Head of International Monetary Fund Arrested for Sex Attack

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Slumberjack

If this is French socialism in action, it helps to explain why social philosophers and political theorists in that country never seem to run out of material.

DaveW
Fidel

DaveW wrote:

 

the guy's a Bill Clinton, but he got caught before he became President

end of story

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but the hot-blooded Frenchman/banker/socialist/swarthy Mediterranean type who'd steal your wallet had an extramarital affair before this. And if there was any sex, it was prolly consensual.

The currently alleged rapist is no Newt "I'm a serial adulterer and supreme asshole, too" Gingrich, that's for sure.

doodle21

More bad news for DSK:

Second claim of assault

ABC news

al-Qa'bong

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Oh come on guys, it was oviously a trap, everyone knows Frenchmen can't resist maids...UndecidedWink

 

That's just the type of reaction to this stereotype that the conspirators were counting on.

Fidel

Has this guy been found guilty of rape now or ever?

Tommy_Paine

The hell with him.

Fidel

Hang'im high! Hey I think that was a movie about the wild west.

Fidel

They caught Eliot Spitzer red-handed having sex, too. Wall Street socialists continued on their merry way crooking and robbing clients and millions of Americans after they ended his aspirations for clamping down on big time banksters and other financial fraudsters.

al-Qa'bong

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The IMF chief certainly has enemies in high places who will be cheering his predicament. He had recently broke-free from the "party line" and was changing the direction of the IMF. His road to Damascus conversion was championed by progressive economist Joesph Stiglitz in a recent article titled "The IMF's Switch in Time". Here's an excerpt:

"The annual spring meeting of the International Monetary Fund was notable in marking the Fund's effort to distance itself from its own long-standing tenets on capital controls and labor-market flexibility. It appears that a new IMF has gradually, and cautiously, emerged under the leadership of Dominique Strauss-Kahn.

 

 

Bankers Cheer as IMF Head Faces Sexual Assault Charges

 

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The Socialist politician Jean-Christophe Cambadélis, a close ally of Mr. Strauss-Kahn, said: "In the file, there are a lot of contradictions beginning with the escape, which was acknowledged today didn't happen."

On the Web site of RMC.fr radio, for example, claiming to cite information from Mr. Strauss-Kahn's lawyers, the writers laid out the shape of an alibi - that he checked out of the hotel around 12:30 p.m., returning his keys to reception, and met his daughter for lunch before going to the airport, where he realized he had lost one of his cellphones, and called the hotel to ask that it be returned to him at the airport. The New York police originally estimated the time of the alleged attack on the maid at about 1 p.m., but have since revised it to around noon.

Another question raised was about the timing of the flood of Twitter posts around the scandal, with the first one reportedly sent by a French student who is a member of President Nicolas Sarkozy's center-right party.

It was at 4:59 p.m. New York time that J_Pinet posted this message on Twitter: "A friend in the United States just told me that DSK was arrested by police in a hotel an hour ago."

Twenty-four minutes later, a post by Arnaud Dassier, who ran Mr. Sarkozy's online election campaign in 2007, spread the news further, apparently before any New York newspaper. Mr. Dassier is a shareholder in the Web site Atlantico.fr, which Mr. Strauss-Kahn's allies accused this month of disseminating photographs of him and his wife getting into a Porsche in a bid to tarnish his reputation with common voters.

 

As Case Unfolds, France Speculates and Steams

6079_Smith_W

Can we please stop equating assault with "having sex"? 

 

Fidel

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Can we please stop equating assault with "having sex"? 

Who's equating assault with having sex? Spitzer was caught paying for sex. This is clearly not the same thing in that I don't believe Strauss-Kahn paid for anything but his hotel bill. 

As for allegations that an IMF chief is guilty of sexual assault, they are just that for now, allegations. Keep in mind that these banksters don't think they did anything wrong in crooking and robbing millions of people. And they will fight dirty against any proposals to regulate their financial fraud. 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Oh come on guys, it was oviously a trap, everyone knows Frenchmen can't resist maids...UndecidedWink

 

 

That's just the type of reaction to this stereotype that the conspirators were counting on.

 

Yeah, and it worked brilliantly...

Fidel

It's too bad about the US economy though. Bankrupt of money and morals and all that. And our stoogies in Ottawa tied Canada's economic wagon of fortunes to that wreck. God help us.

6079_Smith_W

Fidel wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Can we please stop equating assault with "having sex"? 

Who's equating assault with having sex? Spitzer was caught paying for sex. This is clearly not the same thing in that I don't believe Strauss-Kahn paid for anything but his hotel bill. 

As for allegations that an IMF chief is guilty of sexual assault, they are just that for now, allegations. Keep in mind that these banksters don't think they did anything wrong in crooking and robbing millions of people. And they will fight dirty against any proposals to regulate their financial fraud. 

You did, as a matter of fact, in claiming that Spitzer did it "too". What is that if not equating the charges with Spitzer's actions. 

And while the rest of Strauss-Kahn's activities certainly do relate to the frenzy in the media, and those who like to see him taken down, it has no bearing on the alleged sexual assault. 

And like the similar spin we saw in the Julian Assange case, I find it really insulting, to the alleged victim, and to the idea of due process.

And whatever else he may have done, I find it insulting to the accused as well. And it sets a dangerous precedent for all of us if it is this easy to throw the law out the window.

NDPP

IMF Chief Claims Consent in Hotel 'Attack'

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/manhatten/seduced_and_she_said_oui_oui_Oj0Z...

"France's leading presidential candidate may have pounced on a Manhatten hotel maid but she wanted it, his lawyer stated in court yesterday.."

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

This man is an asshole I hope they send him to Rickers without any special privileges. This maid wanted it just like his god daughter.  He is irresistible, just ask him he'll tell you. 

This has nothing to do with his being French a socialist of a capitalist Quisling this is about a predatory misogynist who believes he is entitled to molest any woman he desires.

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A local official of the Socialist party claimed that Strauss-Kahn had attacked her daughter, who is goddaughter to Strauss-Kahn's second wife, in 2002.

Tristane Banon was in her 20s and writing a book when she approached Strauss-Kahn for an interview in 2002. In a TV programme in 2007, in which Strauss-Kahn's name had been bleeped out, Banon allegedly described him as a "rutting chimpanzee" and described how she was forced to fight him off. "It finished badly … very violently … I kicked him," Banon said. "When we were fighting, I mentioned the word 'rape' to make him afraid, but it didn't have any effect. I managed to get out."

Banon consulted a lawyer, but did not press charges. "I didn't want to be known to the end of my days as the girl who had a problem with the politician."

Banon's mother, Anne Mansouret, told journalists on Sunday night she had dissuaded her daughter from legal action because she believed Strauss-Kahn's behaviour had been out of character and because of close links with his family. "Today I am sorry to have discouraged my daughter from complaining. I bear a heavy responsibility," she said.

She said Strauss-Kahn was "an otherwise warm, sympathetic and extremely talented man", but the attack left her daughter depressed and traumatised. "My daughter, despite the passing years, is still shocked by these facts. Her life was completely upset by this affair and she was depressed for a long time." She added that it was clear Strauss-Kahn had "difficulty controlling his urges". She said: "I'm not a doctor or psychiatrist, but there is something violent in this predatory move."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/16/dominique-strauss-kahn-trist...

Bacchus

Apparently he has diplomatic immunity if he wants to exercise it. Though apparently now, as i the past, he prefers to fight.

 

Does IMF boss have diplomatic immunity?

 

Uncle John

The New Anti Capitalist Party (NPA) supported the assault on Libya, which may make it Anti-Capitalist, but not necessarily Anti-Imperialist. The NPA is part of the United Secretariat of the Fourth International (USFI).

 

Papal Bull

DaveW wrote:

 

the guy's a Bill Clinton, but he got caught before he became President

end of story

 

No. Bill Clinton got a blowjob under a desk, was questioned about it and lied - and came out of it with a multi-million dollar book deal. This man is accussed of assaulting a woman and attempting to rape her. Regardless of whether these charges are a trumped up, insubstantial or a plot by neo-conservative infighting or whatever else is going on in this thread - this is a case of sexual assault. Since the trial (as Unionist stated) has not yet occurred I am inclined to take a neutral stance on it, but to demean and politicize a very serious crime is not cool.

 

But I'm going to bump out of this thread.

Fidel

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Fidel wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Can we please stop equating assault with "having sex"? 

Who's equating assault with having sex? Spitzer was caught paying for sex. This is clearly not the same thing in that I don't believe Strauss-Kahn paid for anything but his hotel bill. 

As for allegations that an IMF chief is guilty of sexual assault, they are just that for now, allegations. Keep in mind that these banksters don't think they did anything wrong in crooking and robbing millions of people. And they will fight dirty against any proposals to regulate their financial fraud. 

You did, as a matter of fact, in claiming that Spitzer did it "too". What is that if not equating the charges with Spitzer's actions. 

And while the rest of Strauss-Kahn's activities certainly do relate to the frenzy in the media, and those who like to see him taken down, it has no bearing on the alleged sexual assault. 

And like the similar spin we saw in the Julian Assange case, I find it really insulting, to the alleged victim, and to the idea of due process.

And whatever else he may have done, I find it insulting to the accused as well. And it sets a dangerous precedent for all of us if it is this easy to throw the law out the window.

1. Spitzer was taken down because of his political opposition to crooks and fraudsters on Wall Street. That was as obvious as his paying for sex. I had no idea you could be so easily confused with differences between paying for sex, as in Spitzer's case, and an alleged sexual assault in this instance. 

2. Regardless of Strauss-Kahn's legal trouble in the States,  Strauss-Kahn has something in common with Spitzer in that he was promoting regulation of the banksters in addition to international monetary reform away from banksterism.

3. I can honestly say that I do not know whether Strauss-Kahn is guilty of a sex assault without at least a trial and evidence produced first. I think that's reasonable. And I won't be attacking you in kind out of the blue and accusing you of equating sex assault with having sex.

And if you persist, I will be complaining to moderators of this site.

6079_Smith_W

@ Fidel

I have no problem with that. I believe they are aware of this thread already.

 

Tommy_Paine

I think what is lost in the Spitzer example is that he had prosecuted people for the same crimes he took part in.

Last year, Strauss Kahn thought nothing of participating in punishing the Irish people for the crimes of politicians and bankers just so people he rubs elbows with wouldn't have to take a "haircut".   And you should take the time to get to know an ordinary bunch of Irish people and see what that has meant to them just in the short term, let alone the long term.  

Putting aside these current allegations, the man is a criminal.  A sociopath.  He's by no measure "progressive" nor was he (give your head a shake) going to change international finance, nor was he out to.

I do not like Sarkosy, nor others who might be seen to benifit from this turn of events. But that doesn't make Strauss Kahn a poster boy for injustice.  And his enemies do not make me his friend.   And he has access to the very best lawyers, the very best justice money can buy.  

We have much more worthy people to be concerned about. 

Bacchus

And he has diplomatic immunity so he can just walk if he wants to

6079_Smith_W

Tommy_Paine wrote:

We have much more worthy people to be concerned about. 

I am less concerned about him than I am about the alleged victim, and the effect on the court of public opinion if it is suddenly okay to hang someone on one charge, simply because he may be a bad guy in other respects.

Tommy_Paine

No one is going to hang him.   No one, actually, has said he's guilty of this accusation.   It has been said, and I will emphatically say that it is more likely he is guilty of this charge than he is victim of some plot.  

6079_Smith_W

Hang metaphorically, Tommy. 

And I should add putting the issue of violence against women - which is actually the most solid thing in this story - in the back seat, and putting the whole focus on the political machination, is what bugs me most about the treatment of this story.

It is no different here than it was when we were talking about Julian Assange a few months ago.

The real story - the attack charge and the alleged victim -  becomes a secondary sideshow to the trials and tribulations of the great/evil man.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/05/17/imf-resign.html

 

Fidel

Bacchus wrote:

And he has diplomatic immunity so he can just walk if he wants to

And yet he chose to remain and face his accuser. Strange. Does he know something the rest of us don't?

 

Slumberjack

Another sidebar to this horrible attack is the state of French Socialism.  That a man like this could be thought of as next in line for the presidency of that country under a socialist banner no less, speaks to the reason why writers such as Debord and Foucault occasionally surface to detail the surroundings.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Fidel wrote:

Bacchus wrote:

And he has diplomatic immunity so he can just walk if he wants to

And yet he chose to remain and face his accuser. Strange. Does he know something the rest of us don't?

Yes he does. He got it straight from the authorities.

Imagine in most countries in the world he would have been immune.  Maybe he didn't know something.  Maybe he thought he was immune.  

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The State Department said Tuesday that it had wrapped up an intensive legal review to see if Dominique Strauss-Kahn might qualify for diplomatic immunity from charges of sexual assault.

It looks like the head of the International Monetary Fund is out of luck.

“Our understanding is that immunity in this particular case, and, with IMF officials....would only involve their official capacity and carrying out their duties in an official role,” State Department spokesman Marc Toner said during a daily briefing.

According to New York police, Strauss-Kahn was arrested on charges of sexual assault after he attacked a maid at the Sofitel hotel in Manhattan on Saturday.

John B. Bellinger III, who served as State Department legal adviser during the Bush administration, explained in an interview that there is a U.N. convention on privileges and immunities for international agencies that most countries have ratified. It gives the heads of U.N. agencies broad immunity in the countries where they are based.

But the U.S. government never became a party to that treaty. Employees of international agencies are covered by a U.S. statute that gives only limited immunity.

“Under U.S. law, Mr. Strauss-Kahn enjoys immunity only for acts performed in his official capacity, so he would have to argue that his alleged actions in his hotel room were official acts. The U.S. is not party to the treaty which gives the head of the IMF and certain other UN agencies nearly absolute immunity in many other countries,” said Bellinger, who is now a partner at Arnold & Porter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/political-economy/post/imf-chief-wil...

Fidel

6079_Smith_W wrote:

@ Fidel

I have no problem with that. I believe they are aware of this thread already.

 

Just so long as you cease and desist with your insinuation and innuendo, I have no problem either.

I should have said both incidents are of a sexual nature in general and will be more careful using the word "too" in future. 

But I won't tolerate people making insinuations against me. You'll be greeted with fire next time.

Bacchus

The US never ratified the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations or the 1947 Convention on the Privileges and Immunities of the Specialized Agencies?

 

Wow. Thats a surprise

 

That washington article does make an error though. It is true employees of the IMF only have immunity in the course of their dutires but the head of that agency is different as the article I quoted originally mentions. He is not an employee of that agency, he runs it.  Different rules for leaders as opposed to peopns, dont you know.

Fidel

It seems more people are concerned about jumping to conclusions with respect to allegations of a sexual nature than with what Strauss-Kahn was doing in the IMF prior. Strauss-Kahn was temporary head of the IMF, a modern day incarnation of a the 1000 year-old Venetian-Dutch-Anglo and now Anglo-American centric banking system largely responsible for maintaining the majority of humanity in varying states of poverty and economic desperation for the last two hundred years. Strauss-Kahn was recently challenging this old banking cabal to reform itself along more democratic lines.

And all of that, and by "wild coincidence", is now reduced to allegations of sexual assault. And now Mark Carney is rumored to be on the short list for "the nod" to head up the western banking cabal's wing for emergency loans. And this particular clique of appointed central bankers and financiers have nothing to do with democracy or social justice either.

Slumberjack

Fidel, you should know by now, with Obama being a recent stand out example, that individuals presenting a serious challenge to the status quo do not ascend to positions where they might disturb anything.

Weep Not for Strauss-Kahn

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With Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the mere absence of socialism evolved into something much more vigorous: unabashed promotion of global capitalism. After becoming Minister of the Economy, Finances and Industry in 1997, he totally reversed the early Mitterrand direction, carrying out a wave of major privatizations, turning over French telecommunications, steel, aerospace and other key industries to the whims of international finance capital. This was to be expected from the vice president of the high level "Cercle de l'Industrie", which he joined in 1994 at the invitation of Raymond Lévy, then head of the Renault auto manufacturer. In this charmed circle, dedicated to promoting the interests of industry in the European institutions, DSK hung out with the same crowd of top French capitalists whose company so delights Nicolas Sarkozy. Indeed, it is only fair to suggest that Sarkozy chose DSK to head the IMF not only, as is constantly repeated, to keep his rival out of France, but also because the two see precisely eye to eye when it comes to international financial policy.

Consistently, DSK opposed the last Socialist Party reform intended to favor the workers, namely the reduction of the work week to 36 hours adopted in 2002. Having written his doctoral thesis in economics on "human resources", he has argued in favor of both a longer work week and raising the age of retirement, "now that we live a hundred years".

Slumberjack

Fidel, the guy apparently has a track record of attacks and abuse of women.  Maybe in this case it's just his overblown sense of entitlement and an expectation of immunity that did him in.  Fer chrissakes, its not about availability and accessibility, its about power, control and brutality.  You're defending the head of the IMF.  How far would you go in defending fake socialists?

Fidel

Ya well he was distancing the IMF from its long-time policies against capital controls and  oppressive neoliberal notions for "flexible labour markets." It's the same kind of opposition to laissez-faire espoused by old time Marxists and Keynesians alike.

And then he was squashed like a bug.

Happy?

Slumberjack wrote:
Fidel, you should know by now, with Obama being a recent stand out example, that individuals presenting a serious challenge to the status quo do not ascend to positions where they might disturb anything.

That's right. I don't believe the financier oligarchy are offended by sexual improprieties so much as having reformers in their midst. There have been a few stories about Wall Street banksters spending wildly on high priced prostitutes while crooking and robbing millions of people since neoliberal financial deregulation began. A lot of them go home to their wives and families after a night of catting around New York City, a bastion for wild coke sniffing parties and sexual playground for banksters. A lot of them are married and have high priced call girls on speed dial. Why would Strauss-Kahn resort to rape after spending $3000 on a hotel room and with all those other extensive "services" at his disposal for prices he could easily afford? Is Strauss-Kahn experiencing a second puberty with hormones raging out of control, or was he just disappointed with travel expenses to NYC and decided on a quick rape before hopping a plane home? It makes no sense. Bizarro.

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:

Fidel, the guy apparently has a track record of attacks and abuse of women.  Maybe in this case it's just his overblown sense of entitlement and an expectation of immunity that did him in.  Fer chrissakes, its not about availability and accessibility, its about power, control and brutality.  You're defending the head of the IMF.  How far would you go in defending fake socialists?

 

So how many times was this capitalist dog convicted of sexual assault before this newest allegation? He sounds like a wild man and a monster according to you and the Globe.

Slumberjack

Well, hey, how many times do courts of law hear allegations of past 'improprieties' that victims of sexual assault may or may not have engaged in?

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:

Well, hey, how many times do courts of law hear allegations of past 'improprieties' that victims of sexual assault may or may not have engaged in?

I'm just saying it would help out the prosecution a lot if S-K has an actual criminal history of sex assaults. Allegations are certainly tabloid newsworthy but not as strong legally as an actual prior record of convictions.

I dare say the fat-cat banksters must have been terrified at thoughts of being placed on an austere diet of sweeping monetary reform. Capital controls? That's the bankster equivalent to bread and water. They must be thinking Strauss-Kahn is a communist.

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On one side, a black American chamber-maid who brings charges of attempted rape. On the other side, a boss of international capitalism (head of the International Monetary Fund), a white Frenchman, who is the accused. The two of them have equal rights to the presumption of honesty and of innocence.

And yet in France, ministers of State, prominent politicians, on the Right as on the Left, cry "conspiracy" against their good friend Strauss-Kahn, who they admit is an inveterate seducer, but would not be a sexual predator.

They hardly give the benefit of the doubt to this modest black maid of thirty-two years who, if she speaks the truth, had the immense courage to bring charges against one of the powerful of this world, despite all the inherent dangers!

http://nextyearcountrynews.blogspot.com/2011/05/black-chamber-maid-and-b...

Uncle John

Communists seem to be willing to sell out the people just as fast as "Socialists"...

Fidel

An African-American maid? What are the odds in the land 'o the free? Yanquis have come a long way since Orangeburg 1968, for sure. The colour of the street still tends to fade, though, as they climb the floors of tall buildings in America.

Slumberjack

Fidel wrote:
The colour of the street still tends to fade, though, as they climb the floors of tall buildings in America.

With that last statement, it seems that you've been climbing out onto something you shouldn't have.

jas

Tommy_Paine wrote:

And if they wanted rid of him, they could have thrown him under the bus when he got caught in a relationship with a subordinate a while back.

Really? Could they have?

Apparently someone else has come out of the woodwork now with allegations. A novelist.

While it would be fairly easy to believe that something like this could occur, there are some aspects of this story that don't sound realistic. Whether he was a "socialist" or not is irrelevant. That his candidacy presented a threat to an incumbent does make the timing of this very suspicious.

 

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:

Fidel wrote:
The colour of the street still tends to fade, though, as they climb the floors of tall buildings in America.

With that last statement, it seems that you've been climbing out onto something you shouldn't have.

 

Why's that? Is someone suggesting racism in America doesn't exist? Are they suggesting black Americans have equal access to jobs and other opportunities in America same as whites? Last time we checked, African-Americans living in NYC were four times as likely to be jobless as pink people living in the same city. That's what racism looks like in numbers. It's difficult to climb ladders of ruling class success when they're unemployed.

And the ruling class love policies for higher unemployment for a number of reasons. At the most basic level, it creates a lot of desperation among workers who will sometimes do almost anything to put food on the table and threads on their childrens' backs. 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Can I remind everyone that we are dealing with a serious and credible allegation of sexual assault here? When we are cracking jokes and engaging in back and forths with our arch enemies, that reality tends to get lost. I don't see many, if any women, posting in this thread. Can we please try to introduce some feminist analysis in this discussion--it may help dispense with some of the conjectures and gratuitous remarks present in this thread. Thanks.

Fidel

Catchfire wrote:

Can I remind everyone that we are dealing with a serious and credible allegation of sexual assault here? When we are cracking jokes and engaging in back and forths with our arch enemies, that reality tends to get lost. I don't see many, if any women, posting in this thread. Can we please try to introduce some feminist analysis in this discussion--it may help dispense with some of the conjectures and gratuitous remarks present in this thread. Thanks.

 

What else is there to say? He's been accused of sexual assault full stop. And no one seems to be able to find a list of prior convictions.

And if I remember correctly, babblers were told to be careful posting conjecture and heresay regarding an incident when former Ontario AG Bryant murdered a Toronto bicycle courier with his sports car.

This is another politically-charged case according to many opinions.  That may be conjecture as much as presumption of guilt before a trial is, but it's also highly likely in this case.  I apologize if I seem overly realistic about it.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Fidel wrote:
What else is there to say? He's been accused of sexual assault full stop. And no one seems to be able to find a list of prior convictions.

This is the language of courts which have a 5% conviction rate for sexual assault. You are getting it wrong. If you have "theories" and want to be "overly realistic," keep them to yourself. It's fine to preserve the assumption of innocence, but dismissal of this woman's (I repeat) credible allegations is out of order.

 

eastnoireast

would y'all please quit confusing things with your talk about presumption of innocence, due process of law, "who benefits", facts, stuff like that, lol.

 

it's an ol' fashioned public stoning!  git yer souvenir stones here,  $9.98 per metric dozen.

 

Fidel

jas wrote:
 Whether he was a "socialist" or not is irrelevant. That his candidacy presented a threat to an incumbent does make the timing of this very suspicious.

How many socialists with a reformist agenda for the IMF have been accused and convicted of sex assault in the last 20,000 years? And during another meltdown of the ideology no less? Odds that all that happens in NYC, home of fat-cat banksters not keen at all to capital controls proposed by everyone from market Marxists to Keynes and even Dominique Strauss-Kahn? One in a thousand and wild coincidence?

Or is it as someone posted about about sex-addicted Frenchmen or kind of comment that doesn't belong on a progressive social forum?

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