Winnipeg SCUM Cops take FN Man on a Starlght Cruise

milo204 wrote:

The man point about this recent case involving Maud to me is that along with the many real complaints, there are many faked and over exaggerated ones as well (as demonstrated by the number of people filing complaints and willing to follow through on them), and that pretty much ensures the status quo continues since this situation provides exactly the perspective and cover cops want: i.e. most claims are bogus, the real ones are dealt with promptly and effectively....which we all know is bullshit.

As I said, it's probably the case that the vast majority of complaints filed against police are bogus. The problem is that people who are abused by the police generally don't have the confidence to file formal complaints.

milo204 wrote:

the problem is police are around to defend the state and it's institutions first, the rich people and their property second, and the rest of us come in a distant third or worse.  The cops are not meant to be democratic anymore than someone working for any large powerful institution.  They are rule enforcers, period.

The only way to make the cops impact less severe is to change the rules they enforce and the culture they enforce them in, and having citizen oversight of their actions to keep them in line.

The only way it seems to completely get rid of police abuse is to get rid of the state apparatus and institutions that give them the power they need to abuse people.

The man point about this recent case involving Maud to me is that along with the many real complaints, there are many faked and over exaggerated ones as well (as demonstrated by the number of people filing complaints and willing to follow through on them), and that pretty much ensures the status quo continues since this situation provides exactly the perspective and cover cops want: i.e. most claims are bogus, the real ones are dealt with promptly and effectively....which we all know is bullshit.

Since asses are in Vogue, can we do something about this one?  Milo, you do some good things here but tear it all apart with this.  I've bolded what I object to.  Like Stargazer asked, the onus is on you to substantiate your claim.

It really must be a lunar moon.  I don't know whether to "flag as offensive" or "I give up"... 

Especdially at this time of year for this white, formerly christian dude.  You're a disgrace to my race, no christian, just pitchin your junk.   I'll listen to a little funk you little punk.  You'll celebrate your achievement versus my grievance and call it meritocracy versus equality.  You'll carry on in your small minded world unaware of the politics of your actions.  You'll refuse to see the factions bringing light to truth.  You act so loose.  I'm hunting for moose.  What the fuck you gonna do about that? 

Throw some more thinly veiled diatribes around?  That won't go down, clown.  Wake the fuck up and do what is right.  Y'all seem to have some judeo-christian values?  What then are you all about?  Your clout?  Your intelligence amazes me and fazes me at the same time.   How can you be so sublime?  It's a crime. 

Defend the PoPo all you want, I ain't a GoGo dancer.  I'll call them SCUM until they become what they were meant to be.  Upon Stargazer's recommendations.  I ain't no expert but some of this commentary is fucked up.  Pardon my language.

Solidarity.

RevolutionPlease

one line you don't like and i'm an ass/scum, and all that other stuff too?  c'mon, whose being disrespectful here?

what i'm saying is that when someone lies and makes an easily refuted claim like Maud did, not only does it trivialize the people who actually DID have to experience that, but it makes it that much harder for the next person who does to come out as well (making it easier for the cops to hurt people).  The fact some people lie about it, for those reasons, is wrong and i think should be denounced.  If you think that's defending the police, i think you're way off.

I think it's a dumb assertion milo, and one you not only can't back up, but one in which you continue to ply.

Either throw up the stats that show that most complaints are bogus or apologize for your sloppy analysis.

No wonder people get pissed. You types play fast and loose with the solidarity (and the facts).

Can it be seen as pro police? Absolutely, and it has as much right to stand unchallenged as that horrible labour thread where everyone dumped on workers for supposedly being lazy and taking days off cause they are lazy workers. Meaning none.

Your little rap afterwards, while showing how manly you are for not backing down on your erroneous and pro-police assertion, also makes you look a bit like a fool caught with his pants down. The rappers want their lyrics back for gross abuse of context.

Thanks.

RevolutionPlease wrote:

 I'll call them SCUM until they become what they were meant to be.

So your way to build bridges, educate and approach community policing is to call police scum repeatedly until they change?

Good idea.

P4, there is room for both anger (expressed and open anger) and discussion. Anger is a justified response to many who feel paralysed and hopeless to stop these incidents from occurring. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being angry, and expressing anger. It's called being human and while you may not think it is civil, many things in life do not call for civility.

It is a sad state of affairs when threads are consistently hijacked because people are expressing justifiable anger. Scum is and can be an accurate adverb for the institution known as the police. Here is a copy of the Charter. Perhaps if you care to you can justify the blatant abuse of the Charter, by the police. But I think you are a decent person, and would not deny that the police are not our friends.

http://www.efc.ca/pages/law/charter/charter.text.html

Pay special attention to the Legal Rights section, and notice how many of ours are being breached every single day. In particular by agents of the state who are paid to pepper spray, taser, kettle and otherwise abuse regular citizens, who are practising their Charter rights. I haven't even touched on racial profiling and racism within the police. The latter mainly because you are barred from questioning the police on racial discrimination.

Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.

I'm not referring to violence. See how easy you did the leap though Bacchus, from justified anger straight into violence. I know I sometimes find I've done something similar, then I really need to examine why that is so. You'll notice though, no where did I or anyone else in this thread advocate violence. Not once. Something for you to think about.

Why does anger immediately freak people out and become immediately associated with violence, especially when that anger comes from women, POC, 'Nish people...?

Anger from the Others scares people.

And dont get me wrong, I mean it in the context of the police(or those controlling them) waiting for their 'excuse' to pounce. The G20 is an apt example since the people they chose to pounce on were not the same as those torching and smashing the previous day

oops double post

Since you failed to understand my entire last few posts, I doubt a duel with rap is going to prove much of anything.

Nobody believes its always police Provocateurs everytime Aristotle

I dont disagree but I also think that they (the police) laid out the bait and they (the activists, black bloc etc) took it most eagerly.

Idiots on both sides

They took the bait by burning the cop car. And really it was only bait in that they didnt guard it like anyone wouldnt stand guard over their car all the time.  There were no plnated activists by cops at the WTO in Seattle yet look what happened.

The activists are going to do whatever they are going to do, there's no point pretending "cops" have any control over them.

Bacchus wrote:

They took the bait by burning the cop car. And really it was only bait in that they didnt guard it like anyone wouldnt stand guard over their car all the time.  There were no plnated activists by cops at the WTO in Seattle yet look what happened.

That conference was shut down, the leaders were not prepared for the public backlash.

Bacchus wrote:

The activists are going to do whatever they are going to do, there's no point pretending "cops" have any control over them.

Wrong. The cops have control. They're the ones who make the decision about arresting protestors, and they had the choice to stop the vandalism or let it go on.

And yes, some activists are idiots and will do stupid things. Guess what? Policing brings you into contact with idiots on an almost daily basis, and it is the responsibility of the police to remain professional and reasonable no matter what the provocation.

Bacchus wrote:

...through which the cops are but one weapon in their armory.

Historically, the Freemasons have been but yet another weapon, or perhaps they have actually been orderers up the weapons themselves.

Mason conspiracies in 2010?

When will people learn that the Masons are generally too inebriated to pull of world-controlling feats of evil these days?

remind wrote:

Historically, the Freemasons have been but yet another weapon, or perhaps they have actually been orderers up the weapons themselves.

I have no idea what this means, but masons are apparently scary people.

This guy talks about the threat of the Freemasons quite a lot.

Quote:

He goes deeper into today's headlines than anyone else dares to go.

He de-programs the brainwashed simply by uncovering the truth.

Get a whole new perspective to what's happening in the world every Saturday night with the Spaceman on A View From Space.

Papal Bull wrote:

 When will people learn that the Masons are generally too inebriated to pull of world-controlling feats of evil these days?

When will people learn that  that phoney inebriated persona is a load of nonsense?

sknguy II wrote:

 

Honestly though, these cruises have and do occur. I just can't understand how someone who is capable of perpetrating such an act can sleep at night. The day I do something like that is the day I stop being a cop. Common sense shouldn't need "strict new rules" to enforce or "bold new approaches" to policing. Policing should simply be about returing to a mandate of sanity and normalizing relationships.

I'm amazed at the stupidity of cops [and others] sometimes when it comes to doing stupid things in public. You KNOW everyone has a cell phone and they have cameras on them.  When I was training people for the G20 summit I told them every day. Anything you do WILL be caught on camera. Whatever you do make sure you are being professional at all times, following the rules and don't fuck around. If you are detaining someone on the ground and he's being an asshole don't give him a shot because you can- it WILL be caught on tape and you're in the wrong, period.

Yet we see evidence of it everywhere. I'm very glad for the cameras but you would think sooner or later people would realize they will be on youtube within minutes.

I mean camera phones and to a lesser extent cameras in police stations and police cars.