The missing thread on GOP and Tea(party) plans,probabilities and possibilities for 'Merica (and us)

Prince_or_Orange wrote:

I dwelled on al Qa-Bong's coming to my defense against a dismissive George Victor, who after winds up agreeing with me that Ron Paul may in fact be on to something... That was exactly my point.  I have started reading Paul's  "The Revolution - A Manifesto".  Could that be the (bloodless) revolution we may all be able to believe in...??  I am sure the Stargazer-types are watching the Paul's ascend nervously (and are trying to do everything to make him and his supporters out to be leftwing of rightwing nutcases or may even call in the CIA for another planted bomb or print some leftwing nazi posters to radicalize the debate - all part of the old divide and conquer game).  Their empty power is being exposed and threatened. Left and right keep your heads cool and unite to defeat the corporate fascists!!          

Hello there Prince, I am the "Stargazer type" you so dismissively alluded to in your post (quoted here). Yes I watch the Paul's nervously. Can you guess why? I had no idea I was "radicalizing the debate" by posting up Rand Paul's extremely racist and poor-bashing far right mantra. His call for the complete elimination of the state should have you worried. But I'm guessing you are a Libertarian, who believes only "free enterprise" should be free*. You and the other Rand supporters seem hungry to live in a corporate ruled country (and indeed, that is what you live in currently) however, the neo-libertarians want to take that even further - strip the state completely, eliminate all social safety nets, and all barriers to the "free enterprise". Here is the thing, the only thing more annoying than a tea bagger is a libertarian, somewhat swifter but even hungrier for a return to a dog-eat-dog world, where all the poor and middle class are wearing milk bone underwear. I'm sorry I can't quite swallow the whole Rand Paul koolaid, and frankly I'm surprised you would as well. Can you enlighten me as to how the basics of life are to be paid for in a corporate free for all?

I am sure you think that by supporting Ron Paul's position you are supporting "freedom". can you tell me how free a person is when they have no recourse, or no option for accountability when all regulations and rules surrounding worker's rights are destroyed? How do you see living wages increase under Paul's proposed system? Who will be the watch dogs of the corporations? Themselves? I am always amazed by libertarians. Just how will a decent society function when the people are quite literally slaves to the free market?

But ya know, maybe education, medicare, housing, employment benefits, social security and minimum wages are silly useless things that should be left entirely to multi-nationals, or simply eliminated entirely. 

The love of God has been fused with the love of corporations and the supreme belief in the "invisible hand of the free market" which we know is neither invisible nor free.

I look forward to your reply.

here is Ron Paul's call to abolish the "welfare state" and a nice quote from his doctrine:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul80.html

Mr. Speaker, no one can deny that welfare programs have undermined America's moral fabric and constitutional system. Therefore, all those concerned with restoring liberty and protecting civil society from the maw of the omnipotent state should support efforts to eliminate the welfare state, or, at the very least, reduce federal control over the provision of social services. Unfortunately, the misnamed Personal Responsibility, Work, and Family Promotion Act (H.R. 4) actually increases the unconstitutional federal welfare state and thus undermines personal responsibility, the work ethic, and the family.

Prince_or_Orange wrote:

 Free enterprise built the country and its wealth. 

You have got to be fucking kidding right?

No. I see you are not.

Slavery, corruption and exploitation built the country.

There was no fucking free enterprise.

So are you advocating slavery again? Seems so

Ummm..the words I have quoted cannot possibly be twisted or taken out of context. Have you bothered to click and read the links? These are Ron Paul's own words. You would be wise to brush up on those whom you advocate for leadership positions.

Free enterprise certainly did NOT build this country, or America. That would have been the slaves, the poor (you do remember those workers sacrificed at the alter of the Industrial Revolution?), the Chinese - the workers built this country - which was founded on the blood of the First People and the slaves brought over to toil and produce for the white man.

I'm sorry, but eliminating the state, denying the violent and racist history of the Americas, does not help your position. You may chose to have an idealistic view of how the country was really founded, but you will find very very few of us have any toleration for the notion that 'free enterprise build this country and its wealth'. No sir, free enterprise broke the backs of the poor and the chained and spit them out with their now blackened lungs, loss of quality of life, and extreme isolation from anything natural. No, America was founded by the men and women who actually tiled the soil, who built the ships, who sacrificed their lives dying in conditions that were extremely unfavourable to them. "Free Enterprise" simply used these bodies. People, real people, built the country. Not bloodsucking corporations.

Closing for the longness.