WikiLeaks Accusations - Part Deux

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contrarianna

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Manning's commander can also order him to be held in military confinement until the court marital hearing (the same as denying bail).

That's were Manning is at right now in the system. He's in jail (bail denied) awaiting trial.

Translation: "We'll torture him as long as we want until we're good and ready to procede with official trappings of justice--then we'll do it some more"

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Glenn Greenwald
Thursday, Dec 23, 2010 05:24 ET
U.N. to investigate treatment of Bradley Manning
By Glenn Greenwald

....The U.S. is one of the world's most prolific practitioners of prolonged solitary confinement: unsurprising given that it enjoys the distinction of being the world's largest Prison State and the Western world's most merciless one.  As NPR noted in 2006, there are roughly 25,000 prisoners in the U.S. kept in those conditions.  But the vast, vast majority of them -- unlike Manning -- have actually been convicted of crimes.
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As is true for so much of what it does, the U.S. Government routinely condemns similar acts -- the use of prolonged solitary confinement in its most extreme forms and lengthy pretrial detention -- when used by other countries.  See, for instance....

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/

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Thanks Boom Boom.

 

Manning's POI Order Should Be Lifted Immediately, he is not a threat to himself.

 

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I've been permitted to post this from BnR:

 

On Connect with Mark Kelley CBC Newsworld:

Glenn Greenwald will be on at 8 p.m. EST to talk about Manning

 

...55 minutes from now!

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I'd have to agree with those who believe the US military is trying to break Manning both mentally and physically.

 

In case you missed the link I posted above: Bradley Manning Speaks About His Conditions

Frmrsldr

Frmrsldr wrote:

Good luck with that, as no one was ever been found guilty by a court under the Espionage Act.

What I should have said is "No one has ever been found guilty of transmitting state secrets to a foreign power or 'enemy' under the 1917 Espionage Act."

No, that's not going to work either.

The Rosenbergs were tried, found guilty and executed under the (1917) Espionage Act.

One has to be sharp to catch these things.

Does anyone else have other examples?

If Manning goes to a civil trial, the low numbers of convictions look favorable.

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The Greenwald interview lasted just over five minutes. To sum up, he says Manning is being treated so brutally because the US Military wants to communicate this message to him: "co-operate with us in bringing down JA and you will get better treatment".

 

ETA: with waterboarding and electric shocks to genitals and all the other horrors of GITMO and now this brutal treatment of yet another person not convicted (and an American citizen to boot), does the USA qualify as one of the most brutal regimes on earth?

Frmrsldr

In the abuse and, according to the standards of some countries; torture, of Bradley Manning comes from a higher authority than the military.

According to the U.S. Uniform Code of Military Justice, the military is only concerned with acts "prejudicial to the good order and conduct and the esteem or good repute of the military."

The military is only interested in Bradley Manning, not Julian Assange.

Matters of espionage and treason, etc., are concerns of the state.

If Mr. Manning is being 'softened up' by the abuse and torture to make him amenable to a plea bargain to 'get' Mr. Assange, then the government's (to its detriment) involvement/interference with Manning's treatment in a military prison is tainting the case.

Should Mr. Manning's case go before a civil trial, if the judge establishes the government's tainting the case with its involvement, the case would be thrown out of court.

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Frmrsldr wrote:
Should Mr. Manning's case go before a civil trial, if the judge establishes the government's tainting the case with its involvement, the case would be thrown out of court.

Presumably someone on Manning's side is taking notes!!!!

Frmrsldr

Boom Boom wrote:

Frmrsldr wrote:
Should Mr. Manning's case go before a civil trial, if the judge establishes the government's tainting the case with its involvement, the case would be thrown out of court.

Presumably someone on Manning's side is taking notes!!!!

Those who are interested in seeing justice done are on Mr. Manning's side. For Manning's actions are in truth ones of justice and humanity.

NDPP

Israeli and US Machinations to Be Revealed Sooner or Later?

http://www.kadaitcha.com/2010/12/23/israeli-and-us-machinations-to-be-re...

"In an Al Jazeera interview conducted in Arabic, Julian Assange has revealed that it will take WikiLeaks six months to release documents on Israel...There are 3,700 files related to Israel and the source of 2,700 files is Israel.."

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The legal basis for fastracking extradition to the US from Sweden through "temporary transfer" of someone in their custody to US costody in the States, in the case that Assange is extradited to Sweden from the UK: Video Presentation, and a second one with more detail.

pogge

[url=http://cryptome.org/0003/wikileaks-15100.htm]Wikileaks Gives $15,100 to Manning Defense[/url]

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Providence, RI, January 13, 2011 -- On Monday, WikiLeaks fulfilled its pledge to contribute toward the legal defense of accused whistleblower Bradley Manning by transferring $15,100 to the legal trust account of Manning's attorney. WikiLeaks publicly solicited donations specifically for the expenses of Manning's legal defense following his arrest in May 2010.

In light of WikiLeaks' current fiscal challenges -- due in large part to the shameful actions of Visa, MasterCard and PayPal in cutting off services to WikiLeaks at the behest of the US government -- the Bradley Manning Support Network commends WikiLeaks for their contribution at this time. "This donation from WikiLeaks is vital to our efforts to ensure Bradley receives a fair, open trial," says founder and steering committee member Mike Gogulski.

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Exclusive Interview: Julian Assange on Murdoch, Manning and the Threat from China

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/01/china-wikileaks-a...

"Yesterday, Assange's lawyers warned that if he is extradicted to America, he could face the death penalty - for embarrassing the leaders of the US government. 'They don't want the public to know thse things and  scapegoats must be found,' says Assange."

contrarianna

The hopeless hypocrisy of the Guardian on its viral Tsvangirai story:

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Glenn Greenwald
Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 06:13 ET
How propaganda poisons the mind - and our discourse

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In early December, that newspaper -- not WikiLeaks -- selected and then published the cable in question.  This fact led The Guardian -- more than a full week after they published Richardson's accusatory column -- to sheepishly add this obscured though extremely embarrassing "clarification" at the end of his column:

   "This article was amended on 11 January 2011 to clarify the fact that the 2009 cable referred to in this article was placed in the public domain by the Guardian, and not as originally implied by WikiLeaks. The photo caption was also amended to reflect this fact."

The way this "clarification" was done was bizarre.  The misleading headline still remains ("If Morgan Tsvangirai is charged with treason, WikiLeaks will have earned the ignominy of Robert Mugabe's gratitude").  So do numerous sentences attributing publication to WikiLeaks ("WikiLeaks may have committed its own collateral murder . . . .

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/12/propaganda/...

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NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

"Yesterday, Assange's lawyers warned that if he is extradicted to America, he could face the death penalty - for embarrassing the leaders of the US government. 'They don't want the public to know thse things and  scapegoats must be found,' says Assange."

 

Oh what a bunch of drama queen BS. His lawyers are just saying that because European nations don't have a death penalty and they're hoping that stops them from supporting extradition.

The claim is preposterous and is nothing but a calculated play on Europeans emotions (smart move though).

 

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Popping in to close this for length.

 

 

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