government has been passing around these "secret" documents to itself for the past fifty years, explaining in painstaking detail how horrible things are in Cuba and how Cubans are quietly aching for us to come back and take over. I don't know why we write these cables, I guess it just makes us feel better about ourselves. (Anyone curious can find an entire museum of U.S. wish fulfillment cables on the website of the National Security Archive.)

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

WikiLeaks cables: US intervened in Michael Moore NZ screening

 

Embassy angered by 'potential fiasco' of cabinet minister hosting a showing of Fahrenheit 9/11

 

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Whatever else WikiLeaks may have revealed, one fact has been repeatedly confirmed: the US government under George Bush really loathed the documentary filmmaker Michael Moore.

After a leaked cable from US diplomats in Havana falsely claimed Cuba had banned Moore's documentary Sicko - when in fact it was shown on state television - another cable reveals US officials flying into a panic after hearing a rumour that a New Zealand cabinet minister was hosting a screening of Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11.

Labelling the event a "potential fiasco", the classified cable from the US embassy in Wellington in 2003 reads like a failed plotline for an episode of In the Loop, breathlessly reporting a series of calls to the New Zealand prime minister's office and to the minister involved, Marian Hobbs.

Michael Moore, appearing on the Rachel Maddow Show on Tuesday night, said the New Zealand cable uncovered by WikiLeaks showed the unsettling reach of US influence. "If they were micromanaging me that much, if they were that concerned about the truth in Fahrenheit 9/11 that they have to go after a screening in a place I don't even really know where it is - I know it's way too long to sit in coach for me - I want to know. Because I think it speaks to a larger issue: if they have the time for that, what else are these guys up to?"