Libya VI

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Sat, 2011-03-19 18:43

West Coast Greeny

Jingles wrote:

The Hens were fed up. Fox lay in the corner of the henhouse, and grinned through bloody teeth. "We must rise up and defeat Fox", said Hen, "for we shall never be free while he's in here, and our chicks will never be safe!"

Fox grinned through bloody teeth. "Sister Hen" he said, "Don't concern yourself with such matters. Lay eggs, see that I am fed, and I will protect you from harm"

Hen had had enough. One morning, while Fox slept, the hens attacked. But what could they do, with stunted beak and wing, to defeat Fox, whose teeth gnashed and spit blood and feathers?

"We must have help", said Hen.

"Someone help Sister Hen!" cried Rat, looking through the boards at the fight inside. "Fox will kill them all!" Rat gnashed his teeth with worry, but his beady eyes beheld the eggs.

"We must help Sister Hen!" cried Badger. "There is much we can do to stop Fox". She shed tears and gnashed her teeth, and her black eyes beheld the chicks.

"We will help Sister Hen" cried Wolf. "My pack and I have the tools to stop it. We shall ask our Sister Bobcat, and our Brother Eagle to help us save the coop! For Hen shall live in freedom, and never more fear Fox's gnashing teeth." And their cold, white eyes beheld the warm nests within.

So Fox was vanquished. And Wolf, and Bobcat, and Eagle, and Badger, and Rat, rested contentedly and righteously, their teeth red with blood, and their beds soft with feather.

Actually its more like, farm owner finds a fox in the hen house, and shoos it out of the coup.

Back to studying. I might not be back in this topic for a while. Thanks for joining me in this something-between-a-heated-argument-and-straight-up-flame-war.

Sat, 2011-03-19 18:43

#103

Jingles

Quote:
- and does only that

I continue to be amazed and astounded at the staggering naivety and willful ignorance newly adopted by so many Babbler Bombardiers.

Sat, 2011-03-19 18:44

#104

Fidel

I think I hear Fox on tv calling you.

Sat, 2011-03-19 18:47

#105

VectoV

West Coast Greeny wrote:

Fidel wrote:

All I'm seeing on CBC are pro Gadaffi supporters in the streets...

Mostly because the anti-Gaddafi supporters are getting shot by the army.

I think, at this point, arguing is getting a little futile. Over the next couple of months, we'll see which one of our points of view is vindicated.

If Libya starts flying the American flag above their capitol, starves the country, butchers civilians, and literally steals thier oil, then I guess your right.

If NATO commits ground troops and Libya is getting thrown into a years-long quagmire where tens of thousands are getting killed then you're partially right, and I'm certainly wrong.

If the protesters/National Council take over and democratize Libya, then I'm right, and you'll claim that Obama is pulling the strings behind the scenes somehow.

Well, of course you are.That's his propaganda machine at work. He's into it up to his neck now. If in fact there are 10,000 dead in Libya, it sure as hell wasn't the UN forces that did that. I personally think this is going to be over quick and the international community is going to bend over backwards to make this work, because right now it is what the world in general needs and what the freedom loving Libyans want. I also can't see all this being over 2% or less of the worlds oil production.

Sat, 2011-03-19 18:55

#106

Fidel

Where do the rebs come into play here? Are they throwing snowballs at government troops and otherwise minding their own business?

It's obvious that I am unable to deprogram you here. Better get back to Fox for your regularly scheduled wash-braining.

Sat, 2011-03-19 18:58

#107

Jacee

I'm on the fence to see how it goes. (wussie eh?)

But I just heard Global tv news say "Canada is at war in Libya." I think that's incorrect phrasing.

Sat, 2011-03-19 18:59

#108

West Coast Greeny

Fidel wrote:

VectoV wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Except they'll have to murder thousands of resistance fighters and Libyan politicians, doctors, teachers, etc first before they seize control of the oil fields and impose USsA's brand of dollar democracy on the most well off people in Africa.

Oh yes...well off under an iron fist, always looking over your shoulder, having to be very careful about what you say and to whom. Yeah, that could be categorized as well off in a really long stretch of the imagination.

None of our vicious toadies in Ottawa nor their imperial masters in Warshington give a shit about Africans. They didn't say shit about Uncle Sam's proxies Rwanda and Uganda slaughtering 5 million Congolese since 1998. That's an ongoing holocaust in the name of the corporatocracy.

No, Libyans are not the most oppressed people in Africa. According to the [url=http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/]UN HDI[/url] for 2010, Libya is at the top of the list for human development in Africa.

The only rights to be liberated in Libya are Libyans from their birth rights to Libyan oil.

Alright, I lied. One last post. Since I think Fidel threw out an invalid point that might catch on. One that I already dealt with in another thread.

Libya is ranks so high on human development because they have been a politcally stable nation (note: stable =/= free) for the last 42 years, and happens to have the largest proven oil reserves per capita in Africa. Indeed, outside of Norway and the Gulf States, vitually no nation is as oil wealthy.

Extending your logic, Saudi Arabians, are not oppressed, also, America is the 4th free-est society on the planet. And Israel ranks in the top 20.

If you want to talk about political freedoms, look at indicies of political freedoms, not indicies of well-being and development. You'll see Libya ranks at or near the very bottom in every single one of them.

Sat, 2011-03-19 19:04

#109

VectoV

I'm not sure if your speaking to me Fidel, but I can assure you, I am the last person you can brainwash.

Spot on WCG !

Sat, 2011-03-19 19:12

#110

VectoV

Jacee wrote:

I'm on the fence to see how it goes. (wussie eh?)

But I just heard Global tv news say "Canada is at war in Libya." I think that's incorrect phrasing.

Whole heartedly agree.

Sat, 2011-03-19 19:15

#111

Fidel

You don't come to the rescue of people by bombing and escalating a ground war. Did they rescue Iraq? No, they did not. They ended up murdering more than one million human beings. How can that be rescuing people.

This is not a "no-fly zone". What it is is a Nazi Germany style blitzkrieg attack on a sovereign country. Just like Hitler and the Nazis said that attacking and invading Poland was for humanitarian reasons, so, too, are the gladio gang incorporated using the humanitarian ruse to bomb and murder people in sovereign countries today. And they are doing it in Libya for a total of four theaters of war:

1. Pakistan-Afghanistan, 2. Iraq, 3. Palestine, 4. North Africa.

The BRIC countries and Germany are diplomatically opposed to this latest intervention and fascist attack on a sovereign country.

Sat, 2011-03-19 19:15

#112

MegB

WilderMore wrote:
Rebecca West wrote:
we really should be concentrating on getting aid to victims of the conflict.

How? Airdrops? Drive it in from Egypt? Send ships to Benghazi? All of those methods entail risks that Gadhaffi will attack them, unless they are defended by people with big guns and planes.

No shit. But apparently some naive do-gooders are just crazy enough to take risks in order to help others - hence the aid workers amassed at Libya's borders, waiting to be allowed in to help.

Military forces take great risks in order to blow the shit out of each other, and aid workers take great risks in order to save lives. In a cost-benefit analysis, I'm thinking the latter wins out.

Sat, 2011-03-19 19:18

#113

Unionist

Jacee wrote:

But I just heard Global tv news say "Canada is at war in Libya." I think that's incorrect phrasing.

Quite right. It's far better to just bomb a country without declaring war on it. The U.S. has much to teach us in that area.

Sat, 2011-03-19 19:22

#114

Fidel

VectoV wrote:

Jacee wrote:

I'm on the fence to see how it goes. (wussie eh?)

But I just heard Global tv news say "Canada is at war in Libya." I think that's incorrect phrasing.

Whole heartedly agree.

The head stooge himself is calling it [url=http://www.canada.com/news/Harper+notes+Libya+coalition+begins+aerial+mi...'an act of war'[/url] Of course, someone else entirely is speaking through our corrupt stooges in Ottawa. So we can't really be sure what Uncle Sam's plan is for the Canadian military at this point aside from air support for blitzkrieg terror over Libya.

Sat, 2011-03-19 19:22

#115

Unionist

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Quote:

I do think that, under the right cirucmstance, a coalition of powers does have the right to protect a civilian population that faces the danger of massive human rights violations, and possibly just getting slaughtered.

What about Palestine, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain? Why does Libya deserve such special treatment?

Stop confusing those who see no evil unless and until Obama and Harper declare it so.

Honestly, Al-Q, you know better than to pull anti-imperialism at a time like this, when the Libyan people just want someone like Nick Sarkozy or Silvio Berlusconi as their chef d'état.

Sat, 2011-03-19 19:24

#116

MegB

Continued here.

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