Trying to show a one issue conservative that harper is attacking heathcare...

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Fraa4
Trying to show a one issue conservative that harper is attacking heathcare...

Need your help folks he says he will only accept evidence from

 

-Party platforms

-Speeches from the PM, or the ministers related to public policy - not some random MP spouting their opinion

-Health Canada or Public Health Agency documents, memorandums, reports

-Statistic Canada reports or statistics

Help me convince this one issue voter (he just wants to get rid of the gun registry)

 

Unionist

He just wants to get rid of the gun registry?

Then let him vote for Harper. Any other party might keep the registry.

 

Anonymouse

Unionist is right. His local NDP MP might vote to get rid of the gun registry but the NDP will never pursue it as an issue.

On the otherhand, the Conservatives haven't been the best allies on the gun registry fight because they're been in power for 5 years and it was only in the last year that they tried anything under the guise of a...private member's bill. WTF?

In some ways this feels like the old Conservative strategy of promising one thing to conservative voters, saying we're the only party that promises it, then dragging their heels implementing it in government. Case in point: Mulroney's party supposedly opposed abortion but they would only hold a vote on it so long as the Liberals controlled the Senate and knew they would block it. Similarly, Conservative MPs have been at pains to explain to social conservatives during this election why they haven't reversed the gay marriage bill, abortion legislation and Harper says he doesn't support this stuff, while still saying "vote for me," "I'm your guy/gal." The fact of the matter is, local MPs are so muzzled, that unless you trust Harper to get the job done, it ain't happening. Same would be true for the gun registy. Will/would Harper actually go through with a vote if he won a majority, or is it the old "trust us" meme. 

Do you want evidence on why the registry should stay or is that not going to help moderate this voter's views?

Fraa4

This voter wants evidence that harper and company are going to scrap healthcare... he's willing to change his vote if I can show him evidence that is not from "leftwing sources' but from "official sources".

Maysie Maysie's picture

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 Need your help folks he says he will only accept evidence from

 -Party platforms

-Speeches from the PM, or the ministers related to public policy - not some random MP spouting their opinion

-Health Canada or Public Health Agency documents, memorandums, reports

-Statistic Canada reports or statistics

GIYF

Unionist

Fraa4 wrote:

This voter wants evidence that harper and company are going to scrap healthcare...

They won't "scrap healthcare". No more than Obama was going to introduce it. Give it up. Let him vote for Harper. I don't like his arrogant demands for "evidence" of some future event. Canada is a big country. We need some small handful of Harper voters. Let him be one of them. Then when Harper "scraps healthcare", we can blame your friend.

 

Soulforger

Does he like the system we have now?

Is he aware of Provincial, regional and urban systems of care?

Someone in a small town may not have a doctor unless they travel over 100km to another community.

Someone in Calgary may only go to a walk in clinic to see a doctor.

Someone in Vancouver may be stuck in a hallway, in an ER, for days.

You won’t find a solid policy to fix this issue in any platform. though the NDP try the hardest to do it. Jack Layton is right when he says we need more doctors and healthcare providers.

Healthcare providers are around the same age as the general population which means they are getting old. As long as the wait lists are now, they will get longer over the next two decades unless the system is overhauled.

Healthcare is one of the largest drivers of the economy in Canada. In British Columbia we spend over 40% of all tax revenue on Healthcare. That is big business.

http://www2.news.gov.bc.ca/news_releases_2009-2013/2010FIN0012-000218.htm

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By 2012-13 the Ministry of Health Services’ budget will increase by over $2 billion from the 2009-10 level. Total health spending will reach $17.9 billion or 42 per cent of all government expenditures over the next three years. Funding increases are focused on sustaining front-line service delivery, including $1.3 billion for the regional health sector to fund acute-care, community, assisted-living and other health services.

This big business needs to be run better and more efficiently or it will bankrupt our Province and Country.

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

Fraa4:

I run into people like this during every campaign. They are ultimately black holes sucking on your time, smile and move on. Their sticking point is, all too often, an excuse to not do the serious work of examining how they have voted in the past and having to confront the fact that they have voted against their own interests. What is so ridiculous about the whole situation is that they usually end up voting for parties that are quite willing to continue the program that they object to so much... It is like the old PCs pandering to the pro-capital punishment vote with no real intention expending the political capital that would be required to bring it back.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

@Fraa4:

Yesterday I was dropping off flyers for Beckie Blakie. I came across an old Ukranian Women, on Alfred street in Winnipeg's North End.

She said she was voting Tory, and started talking about Diefenbaker. I realized she was a real throw back to an earlier age of vote. There were very large numbers of Ukranian immigrants who moved to Winnipeg and into the North End. They were anti communist, and saw the Tories as a bulwark against Communism. My father talked about this all the time, and I realized as I spoke with her exactly why she was voting as she was. My point is, she was never going to vote any other way. I moved on, and so should you. Don't let this person waste your time. Find people who are more likely to be willing to hear what you are saying.

It'll be time better spent. My compliments to you for your passion, but don't let it get misdirected.

Cheers!

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

This new French Conservative ad is offensive and insulting.

I hope other Quebeckers lost their lunch like I did when I saw this last night.

 

http://www.conservateur.ca/multim%C3%A9dia/nos_pubs/duceppe_et_le_bloc_s...