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Krago

DaveW wrote:

btw, would have liked to post that 1972 editorial caricature by Duncan Macpherson, but obviously they are very wary about reprints, rights, etc., so I found nothing to post;

anyone else work some magic for that '72 cartoon?

Here's what I found on the Toronto Star's Pages of the Past for Friday, October 20, 1972:

 

Doug

nicky wrote:

Does anyone know:

1. If there are any Layton rallies in Toronto before the end of the campaign?

2. Where is Layton's party on Monday night?

 

Yes, there is one in Scarborough, 8 PM Sunday at Emily Carr Public School.

The election party on Monday is at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre, beginning 9 PM.

Krago

By the way, May 2 is the 44th anniversary of the Toronto Maple Leafs last Stanley Cup win.  Here's what the front page of the Toronto Star looked like the next day:

I wonder how that whole Rich Little bodyguard thing worked out.

Anonymouse

I fear that with all the attacks coming down on Layton, we will still wake up on May 3rd to Harper as Prime Minister. Layton needs to frame this challenge.

Otherwise, I don't think there will be enough momentum to push Layton over the finish line and Harper will end up governing, with the Liberals in a very weak position as part of some governing arrangement. It is highly likely that the NDP will be the official opposition after this election, but what remains in doubt is whether or not it will have enough seats to argue for (and secure) a governing coalition. Liberals, hold your nose if you must, but the country needs you.

Another option is that Layton needs to find an angle to attack Harper with without going on the negative. Every vote that shifts from the Conservatives to the NDP, closes the gap between those parties by 2. I'm not sure how to do this, but maybe their is a way to frame Harper up for his arrogance, and paint him as part of the (Ottawa) "elite." There is also the Old Stephen Harper line that Layton used at the debate that can be trotted out to say that this time Jack is ready to done the things Harper promised but never got done.

Anonymouse

The NDP has lapsed too much into a Seinfeld campaign and, despite the large rally turnouts, it is time to retake the initiative and kept fighting to the finish for the frame on that final ballot question.

KenS

No matter how well things go, barring an NDP majority, Harper is still PM on May 3rd.

And the odds are better than 50/50 he will still be PM on May 10th. More to the point- how well the NDP does in the election is only factor- it is not determining no matter how well we do, or what we frame and how we frame it.

Moral of story: its an election.

You do the best you can in it. Junkies talk about what happens after, but it can only be part of the narrative in VERY general terms.... none of which are related to strategies, or even very much to narratives about who should govern.

Anonymouse

I think you are wrong KenS. There IS a chance the Liberals would go in to a coalition with the NDP and it is pointless denying it. There is also a chance the Liberals would go in to a coalition with the Conservatives. This is why the seat count on May 3rd matters.

Sean in Ottawa

Wow-- there is precious little to complain about in this NDP campaign

finois finois's picture

i don't know if otherS saw this 5 MINUTES AGO

Don Newman on his show POWER PANEL just basically endorsed JACK LAYTON on CTV

ON HIS LAST WORD!

I AM NOW HALLUCINATING!

Anonymouse

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Wow-- there is precious little to complain about in this NDP campaign

There is also precious little *time* to complain about anything in this NDP campaign. The campaign is essentially over.

Searosia

finois wrote:

i don't know if otherS saw this 5 MINUTES AGO

Don Newman on his show POWER PANEL just basically endorsed JACK LAYTON on CTV

ON HIS LAST WORD!

I AM NOW HALLUCINATING!

 

I've seen both the calgary sun and calgary herald have endorsements (or partial endorsements) for layton as well.  Never seen the Sun (uses red colours) have a mostly orange front page before.  Don't under-estimate the NDP's draw for conservative voters.

SRB

Anonymouse wrote:

The NDP has lapsed too much into a Seinfeld campaign.

I'm just curious, but what do you mean by this?

 

wage zombie

Anonymouse wrote:

Another option is that Layton needs to find an angle to attack Harper with without going on the negative. Every vote that shifts from the Conservatives to the NDP, closes the gap between those parties by 2. I'm not sure how to do this, but maybe their is a way to frame Harper up for his arrogance, and paint him as part of the (Ottawa) "elite." There is also the Old Stephen Harper line that Layton used at the debate that can be trotted out to say that this time Jack is ready to done the things Harper promised but never got done.

I think the story out about Canada being investigated for war crimes is huge, especially with Harper talking about how Layton would tank the country.  Not sure how to do it in a way that isn't an attack.

Anonymouse

SRB wrote:

Anonymouse wrote:

The NDP has lapsed too much into a Seinfeld campaign.

I'm just curious, but what do you mean by this?

 

I mean the NDP campaign has become very good at doing a lot while saying nothing. It is in a holding pattern, not saying anything new to avoid making news. So far it has been working but only works so far as they can keep the momentum. Question is, how do you keep the momentum? Do you stand back and watch the polls move and hope the momentum from the polls carries you through to election day, or do you give the polls little nudges by making subtle shifts in messaging? I think right now the NDP still has faith in the polls movement and thus are going with the "hold back" approach. Maybe they are right. To hedge their bets the NDP has been spending tons of money on advertising and tons of time in the key contests (BC and Ontario) late in the game. I am just in the handwringing game right now, hoping against hope that Harper won't be the next prime minister.

Anonymouse

I think the easiest thing is just to do/say (largely) nothing and get out the vote. So...perhaps the NDP is doing the right thing and showing some political maturity in the process.

They have to keep the energy going, though. So, babblers to the barricades! Tongue out

HornAfrique

WOW Coyne just tweeted that he heard a rumor that the Toronto Star will endorse the NDP tommorow!

edmundoconnor

Anonymouse wrote:

I think the easiest thing is just to do/say (largely) nothing and get out the vote. So...perhaps the NDP is doing the right thing and showing some political maturity in the process.

They have to keep the energy going, though. So, babblers to the barricades! Tongue out

Exactly. And donate, too. I just gave a donation to Mike Sullivan. Every penny helps!

Anonymouse

HornAfrique wrote:

WOW Coyne just tweeted that he heard a rumor that the Toronto Star will endorse the NDP tommorow!

Unbelievable.

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Proxies, ladies and gentlemen.  Proxies.

edmundoconnor

Anonymouse wrote:

HornAfrique wrote:

WOW Coyne just tweeted that he heard a rumor that the Toronto Star will endorse the NDP tommorow!

Unbelievable.

I will believe it when I see it. I think the Star will be going down with the ship.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Does anybody have a link to the data that shows NDP governments are historically the most fiscally responsible? I've got some Con friends I need to show it to.

Thanks in advance if you do.

edmundoconnor

Someone told someone else that somebody else else is going to do something.

HornAfrique

RevolutionPlease wrote:
Does anybody have a link to the data that shows NDP governments are historically the most fiscally responsible? I've got some Con friends I need to show it to. Thanks in advance if you do.

http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2011/04/29/fiscal-record-of-canadian...

 

This was actually a top tweet on Twitter today. Great to see people do not take much stock in lazy partisan attacks.

MegB

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