Egyptian Revolution II

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George Victor

wz :

"My intent here is not to point out the future difficulties that Egypt faces, no matter who is charge, but to use the change that happened there as emblematic of what we might expect elsewhere, especially in the financial markets.

 

 

This revolution has been motivated in part by desperation.  And there will be no lack of desperation in the world in the next few years.

The people need revolutions across the world, enough of them that the powers can no longer keep things in control.  These revolutions will likely corrrelate with terrible food shortages.  The world is in for a rough ride, and it will go well beyond "the weather".

What happened to all the ecosocialists?"

 

I'm afraid, wz, that nobody wants to hear from the ecosocialists. They tend to adulterate the revolutionary message and the mainstream with practical thoughts about crops and peasantry. You have learned to walk the correct path with talk of a "correlation" of revolutionary events and climate change events. A tip of the hat to you. I must remember "correlation."

Ken Burch

Farmpunk wrote:

 

I laughed so loud when the former Israeli dude said he'd feel Egypt had made progress when he can hang out in Tahrir square and shout "Long live Netanyahu" without someone chopping him up into pieces.  What an oddball thing to say.

 

There are places in ISRAEL where you'd be asking for trouble if you shouted that.  Including a few sections of the Knesset.

NDPP

Egypt Being Governed Same Way As Before, PM Says

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/02/13/idINIndia-54864520110213

"Apparently seeking to reassure Egyptians that everything was under control, Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq said government affairs were being presented to the Higher Military Council, 'as they were presented to the president of the republic.' 'There is no change in the form, method or process of work. Matters are completely stable, he told a news conference.."

Tahrir Square Protesters Defy Army To Keep Egypt's Revolution Alive

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/13/tahrir-square-protesters-egy...

"The rest of the revolution is not complete. Since the beginning of the revolution we have trusted the army but if we leave the square our revolution will die. We want to keep the revolution alive so that we get the 100% freedom we are asking for,' he said. Shal Kami is among a few hundred protesters who have remained in Tahrir Square..."

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trippie

@ Ken post #63

 

I live in the real world bro, so you can stop your emotional rhetoric, when trying to describe me

The working class of Egypt never put forward a Socialist solution to the bourgeois military dictatorship there. So in the end the military stayed in charge. That's called reality because that's what happened in reality.

 

The real question is , why didn't the working class have a Socialist solution to this problem?

 

 

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trippie wrote:

 

 

The real question is , why didn't the working class have a Socialist solution to this problem?

 

 

 

Not such a hard question to answer.   It wasn't about socialism.

trippie

Look all of you are not see what is going on.

 

Waht happend in Greece is the same thing that happened in Egypt. Sicne the working class of a more advanced capitalist countried could put forth a Socialist answertother capitalist problem, how in the hell can they do it in Egypt?

 

Lokk Mubarak was going to die in a few years anyways. The leadership would have changed from one scum bag to another, as it has happened here.

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trippie wrote:

Look all of you are not see what is going on.

 

Waht happend in Greece is the same thing that happened in Egypt. Sicne the working class of a more advanced capitalist countried could put forth a Socialist answertother capitalist problem, how in the hell can they do it in Egypt?

 

Lokk Mubarak was going to die in a few years anyways. The leadership would have changed from one scum bag to another, as it has happened here.

 

 I can see what going on just fine.  What I see is someone putting their own take on what they should do.   Why are you assuming that they even want or would want it socialism? 

Seriously though if you really want an answer to your questions.  Talk to them yourself.   Ask your questions to them.  

Many have been more then willing to chat about what's going on.

It's pretty cool really.

My take from chatting as well as reading posts that the revolution was not about any particular ideology but more about creating the political space to be able to actually decide and argue over what they want.   Probably the most interesting thing I've come across is people knowing full well that even the people they revolted with are politically different.  In a more open political space they'd be opponents and they're damn well excited about getting the opportunity to argue socialism or capitalism or whateverism with each in the political sphere.

 

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Closing for length. Please start a part 3.

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