I just don't think that the NDP should go looking for battles it can't afford to fight.
Is this about the $1.95 per vote thing?
The Afghan People Will Win Part 22
Wed, 2011-01-19 16:03
#52
Wed, 2011-01-19 16:38
#53
I just don't think that the NDP should go looking for battles it can't afford to fight.Is this about the $1.95 per vote thing?
Pff! Yeah right. Made me laugh.
I think it has to do with undoing some 60 years worth of brainwashing the public during a cold war era. The NDP can't afford to divide its time and resources between that and issues that matter to Canadians in the here and now.
Anyway, I just don't think that waging war on more than one front is a good idea in terms of political logistics. Just ask Hitler about that. Oh wait you can't because he's dead a long time. Sorry bad example I'm a dumkopf.
Sorry, Unionist. We should do this in [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/nato-do-you-support-canada... appropriate thread.(The NDP&NATO)[/url]. Scuse.
Wed, 2011-01-19 16:40
#54
I agree with you that currently elected leaders of NATO countries would probably never do it [dissolve NATO] themselves.
Nor apparently would Jack Layton if he ever became one of those elected leaders.
If it came down to a vote between Jack's NATO rep and the possibility for an all-right wing NATO contingency in future, then, no, the NDP would probably not be successful in scrapping NATO.
But we can always vote to not participate in another NATO shellacking of sovereign country outside the neoliberal scheme of things. Could we not?
Woody Allen said that 80% of life is just showing up. We can't have our vote counted against the imperial maneuver if we aren't there to vote. And besides, unanimous votes look too darn good for the bastards. We should at least show up if only to embarrass hell out of the NATO. The world needs to know why a country within NATO has decided not to pariticpate in war crimes, like France chose not to in 2003. France or other member countries could be a powerful allies in bringing down the gladio gang.
But I think that forces outside of NATO would stand an even smaller chance of reforming or dissolving NATO.
A military alliance only [b]dissolves[/b] when its members leave – either one by one, or all at once. The only way for Canada to advance the cause of [b]dissolution[/b] of NATO is to leave it!
Leave it for what? The most recent example is dissolution of [url=http://www.soviethistory.org/index.php?page=subject&SubjectID=1991warsaw... pact countries[/url] Albania exited the pact in 1968. Are you suggesting that if Canada exits NATO, then NATO would eventually break up a few decades later? Was there a real cause and effect? Or did dissolution of the Warsaw pact hinge more on the outcome of a cold war?
An imperialist miltary alliance cannot be "reformed" into something benign. Leftists should call for Canada to withdraw from NATO, as an example to others, and to join anti-imperialist alliances like ALBA.
Good idea, and I think it would be a very large step in a better direction. But we might as well demand that NASA and US Military cease with plans to invade and colonize Mars. Hands off Mars! The NDP needs electing now not 50 years from now. We have a somewhat narrow base of voters in Canada who happen to be doing the voting and choosing until such time as a modern electoral system can be implemented. And now with a colder war on and propaganda machine going full tilt as usual, I just don't think that the NDP should go looking for battles it can't afford to fight. It would be prudent, as one cold war era hawk used to say.
Wed, 2011-01-19 21:46
#55
If it[NATO] was changed what would its purpose be? What would it do?Dissolve itself, like the former Warsaw pact countries did? Democratize the UNSC or make every other country in the world voting members?
NATO is a completely independent and subordinate organization to the U.N.
The only way that the UNSC could be reformed or (better still) abolished would be if the U.S.A. proposed or got behind such a motion or if a power struggle ensued between the General Assembly and the UNSC and the General Assembly won whereby the U.N. Charter was amended where the Permanent Member Security Council veto was abolished - along with the UNSC or at least its improvement.
NATO is a (illegitimate) means the U.S.A. uses to circumvent the U.N.
Wed, 2011-01-19 22:47
#56
Good post, FrmrSldr. I am wondering if the writing isn't on the wall for a US-led NATO. They've desperately sought to establish relevance for this club of armed countries since 1991. NATO almost went the way of its sibling military alliances, SEATO and CENTO, until 9/11 happened.
I think that the Americans and a few staunchly anticommunist allies still have a strong urge to remain relevant in this military alliance after all these years. And there may be more "surprise" attacks on the US or its allies in order to maintain relevance in the eyes of those who may question the validity of the foreign terrorist threat to these group of heavily armed countries led by a sort of shadow military dictatorship in Washington. And as long as it exists and goes unchallenged by democratically minded people, there will be new opportunities for NATO to "spread democracy" so to speak to various countries which will probably not even ask for it, or they will receive NATO's brand of democracy at the end of gun barrels and more blitzkriegs as the former Yugoslavia has, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
And I think the Sovs realized that the military option was madness, and that the smaller group of COMECON nations were no longer willing to hold out against the medieval sieges waged against them by transnational corporations and various trading companies loyal to free market imperialism. The tiny Latin American countries would have gone socialist if it hadn't been for the dirty wars and terrorism waged against them by a nuclear armed superpower to the North. I think the cold war is done, and only the warmongers and warfiteers desire for a return to the bad old days of nose to nose cold war. I think it's time for another tack. There will be no flanking NATO either militarily or by the economic long run. It's time for diplomacy and to challenge the NATO countries on their weakest flank, the democratic process. If anything is surely true, there will be no easy path to global democracy. The choices are becoming fewer and fewer as the environment continues to take the brunt of bad central planning and resources dwindle for the sake a globalizing economy without a purpose.
Wed, 2011-01-19 23:29
#57
Is it absolutely necessary to hijack and sabotage this series of threads, which were initiated years ago so that we could talk about the struggle of the Afghan people in at least one thread without disruption?
Especially when, as Fidel correctly points out, NDPP has opened a separate thread to discuss the future of NATO?
Thu, 2011-01-20 01:18
#58
25 Tons of Bombs Wipe Afghan Town Off Map
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/01/25-tons-of-bombs-wipes-afghan-to...
End the Occupation!
Americans Kill Afghan Tribal Leader
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/160871.html
"The bodyguards of a US Commander have shot dead a tribal leader in southern Afghanistan as Afghan civilian casualties continue to mount. The security guards fired on the old man after he threw a stone at the US Commander in Afghanistan's Helmand province.."
Long Live Afghanistan. Land of Lions. Breaker of Kingdoms. Graveyard of Empires.
Thu, 2011-01-20 02:12
#59
Is it absolutely necessary to hijack and sabotage this series of threads, which were initiated years ago so that we could talk about the struggle of the Afghan people in at least one thread without disruption?
Especially when, as Fidel correctly points out, NDPP has opened a separate thread to discuss the future of NATO?
Please accept my sincerest apology, U. Promise! Now, back to the body count. And here's a request to mix things up a little for variety's sake - start an Afghan body count on the other side of the line and keep it real. It's a good war, but how can we possibly wager proper odds on a specific year for conclusion of this senseless and utterly meaningless war on democracy if we don't know the score? L8rs!
Sat, 2011-01-22 03:05
#60
Jan 21: IEA: Interview With the Commander of Eastern Afghanistan Mahli Abdul Kabir
http://www.shahamat.info/english
"We occasionally hear reports that Taliban leaders are engaged in talks with the Americans or the Kabul regime, in such and such a country, and so on. Furthermore, the media points out specific names - that so and so among Taliban leaders is inclined to peace talks, even though you have rejected these contacts and reports...Can you discuss who might be trying to issue such reports and what might be the prime objective behind it...?"
Sat, 2011-01-22 04:53
#61
Well that settles it. I was never very inclined to take the word of right wing extremists at face value. But it looks like theyre the real deal effective oppo in Afghanistan for sure. And there will be no more helicopter taxi rides for the Taliban after this leaks out.
Sat, 2011-01-22 07:46
#62
Bin Laden Demands France Withdraw From Afghanistan
http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/bin-laden-demands-france-withd...
"Osama bin Laden demanded that France withdraw its troops from Afghanistan in exchange for the release of French hostages being held by al-Qaida affiliates, according to an audio message broadcast on an Arabic news channel Friday. 'The exit of your hostages out of the hands of our brothers depends on the exit of your troops from Afghanistan,' bin Laden said in the message broadcast by Al Jazeera.
'Your president's rejection is a result of being a hireling to America and is a green light to kill the hostages...His stand will cost you a high price on different aspects inside or outside France,' he said. The al-Qaida leader questioned why the French would consider the resistance against Nazi German troops occupying their nation in WWII to be heroic while the fight against French and other foreign troops in Afghanistan is labeled terrorism."
Sat, 2011-01-22 16:13
#63
"The exit of your hostages out of the hands of our brothers depends on the exit of your troops from Afghanistan."
Well if he is still alive, and we highly doubt it, then he's right on the mark with that message. And I'll bet he's not crazy about all those vicious rumors concerning phony peace talks and care packages air dropped for them by the glad gang either. And back and forth it goes with a dearth of western newz coverage. All we really have are the reports of Afghans themselves and whichever Pakistani and western newz journalists are allowed into the country on NATO's say so. And it looks like they want us to believe that civilian casualties in Afghanistan are in decline - and that's another terrible lie.
Sat, 2011-01-22 16:32
#64
Bergen: Bin Laden, CIA Links Hogwash
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html
must be true it's CNN
Sat, 2011-01-22 17:28
#65
This is one of those things where you cannot put it out of its misery.The story about bin Laden and the CIA -- that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden -- is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.
The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.
Bergen is a disinformation jockey for the right. The bin Ladens are well known to the Bush crime family. The evidence for CIA-bin Laden connection is overwhelming. He was definitely one of their anticommunist jihadis in 1980s Central Asia and Bosnia in the 1990s. So were some infamous "al-Qaeda" central planners and field agents, like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, al-Zawahiri brothers, Ali Mohammed etc. "al-Qa'eda" = al-CIA'da.
bin Laden was alleged to have escaped Tora Bora in a convoy headed south in 2001. A CIA field commander said that [url=http://web.archive.org/web/20060217051331/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/88... deliberately let bin Laden escape[/url] from what was a sure capture or kill by elite special ops soldiers.
French soldiers said that they [url=http://www.juancole.com/2008/11/afghan-article-says-us-bin-ladin-hunt.ht... could have captured or killed Bin Laden, but that the American commanders stopped them.[/color][/url]
And al-Zawahiri's brother led a KLA terrorist group in the 1990s. The CIA and British SAS trained and armed KLA to fight against and terrorize the Serbs and other ethnic groups according to various sources including Canada's Lewis McKenzie. Clinton's regime even rubberstamped the shipment of Iranian weapons to Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Iran's Revolutionary Guardsmen were there in 1990s Yugoslavia as well as "al-Qaeda" and mujahideen holy warriors leftover from the CIAs anticommunist jihad of the 1980s. Their stooge hashim Thaci in Kosovo is a ruthless war criminal according to Lew MacKenzie. Thaci and his Albanian mafia friends are there and trafficking in illicit drugs muled from Central Asia to the edge of Eastern Europe where the glad gang's friends distribute the drugs and profit wildly from all kinds of criminal activities including human trafficking. They are such ruthless mofos that the Russian mob doesn't want anything to do with them.
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The story from the American CIA is that yes, bin Laden was with us ... but then he went against us. The CIA refers to this as "blowback" when their foreign assets turn against them. And in this case it's a big lie.
Sat, 2011-01-22 18:40
#66
Thaci and the KLA are definitely CIA but OBL, Al-Zawahiri and the Taliban no - don't buy it and it doesn't adequately explain the present circumstances nor is it consistent with the history or ideals of Islamist resistance movements like the Taleban or AQ. I think some temporary intersections of interest, plus US generated propaganda designed to divide/ discredit the very real gains they are making against the 'Crusaders', are the problem. Somewhere someone, either OBL or Al Zawahiri addresses these allegations. The next time I feel motivated enough, I'll poke around the big jihadi sites for it. However I suspect you're quite taken with your theories, which as stated I do not share, so we'll probably just have to leave it at that. If these 'foreign assets' were truly under their control, they'd not be giving their masters the kind of humiliating defeats they most certainly are.
Mon, 2011-01-24 00:31
#67
The Taliban were the USA's proxies in Kabul from 1996 to 2001. The Talibanization of Pakistan and Afghanstan was not a natural occurrence by any means. The CIA along with their friends in Pakistan's army intelligence agency have influenced and controlled all of the CIA's right wing extremist creations since the late 1970s.
Ayman al-Zawahiri was granted US residence, a person status considered almost impossible for legitimate emigres to America to obtain. And he was no average foreigner - al-Zawahiri's brother's terrorist training camps in a US zone of Kosovo were protected by NATO all the while.
Al-Qaeda doesn't exist, and bin Laden is a myth. He was murdered according to various Pakistani sources including the former Benazir Bhutto. She named Osama bin Laden's killer, [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SCO410A.html]Omar Saeed Sheik.[/url] He's a spook for MI6 and the Gladio Gang/Murder Inc.
However I suspect you're quite taken with your theories, which as stated I do not share, so we'll probably just have to leave it at that.
You can believe the CIA and their disinformation jockeys, as well NATO's right wing terrorist assets if you want to. But I should warn you that they are all highly trained pathological liars and deal in half-truths when it suits them, and bald faced lies and deception the other 99% of the time.
I think some temporary intersections of interest, plus US generated propaganda designed to divide/ discredit the very real gains they are making against the 'Crusaders', are the problem.
Not sure what you mean by gains. Afghanistan is a failed nation state after more than 30 years worth of US meddling. Infant mortality is about the worst in the world today and left wing political forces purged since the end of dirty war and the beginning of this latest charade in Afghanistan.
And the long time US-backed military dictatorship in Pakistan controlling the Taliban rule in what must be one of the most corrupt nations on earth today next to Afghanistan and several more US-backed hellholes around the world. You must be thinking of US-backed right wing extremists making real social gains in a parallel world, or something. No, don't see it sorry.
Mon, 2011-01-24 02:33
#68
Bec.De.Corbin
Bergen: Bin Laden, CIA Links Hogwash
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html
must be true it's CNN
No, its true becouse its posted on the internet...
Mon, 2011-01-24 04:10
#69
I'm intimately familiar with all this stuff you believe. The US does not control or fund the Afghan resistance, nor the international Islamic resistance movement. Believe whatever you wish.
Mon, 2011-01-24 04:11
#70
Bergen: Bin Laden, CIA Links Hogwash
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html
must be true it's CNN
No, its true becouse its posted on the internet...
The bin Laden family probably know their way around Washington and Houston better than the Gucci Mujahiden, and better than the Taliban mullahs who travelled to the US on occasion to talk pipelines and deals with the Americans. Salem bin Laden, Osama's father, once owned shares in Houston Gulf Airport and an flying school in San Antonio, "Bin Laden Aviation." Osama "Tim Osman" bin Laden used the same offshore banks to launder KLA and Qaeda drug money as the Bush crime family and CIA used when ripping off US taxpayers to fund dirty operations. Dubya was telling some truth when he said that there was a link between Osama and Saddam, but there were links to all three criminal families in bed with one another at some point.
Yes there are some interesting sites on the internet:
http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1997/iran.htm
http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1999/fr033199.htm
Apparently they were more interested in destabilizing Bosnia and former Yugoslavia with help from CIA'da than in capturing Elvis bin Laden. And none of this slithering around with Qaeda and Islamic militants through to 1999 was even mentioned in the bipartisan 9/11 Commission cover-up.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk][color=blue]al-Qaeda does not exist:BBC[/color][/url]
al-Qaeda does not exist like the WMD in Iraq did not exist. Lies. Yes, they lied to you. Can you believe it? They lied to you! And so did your ma and pa lie about Santa and the tooth fairy. Life is cruel.
"We never made the case linking al-Qaeda to 9/11" - 2006
"We don't have a scrap of proof of the identities of any of any of the hijackers"
[url=http://911review.org/Media/Bin-Laden-Not-Wanted-for_9_11.html]Osama bin Laden not wanted for 9-11[/url]
[url=http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm][color=gre... 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE[/color][/url]
Does the Brotherhood exist?You will never know, Winston, you will never know
Mon, 2011-01-24 07:22
#71
The US does not control or fund the Afghan resistance, nor the international Islamic resistance movement.
That's true they don't fund ALL of the Afghan resistance just approximately 20% of it - the Taliban. The Taliban and CIA-ISI have been fingers crossed like "that" for years. And they've been [url=http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/07/court-documents-shed-li... the madrassa system for many years.[/color][/url] That is ongoing at the same they cover-up their intimate relations with "Qaeda", the invisible army of darkness which the CIA created.
[url=http://www.answercoalition.org/march-forward/statements/afghanistan-war-... 1: We are fighting to defeat the Taliban[/color][/url]
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Charlie Wilson and "freedom fighters" The lies about Afghanistan date back to the 1970s. Yes, THEY lied to ALL of us not just you, so don't take it personally. It's not about what you want to believe, it's about the lies and how millions of desperately poor people in Central Asia are still suffering as a result of the lies more than 30 years later. They just want social democracy like billions of others around the world, and it's up to the IMF and US-led NATO and their right wing extremist friends to ensure that Afghans and Pakistanis are denied basic human rights.
">http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/osamabinladen]Bin Laden apparently received training from the CIA, which was backing the Afghan holy warriors – the mujahedeen – who were tying down Soviet forces in Afghanistan.
During">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1670089.stm]During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.
"Security training", that's a good one. They were shown how to make bombs and hijack planes.
Recruté">http://www.lemonde.fr/cgi-bin/ACHATS/acheter.cgi?offre=ARCHIVES&type_ite... par l'agence américaine à l'époque de la guerre d'Afghanistan, Oussama Ben Laden connaît de l'intérieur tous les réseaux. Trafiquant d'armes et de stupéfiants richissime, le premier « terroriste global » gère une multinationale d'un genre nouveau.
"Total terrorist" and trafficker of arms et de stupefiants! oh la la? No, just yer runofthemill, every day CIA turn-key black ops ™.
But the worst lie as far as Canadians are concerned was when a [url=http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2005/12/08/layton-troop... GOVERNMENT[color=blue] lied to Canada's Parliament in December 2005[/color][/url] with respect to what new role Canadian troops would be undertaking in Afghanistan as a special favour to George W. Bush and US Military.
Mon, 2011-01-24 11:57
#72
Bec.De.Corbin
LOL speak of the devil and he will show up...
Taliban mentor dies in captivity in Pakistan
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110124/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan
Tarar's life personified some of the deep complexities of U.S. and Pakistani policies toward insurgents in the region.
His death in militant captivity was also shrouded in uncertainty, but appeared to indicate the extent to which some insurgents in the northwest had abandoned any loyalties to Pakistani intelligence agencies that nurtured an earlier generation of fighters.
Tarar, who was better known as Col. Imam and usually seen wearing a white turban and army camouflage jacket, played a major role in funneling Pakistani support and training to Afghans fighting Soviet rule in the 1980s, a push in large part financed by the CIA.
After the Soviets withdrew, he continued to be Pakistan's point man with the Taliban, which were seen by Islamabad as allies. He provided the movement with arms, funding and training and was known to be close to Mullah Omar. He and Khawaja remained publicly sympathetic to the Afghan Taliban and Omar since the movement's downfall in 2001 in the U.S.-led invasion.
Not that it doesn't surprise me but it seems the "resistance" isn't all on the same sheet of music.
Mon, 2011-01-24 15:15
#73
Bec, if you're asking me why a US-backed military dictatorship in Pakistan would betray one of their own creations, I am at a loss to explain the "why?" I can't say for sure why a bunch of right wing wackos would betray one of their own extremists. Is their no code of honour among psychopaths? WHAT is this world coming to?
As Canadian Peter Dale Scott says, these are not ordinary people with ordinary agendas. I am also at a loss to explain why the Gladio Gang would try to pin 9/11 on one of their own and imprison Khalid Sheihk Mohammed at Gitmo Naval base for torture and gross human rights violations on the island of Cuba. Did Lee Harvey Oswald not tell the world that he was only a patsy? In the same way, KSM denied having anything to do with 9/11 for five years. And for five years they tortured him. KSM was also one of their own anticommunist jihadis from the 1980s living there in the US for years. They murdered Canadian Gerald Bull when they were done with him, too.
Bec, I believe you are just not thinking like a right wing extremist. You and I both are just not ruthless enough to understand the minds of these treacherous psychopaths. And that's a compliment to us both I think.
Mon, 2011-01-24 17:06
#74
Bec.De.Corbin
That really wasn't aimed at anybody; the story covers an early supporter of the Taliban, Charlie Wilson and the early resistance to the Soviets and beyond. Kind of interesting you brought those up and then this story popped up.
Mon, 2011-01-24 18:45
#75
The CIA-ISI and Saudi princes funded and armed right wing extremists in Afghanistan specifically bypassing religious moderates. All of them except for Ahmed Shah Massood had little widespread support among Afghans at the time. And the reason they selected the wackos that they did was exactly because they enjoyed no popular support in Afghanistan. They were very popular among the CIA and ISI because they were violent right wing extremists. And the CIA-ISI and Saudis knew that all of their power was dependent upon support from right wing wackos in the west. They could be controlled then as they are controlled today. Otherwise the wackos were nothing to ordinary Afghans.
No one believes that any of these right wing extremists and violent misogynists would win a real election in Afghanistan today. This 30 year-long dirty war in Afghanistan with the west continuing to prop-up right wing extremists and mainly the Taliban has nothing to do with democracy or waging a legitimate war whatsoever. This bullshit war is a total waste of time for yet another generation of Afghans suffering as a result of the USA and NATO's geopolitical maneuvering in Central Asia. Our vicious toadies in Ottawa were just following orders in 2005 as they continue doing today.
Conclusion?
The US Military/NATO have no intentions of defeating the Taliban. The way the US-led NATO sees it is this: the other 80% of Afghan resistance - the local tribal leaders and ordinary Afghans not driven by religious fundamentalism - must not win!! Murdering Afghan democracy in the cradle is what they do and have done for the last three decades. And the Taliban fully realize that their existence depends on support from the CIA-ISI and US Military and the fact that they are there occupying Afghanistan militarily. ALL of these right wing factions need each other. It's a phony war. A big lie. There are Taliban there in Karzai's government today. Afghans have described some of the current and former USA proxies in Afghanistan as that country's equivalent to Hitler, Pinochet and Suharto. The moral of the story is, it does not matter which of any of them wins this phony war. Afghans as a whole would be far better off if the wackos were forced into legitimate peace talks and issues published for all the world to see as was the case with the Paris peace talks between US Military and NVA in the 60s and 70s. Afghans and Canadians all have a right to know why these right wing factions can't agree to disagree except for a ceasefire and end this meaningless conflict.
[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Canadian+trainers+Afghanistan+will+c..."The problem", said Layton, "is that many Taliban fighters are being trained by NATO, only to later depart the Afghan army as insurgents."[/url]"They have done more than their fair share in Afghanistan," he said. "And it's time to bring our troops home."
No longer satified with funding and arming them and subsidizing the madrassa system to ensure a steady supply, NATO is now training Taliban insurgents to keep warfiteering and illegal occupation going. Taliban and NATO mutual dependents.
Mon, 2011-01-24 23:06
#76
Bec, I believe you are just not thinking like a right wing extremist. You and I both are just not ruthless enough to understand the minds of these treacherous psychopaths. And that's a compliment to us both I think.
Sigh, I wish I could say the same thing.
When I was in the military back when I did some very bad things, an Army buddy of mine said, "If you can't blow up your best friend, then where's the morality in the world?"
Shortly after that someone he considered a "best friend" shot him.
When I related this to my Captain he replied, "You're wearing it.", referring to my leg cast - I had taken a couple of bullets in the leg in the incident, "It's the new morality."
I survived. My buddy and his assailant didn't.
Like I said, I was involved in some nasty things.
I have seen the dark side and I know how it operates.
Fidel, you're not far wrong in most of what you say.
Mon, 2011-01-24 23:21
#77
NDPPNo longer satified with funding and arming them and subsidizing the madrassa system to ensure a steady supply, NATO is now training Taliban insurgents to keep warfiteering and illegal occupation going. Taliban and NATO mutual dependents.
never fear - Layton's going to 'transform' it from within..
Tue, 2011-01-25 00:17
#78
never fear - Layton's going to 'transform' it from within..France, a founding member nation, pulled out of NATO in 1966. Did it ham-string NATO's efforts in perpetrating false flags and marching into sovereign countries? I guess not.
What countries need to do is not only pull out of NATO (those that are in NATO) but also demand the U.S.A. pulls its military bases out of all foreign countries.
After the American Empire collapses both militarily and economically (from its wars of empire), it also helps if the American people demand the U.S.A. dissolve NATO and pull its bases out of all foreign countries.
Tue, 2011-01-25 00:28
#79
Well as long as I was not too far wrong. I can't imagine what it was like for you, Former Soldier. I think I've worked with a few guys like that. Eventually you find out which of them have mean streaks. Can't imagine them handling rifles. Scary thought.
never fear - Layton's going to 'transform' it from within..
France, a founding member nation, pulled out of NATO in 1966. Did it ham-string NATO's efforts in perpetrating false flags and marching into sovereign countries? I guess not.
NATO has a notorious rep, it's true. I don't think the problem is one of not being able to say no to NATO whenever they plan for and prosecute wars/attacks against mainly defenseless nations in the syle of the Nazis with false flags and whole nine metres. The problem is the democratic deficit in various countries and especially Canada. It didn't seem to matter that a large majority of Canadians did not vote for FTA or NAFTA or GST. "Paternalistic" governments, and that's me being polite about it, will always tend to have agendas of their own. Not electing some third party effective opposition now isn't going to make things better in that regard. In fact, our so-called "Liberal" governments have ruled this country for 65 or 70 of the last 100 years. They were in power when they lied to Canadian Parliament as to why we were sending troops to Afghanistan and what their new purpose in Kandahar would be. The NDP squawked like hell about it at the time.
The problem is one of a demcratic deficit in Canada that is now a canyon. Our problem is that the same two parties have been the government in Ottawa for twice as long as the Sovs ruled the former USSR. Of course there will be decay and rot, and of course they will take voters for granted if they never understand both parts of the word no from voters. Canadians have to learn to say no, and they have to learn how to do it FPTP style. But if you don't vote on that one day every four years, then you lose your right to protest on the one day that actually counts for something. If you don't vote, then the obsolete electoral system assumes you must support the current state of affairs.
Tue, 2011-01-25 00:57
#80
never fear - Layton's going to 'transform' it from within..France, a founding member nation, pulled out of NATO in 1966. Did it ham-string NATO's efforts in perpetrating false flags and marching into sovereign countries? I guess not.
What countries need to do is not only pull out of NATO (those that are in NATO) but also demand the U.S.A. pulls its military bases out of all foreign countries.
After the American Empire collapses both militarily and economically (from its wars of empire), it also helps if the American people demand the U.S.A. dissolve NATO and pull its bases out of all foreign countries.
American Michael Hudson has written some good essays on US dollar imperialism. He thinks it's coming to an end. It's been on the agenda in meetings at Yekaterenburg in 2009. The US wanted an invite and were told no. Hudson says the US and representatives of US banking are going to be hearing the word no more often from the international community. It's a trend apparently.
Dollar imperialism was on the slate at recent G20 meetings. Various countries no longer want to finance US military buildups all around them. Emerging economies are deciding that the US dollar is no longer worth recycling into US treasuries and government-backed bonds. And they want to do it in a polite manner, but they surely will not accept more worthless paper without being allowed to strip valuable US assets as US captains of industry have done to neoliberalized developing nations. The writing is on the wall for the most expensive military in history. A multilateral world is on the horizon where no nation's currency will be dominant. The beast is loosed for a short while.
But that's the good news. The good news is that the vicious empire is running out of time and money. The worst case scenario is one that we don't even want to think about, and in which case, one or two countries pulling out of NATO would not mean much to the overall result.
Tue, 2011-01-25 23:33
#81
[url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f3f7fb2a-28a7-11e0-aa18-00144feab49a.html#axzz... happy with the warfiteering and illegal military occupation thus far[/url] ... going on ten years later.
[url=http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C01%5C21%5Cstory_21-... right wing fundamentalists happy and healthy[/url] and ready for more war...
War and amazing suffering reign merrily in Afghanistan after more than 30 years of US meddling in Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is a conveyer belt of death and misery for the sake of warfiteering and drug trafficking at the expense of another generation of Afghans.
Wed, 2011-01-26 04:20
#82
Fraud Mars US Plan to Build Afghanistan
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/161846.html
"The multi-billion-dollar US plan to rebuild Afghanistan has been dogged by widespread delays and fraud, a report by the Afghan reconstruction watchdog shows. Fields told the government watchdog that despite a massive $11.4 billion in funding, the reconstruction of the Afghan army and police forces was well off course..."
NATO to Take New Tasks in Afghanistan
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/161995.html
"Nato's senior official in Afghanistan, Mark Sedwell has said foreign forces will remain in the war-wrecked country far beyond 2014 to take new tasks.."
End the Occupation! NATO Out Now!
Wed, 2011-01-26 05:26
#83
Anger As Karzai Opens Parliament
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/01/201112661112799585.html
"A group of politicians disqualified from the new Afghanistan parliament are protesting over the president's decision to open parliament without waiting for a verdict from a special tribunal investigating allegations of electoral fraud in last year's parliamentary elections. Al Jazeera's Sue Tortan, reporting from Kabul, said about 150 of the losing parliamentarians staged a sit-in to persuade Hamid Karzai not to go ahead..
David Sultanzai, a former member of Paliament accused foreign embassies and the UN of pulling the strings of the Afghan government. 'Are we living in an Afghanistan that belongs to the Afghan people or to the UN and foreign embassies?, he said."
clearly the latter..
Wed, 2011-01-26 19:34
#84
[url=http://www.alternet.org/world/145631/totally_occupied:_700_military_base... Occupied: 700 Military Bases Spread Across Afghanistan[/color][/url] How Permanent Are America’s Afghan Bases? 2010
[url=http://www.answercoalition.org/march-forward/statements/afghanistan-war-... 5: We are going to leave Afghanistan[/url]
Thu, 2011-01-27 23:42
#85
"We had to destroy it in order to save it."
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/01/26/the-afghan-village-that-s-bee...
The insurgents warned the people to evacuate the village before it was destroyed.
Fri, 2011-01-28 01:05
#86
NDPP"We had to destroy it in order to save it."
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/01/26/the-afghan-village-that-s-bee...
The insurgents warned the people to evacuate the village before it was destroyed.
another version at #57
Fri, 2011-01-28 19:28
#87
Bec.De.Corbin
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Fri, 2011-01-28 19:46
#88
I think another one of the problems with Total Taliban Victory is, will they refuse to accept any more influence and money from Pakistan's army intellgence agency? And, will the two cold warrior spy agencies, the ISI and CIA, stop collaborating with one another toward achieving strategic depth in Afghanistan? For some reason I don't think so. Not unless there is a people's revolution in Pakistan to overthrow the very corrupt US-backed military dictatorship.
Fri, 2011-01-28 19:49
#89
Bec.De.Corbin
Not unless there is a people's revolution in Pakistan to overthrow the very corrupt US-backed military dictatorship.
I thought the current government was elected...
Fri, 2011-01-28 20:00
#90
British historian and specialist on Pakistan, Tariq Ali, says that Pakistan is totally corrupt and US-backed military and spy agency still running the show behind the scenes.
Sun, 2011-01-30 03:16
#91
US Commander in Afghanistan Boasts Of Inflicting 'Enormous Losses'
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jan2011/afgh-j29.shtml
"The pro-US governor of Baghlan province, Munshi Abdul Majid told the Washington Post 'I am telling you this very clearly - 50 percent of the people who are working with the Afghan government, their hearts are with the Taliban. And this 50 percent feel the international community is not trustworthy and is trying to fool them..
The only way in which the US can achieve its objective of transforming Afghanistan into a strategic base of operations in Central Asia and the Middle East is by continuing its criminal and bloody war of attrition to suppress the Afghan population.."
Tue, 2011-02-01 00:13
#92
Germany Prolongs Afghanistan Stay
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/162417.html
"Germany's lower house of parliament, the Bundestag, has extended the country's military presence in Afghanistan despite increasing public opposition. The new statute allows German troops to operate in war-torn Afghanistan under the command of the US-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) until February 2012.."
Tue, 2011-02-01 04:25
#93
Pakistan to Walk Tightrope on Afghan Peace
http://www.tribune.com.pk/story/72329/pakistan-to-walk-tightrope-on-afgh...
"Pakistan will need to walk a tightrope to secure its interests in US-backed reconciliation efforts in Afghanistan, at risk of being sidelined by the Taliban and the Kabul government, analysts say. The Taliban have denied any talks are taking place, and Afghan and Pakistani experts on insurgent groups dismiss such reports as Western propaganda..
Some Taliban commanders may not agree to a Pakistan role because they still believe Islamabad betrayed them by siding with the Americans after 9/11. The Taliban are now almost an independent Islamic movement, supported by many Islamic groups in the world. Pakistan knows it does not have the same level of influence over the Taliban that they once enjoyed..."
Tue, 2011-02-01 17:24
#94
[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12336294]Afghan Taliban members seek guarantees for peace talks[/url] Right wing terrorists seeking negotiations with right wing terrorists.
Weather in Afghanistan is cloudy with right wing terror.
Tue, 2011-02-01 19:33
#95
The Afghan Endgame: Islamabad, Kabul to Propose End to Combat
http://warisacrime.org/content/afghan-endgame-islamabad-kabul-propose-en...
"Pakistan and Afghanistan are likely to propose to the US to halt combat operations in the war-torn country and allow the reconciliation process to take the lead in the latest push for peace with the Taliban
Wed, 2011-02-02 07:11
#96
[URL=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12332049]BBC - Afghanistan: Civilian deaths hit 'record levels'[/URL]
The number of civilians killed in Afghanistan since the US-led invasion a decade ago hit record levels last year, according to a new report.
Some 2,421 civilians were killed, most at the hands of insurgents, the Kabul-based Afghanistan Rights Monitor said.
Foreign troops were to blame for about a fifth of all deaths - a slight fall on the previous year, the report says.
Correspondents say most officials are expecting at least the same level of violence, if not higher, this year.
[url=http://web.archive.org/web/20060217051331/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/88... deliberately let bin Laden escape[/url] from what was a sure capture or kill by elite special ops soldiers.
Fucking up =/= "deliberately letting bin Laden escape"
Wed, 2011-02-02 08:17
#97
Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan are waiting to learn if their benefits will be affected by a Defence Department review into tens of millions of dollars that were paid out in error.
On Tuesday, the Department of National Defence announced payments will be cut off at midnight while the military reviews the benefit assessments and payment process.
CBC's Peter Ackman, reporting from Kandahar, reported that military officials initially said there would be no cuts to the benefits of the soldiers serving in Afghanistan. Later, officials said they weren't sure if the benefits would be affected and that they're waiting for more information from the department.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/02/02/soldiers-benefits.html#ixzz1Co6fxgEY
Wed, 2011-02-02 09:07
#98
Fucking up =/= "deliberately letting bin Laden escape"
Sure-sure. French soldiers said they tried to nab bin Laden, but then US officials ordered them not to. You see, bin Laden is a proven anticommunist. He and very many mujahideen "freedom fighters" received specialized training in terrorism from military aces in the US and Europe, Afghanistan, Bosnia etc since the 1980s and 90s. US whistleblowers say the the very corrupt US government is concealing the identities of an entire mid-level organizational layer of "al-Qaeda" established there in the USA.
And then there was the issue of General Mushrraf's memoirs. He said Rumsfeld ok'd the airlift rescue of a hundreds of Taliban and al-CIA'da. Seymour Hersh wrote about it in [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HER206A.html]The Getaway[/url]
There is no such think as "al-Qaeda." Elvis bin Laden is a myth created to pacify naive Americans not Canadians who can afford to pay attention.
Wed, 2011-02-02 21:43
#99
This Is Not A Place For Life
http://warisacrime.org/node/56520
"Dr. Hasan added: 'To those, like the US [and Canada] who say that an area has to be 'secured' first by military before an aid project can be set up, I say this is not acceptable. It is better if people negotiate directly with the Taliban for security.' Instead of waiting for the US to send in an air strike, Hasan said his team met with the Taliban leaders and explained what they wanted to do. 'Eventually they told us, Please come and work here.'
The doctor paused briefly and then added, 'It is not possible, ever, to first bombard and then send in aid. It will not work. Our medical services are open to all, are Taliban not human beings?' In remarkably frank words for an NGO aid official, he continued; 'Stop funding militias. They are not useful. They bring insecurity rather than security. I will tell you that for security, people are happy with the Taliban more than the militias..'"
Thu, 2011-02-03 04:51
#100
2010: Worst Year For Civilian Death in the Afghan War - by Derrick Crowe
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/derrick-crowe/2010-worst-year-for-civil_b_...
"Last year was the worst year for civilian deaths in the war so far, and irregular armed groups backed by the US and by the Afghan government are preying on the population while recruiting and abusing children. Go team"..
Thu, 2011-02-03 05:08
#101
Pakistan Military Bombs Afghanistan
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/163369.html
"Pakistani forces have bombed residential areas and police checkpoints in eastern Afganistan after Afghan and Pakistani troops exchanged fire across the border, a top Afghan official said.."