Libya XI

TRN: Glen Ford: The US Intervention Does Not Have Humanitarian Objectives (and vid)

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...

"Well it is an imperial assault. We don't need to lose sight of the forest just because individual trees are acting this way and that. What we're seeing is a united Euro-American assault on a major oil producer.."

Michel Collon: About the Libyan intervention etc (vid)

http://www.michelcollon.info/Michel-Collon-about-the.html?lang=fr

"Michel Collon speaks about the intervention in Libya, the media lies applied to the war and the differences between a good Arab and a bad Arab.."

Western Jets Continue to Bomb Libya

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173270.html

'NATO Unable To Protect Libyan People'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173305.html

"Libyan revolutionary forces have criticized NATO over what they call the Western militay alliance's inability to prevent regime forces from killing civilians.."

'UK Behind ME Disintegration Plots'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173289.html

'US Wants Arab World Destabilized' - Interview: Webster Tarpley

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173090.html

"...What Gaddafi has succeeded in doing, is to whip away the edifying rhetoric of colour revolutions, the tomorrows of democracy and human rights to reveal what is underneath, which is a brutal imperialist power grab against Libya and many other countries.."

The Two Faces Of Libya's Rebels

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/05/the_two_faces_of_libyas...

"...The rebels consist of two distinct groups: the fighters and the political leadership.."

I am sorry, but Webster Tarpley is a former Larouchite, a conspiracy theorist - and not just on 9/11 as MIHAP - but on a lot of things. He also ties to Eustace Mullins, Holocaust denier.  He really does not seem appropriate to rabble.

NDPP wrote:

'US Wants Arab World Destabilized' - Interview: Webster Tarpley

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173090.html

"...What Gaddafi has succeeded in doing, is to whip away the edifying rhetoric of colour revolutions, the tomorrows of democracy and human rights to reveal what is underneath, which is a brutal imperialist power grab against Libya and many other countries.."

US Public Relations Firm Aids Libyan Rebels

http://strategic-culture.org/news/2011/04/06/us-public-relations-firm-ai...

"The Harbour Group, a small but well connected Washington public relations firm is helping Libya's most prominent rebel organisation to raise its profile among journalists and politicians in the US capital.."

2dawall wrote:

I am sorry, but Webster Tarpley is a former Larouchite, a conspiracy theorist - and not just on 9/11 as MIHAP - but on a lot of things. He also ties to Eustace Mullins, Holocaust denier.  He really does not seem appropriate to rabble.

But babble is filled with all kinds of links to quotes from [url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/39881353/Webster-Griffin-Tarpley-The-Bush-Fami... Holocaust promoters and participants, traitors and other scumbags[/url], from the Bush crime family themselves to news items about US car companies whose CEOs supported Adolf Hitler and the Nazis from the 1930s right up to late 1942 when the Red Army was turning tables on the Nazis at Leningrad and Stalingrad - and only then did the US Government think to criminalize corporate trading with and aiding and abetting our WW II enemies of freedom and democracy.

And their scumbaggery continues today with al-CIA-da teaming up with terrorists in the ongoing anticommunist jihad for oil and this time in Libya.

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I found a picture of a rebel pickup truck with an aircraft rocket launcher pod bolted to the bed... While innovatively brilliant and resourceful I hope this isn't what the press is referring to as heavier weapons.

 

I always thought that Toyota should make a commercial with a montage of these things, along these lines:

"Toyota trucks: Tough enough for Jihad, tough enough for you"

"While some trucks are Like a Rock, built Ford tough, or Ram Tough, only Toyotas can fight the fight."

Libya And The Laws Of War: Interview with Michael Mandel by Thomas Kollman

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/mandel040411.html

Divisions Among Imperial Powers Over Conduct of Libya Offensive  -  by Chris Marsden

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/apr2011/liby-a07.shtml

"Washington's decision to withdraw from participation in air bombardment of Libya has exacerbated tensions between the major powers, above all between the United States and France. The longer the offensive against Tripoli goes on, the more the pretence of a united effort gives way to ill concealed and sharp attacks over who will pay for the campaign and who will seize the lion's share of post-war Libyan oil assets.."

The unflinching truth from Chris Floyd:

[url=http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2114-... Stories: The Imperium Strikes Back[/url]

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

 

Besieged Libyan rebel city looks for NATO rescue

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So far world opinion has not led to pressure for the NATO Coalition to really do anything to break the siege...

 

I'm impressed at how NATO and rebel forces only target Gaddafi's military, while Gaddafi's forces only target civilians, children, hospitals, etc. I really really believe these objective news reports. They truly show how what we are witnessing is simply, and plainly, a battle between Good and Evil.

I'm also impressed with the noble struggle of an embattled opposition force, whose only desire in the world is to overthrow the Libyan government by force of arms, with the assistance of the greatest military powers in the world. Their only humble plea is to have more and faster killing of the government forces by the foreigners (and, preferably, less accidental killing of their own forces by friendly fire).

Yet, "so far world opinion has not let to pressure for the NATO Coalition to really do anything to break the siege..."

Shame on world opinion!! Where are the cries for blood when we need them the most?? For, as we know, the U.S., U.K., Canada, and France would never, ever, dream of taking military action in the absence of advance approval by "world opinion". That's just the kind of democratic people we are.

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

So far world opinion has not led to pressure for the NATO Coalition to really do anything to break the siege...

Your own quoted source provides the reason why:

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Western officials have said it is difficult to act in Misrata because the regime's troops are too close to civilians.

ov wrote:

If there was ever a case for war crime convictions it would be for the use of depleted uranium. [...] Also notice that DU has been used only against Arab countries (though wind currents distribute the radiation around the world).  How many generations will it take before everybody that is in these countries is sterile. This is a massive genocide program orchestrated by the "Never Again Crowd" and yet there is nothing but psychic numbing, no outrage, nothing except a "boring" and a big yawn.  For a big clue about who is behind this identify the person that authorized the first use of depleted uranium as a weapon (elevator counter weights just aren't the same thing.)

Strange that no one has challenged this slightly crazy post, but they actually haven't only been used in Arab countries, they were also used in Kosovo and Bosnia, no?

I see their use as callousness, not genocide.  They are very deadly in battle and the fact that they pollute horribly is probably just seen as irrelevant.  Without a bit more evidence (heck--any evidence) I think the charge of genocide here is preposterous...

Lachine Scot wrote:

Strange that no one has challenged this slightly crazy post, but they actually haven't only been used in Arab countries, they were also used in Kosovo and Bosnia, no?

I see their use as callousness, not genocide.  They are very deadly in battle and the fact that they pollute horribly is probably just seen as irrelevant.  Without a bit more evidence (heck--any evidence) I think the charge of genocide here is preposterous...

I should have been more accurate and stated that DU has only been used against Muslims, which would include all the Arab countries that it has been used in, as well as Kosovo and Bosnia. (But because ultrafine nano particles are generated when it combusts the trade winds spread it around the globe and radiate us all; so I guess that makes it okay and moral)

Use the Babble search feature for depleted uranium, and if you can't find any information that gives credibility to genocide then you're just not looking.

I agree that the use of DU is abhorrent and a war crime. I just don't see it as targeted genocide against muslims.  Might I remind you that in both Bosnia and Kosovo the weapons were used against Christians, not Muslims, even though of course as you say it ends up affecting everyone. 

Shooting Christian armies with dirty weapons as a tactic to murder Muslims makes no sense except in the realm of conspiracy theory.

No one targets "Muslims". What kind of bs is this? The U.S. and other imperialists target whoever opposes their rule, irrespective of religion. They love and support the so-called "Muslim" keepers of Mecca - the fascist princes of Saudi Arabia. The Shah was a "Muslim" too. You think they hated him? Wake up.

Imperialism uses religion to play divide and rule. Anyone who thinks they actually care if someone is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or atheist, has got some serious case of rocks in the head.

Yep, the imperialists are not prejudiced against ethnicity or nationality when it comes to using them as pawns over the near or long term. They basically hate everybody who doesn't voluntarily lay down to be crushed by an imperialist machine. They will use and abuse everyone regardless. Their treachery is unbounded. There is now little incentive for independent resource-rich countries to adhere to the western world's non-proliferation hypocrisy.

Well we have seen recently that Gaddafi has been putting out feelers for a truse of some kind.. So far there is not word form NATO about stopping their invasion.

So it's NO Fly Zone turned into regime change.

Canadian people are now complicit through our governemnts support of an illegal war in Libya.

Does anyone really believe that the Libyan freedom fighters want democracy? Does anyone really believe that armed insurrection (supported presumably by the west) does not deserved an armed response by the government? I am not claiming Ghadafi is a saint (actually I think he should be killed), but I certainly do not support Canadian Armed forces attacking a sovereign nation without direct provocation.

And while I am on this military soapbox, what on earth do we (Canada) need stealth fighters for? How about a homebuilt Navy to help protect our own sovereignty (we do have the most coastline in the world, or near to it). Spending billions for a vague trickle down certainly seems like bad business. We could start to beef up our own aerospace industry for that kind of cash and the jobs and tech would then be our own.

NATO in Libya: The Syrian Script

http://www.kabobfest.com/2011/04/nato-in-libya-the-syrian-script.html

"...The main objectives of this operation seem to be identical to all former operations on behalf of the super-powers: the prolonging of the profit-generating war. Like the popular video game 'Counter-Strike', it doesn't really matter who teams up with the 'Terrorist' team or the 'Counter-Terrorist' team, because the objective of the game is not ideological, but to play!

When will people understand that once you're high up in the game, your loyalty is only to yourself, for your own power or wealth? And that whoever displays genuine ideological loyalties of any kind is going to get excluded from the game..."

John Pilger wrote:

President Barack Obama's historical distinction is now guaranteed. He is America's first black president to invade Africa.

Brilliantly to the point.

John Pilger wrote:

The Euro-American attack on Libya has nothing to do with protecting anyone; only the terminally naive believe such nonsense. It is the West's response to popular uprisings in strategic, resource-rich regions of the world and the beginning of a war of attrition against the new imperial rival, China.

More on China ...

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President Barack Obama's historical distinction is now guaranteed. He is America's first black president to invade Africa. His assault on Libya is run by the US Africa Command, which was set up in 2007 to secure the continent's lucrative natural resources from Africa's impoverished people and the rapidly spreading commercial influence of China. Libya, along with Angola and Nigeria, is China's principal source of oil.

LIBYA, ALONG WITH ANGOLA AND NIGERIA, IS CHINA'S PRINCIPAL SOURCE OF OIL.

2dawall wrote:

I am not sure if that is true ...

It's true. And then after the corporate sponsored war of annihilation against Soviet communism finally ended by 1945, the US and Brits essentially reconstructed Hitler's intel agency to run the spy ops out of West Germany, run false flag operations and commit acts of terrorism both sides of the iron curtain. Today Anglela Merkel and that government are trying to avoid the spotlight on former Nazis still lurking in Germany's BND -successors to Heinrich Himmler's SS. They were caught red-handed bombing an embassy in Kosovo three years ago at a time when NATO's role there in the eastern edge of Europe was questioned.

And that old Hollywood movie, Marathon Man, with Dustin Hoffman? It was a lot worse than that. Our cold war era political leaders welcomed THOUSANDS of Nazi war criminals into North America and Latin America with open arms knowing full well who they were. 

Recollections Of My Life: Col Mu'ummar Qaddafi

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Recollections-of-my-Life--by-Sam-Hamod-...

"...Now I am under attack by the biggest force in military history. My little African son, Obama, wants to kill me, to take away our free housing, our free medicine, our free education, our free food, and replace it with American style thievery, called 'capitalism'. But all of us in the Third World know what that means, it means corporations run the countries, run the world, and the people suffer. So, there is no alternative for me, I must make my stand, and if Allah wishes, I shall die..."