Math prof suspended for opposing relaxed PhD standards

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N.R.KISSED

"That line can be used against any whistleblower, that s/he has brought disrepute to the organization by exposing the wrongdoings."

Yes he is taking a brave and heroic stand against a student with an anxiety problem. A student who according to links from the Macleans article actually got just under a pass on the comprehensive. What would that be maybe a 75-79% instead of a 80-85%. Oh please won't someone think of the standards! Wrongdoings? Stop the press university administration over rules academic department stop the presses. Wrongdoings suggests something sinister is going on rather than clumsy academic wrangling. The assumption that standards were compromised is not something that has been proven in any substantial way. If the standards of your department rest on the awarding of a few percentage points on a comprehensive exam than maybe its time to question what your standards are. People just repeating rules is rules and requirements is requirements miss the point.

"Expecting all faculty members to write against the university administration is fairly unrealistic. Knowing the atmosphere of a typical university, just the fact that about one third of his colleagues dared supporting him publicly is probably sufficient indication to me that a majority agree with him"

11 faculty members signed a petition protesting a letter of reprimand that was written, when Lukacks was engaged in the internal appeal process. I actually agree the letter should have been protested. He should have the right to follow the internal appeals process and I would support him in making his case even though I disagree with it. I've already stated that I believe an alternate accomodation would have been ideal but I don't know all the details nor do I expect them to be reported in the press. His decision to go to court is more problematic and only one colleague supported him publicly in his court case.

The whole thing is a tempest in a math department.

sanizadeh

N.R.KISSED wrote:

Yes he is taking a brave and heroic stand against a student with an anxiety problem. A student who according to links from the Macleans article actually got just under a pass on the comprehensive. What would that be maybe a 75-79% instead of a 80-85%. Oh please won't someone think of the standards! Wrongdoings? Stop the press university administration over rules academic department stop the presses. Wrongdoings suggests something sinister is going on rather than clumsy academic wrangling.

That has nothing to do with the your statement in which you condemned him for "smear against the university" for going to the court system. That was nonsense and as a principle, could be used against any whistleblower.

I should clarify that I don't think there is any merit in Lukacs' court action to invalidate the PhD degree. He obviously has no standing on the issue. Nor do I take any specific stance on whether the student in question is qualified for a PhD degree or not. I am much more concerned with the actions of university administration in this regard, which in my view appear quite sinister in nature. That includes:

1) It was reported that the decision was made by the dean of graduate studies against the decision of faculty's graduate committee. Further explanations from the deans have denied but with no additional information. If true, a university administrator should not have the right to solely decide the requirements for awarding a degree.

2) A letter of reprimand from the university to Lukacs for following up the issue through internal channels at the university. Whether Lukacs was right or wrong on the matter, he had the right to bring the issue up from an academic integrity viewpoint and an internal investigation does not in any way publicize student's name. Reprimanding Lukacs for taking an action that might be considered his academic duty, was a violation of his academic freedom.

3) Lukacs' suspension appears to be an act of revenge by the university and nothing else, as the university lawyer clearly indicated in his remarks "disobey the boss, pay the price". If Lukacs violated the student's privacy by publicizing his name in a court case, it is the student's right to sue him (and in that case I would have supported the student). The university should have no right to take any action before the courts rule on the merits of such lawsuit. I suppose (and certainly hope) Lukacs wins his suspension case.

So overall our views are closer than what you may think.

Brian White

N.R.KISSED wrote:

A student who according to links from the Macleans article actually got just under a pass on the comprehensive. What would that be maybe a 75-79% instead of a 80-85%. Oh please won't someone think of the standards!

Well, you see, there is a vast difference between 75 to 79% and 80 to 85%.  It is huge compared to the difference between 40% and 55%

Especially when you take the bell shaped curve into consideration.  Exam results used to be distributed by way of the bell shaped curve. (If the exam that year was easy people got marked down).

Only a specific proportion of students could get the top mark. The people who take that most seriously of all would be mathematicians.

That used to be the rule (because the bell shaped curve rules in nature)  but then social pressure made a joke of the system.

"o but they were a brilliant class this year, I had to give them all A's"   Well actually, statistically, a class of 25 is going to be pretty much exactly as brilliant as the class of last year. By giving them all A's you devalue the people before and after them.

It is important that standards are maintained.  There is inflationary pressure in standards just as there is in the housing market.

Brilliant People who still had to work really hard to get their phd do not take it lightly when someone tries to make an ass out of them by getting their phd through their connections.   The bell shaped curve is one of those little mathematical constructs that makes its presence felt everywhere in the universe.  No wonder the professor saw red.

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