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Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Fidel wrote:

Like Gerrard Winstanley did in his time, we on the left have to strike when the iron is hot. We have to step-up legal and political challenges to the stoogeaucracy in Ottawa. If there is one thing they fear most on the right, it is a well organized political opposition on the left. Steve Harper will have his hands full with the NDP riding him over the next four years, because the NDP has a proven record for opposing these stooges.

Thanks Fidel I needed a good laugh.

Laughing

Personally I hope the NDP caucus is not set upon by mobs inflamed by our lords and masters and then successfully sued by their oppressors for their sins.

Gerrard wrote well but the Diggers are hardly a success story in a parliamentary story.  They were not social democrats and they deliberately broke laws that they didn't believe were just.  Get back to me when you are advocating that the NDP follow its lead on breaking unjust laws.  Then I might think your analogy has some merit.

Appropriating Winstanley as a promotion of the NDP makes me almost as nauseous as hearing Stevie play Imagine.

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A little group of unemployed labourers and landless peasants gathered at St. George’s Hill near Walton-on-Thames in Surrey on April 1, 1649, and began to dig up the common land and prepare for sowing vegetables. Their leaders were William Everard and Gerrard Winstanley. At first their activities aroused curiosity and a certain amount of sympathy but as time went on the local lords of the manor, the gentry, aroused the populace and the mob shut the Diggers up in the church at Walton until they were released by a justice of the peace. Again they were captured by a mob and locked up in the nearby town of Kingston and again released. On April 16 a complaint was laid before the Council of State, who sent two groups of cavalry to investigate.

The captain, Gladman, reported that the incident was trivial and sent Everard and Winstanley to London to explain themselves to Thomas Fairfax. They explained that since the Norman Conquest England had been under a tyranny which was now abolished, but that now God would relieve the poor and restore their freedom to enjoy the fruits of the earth. The two men explained that they did not intend to interfere with private property, but only to plant and harvest on the many wastelands of England, and to live together holding all things in common. They were certain that their example would be followed by the poor and dispossessed all over England, and in the course of time all men would give up their possessions and join them in community.

A month later Lord Fairfax stopped by on his way to London, to see for himself what was happening, and decided it was a matter for the local authorities. In June another mob, including some soldiers, assaulted the Diggers and trampled their crops. Winstanley complained to Fairfax and the soldiers were apparently ordered to leave the Diggers alone. In June the Diggers announced that they intended to cut and sell the wood on the common, and at this point the landlords sued for damages and trespass. The court awarded damages of ten pounds and costs, and took the cows Winstanley was pasturing on the common, but released them because they were not his property.

Perhaps because of the judgment, and because their crops had all been destroyed, the Diggers moved in the autumn to the common of Cobham Manor, built four houses, and started a crop of winter grain. By this time there were over fifty Diggers. When they refused to disperse, Fairfax finally sent troops who, with the mob, destroyed two of the houses and again trampled the fields. The Diggers persisted and by spring they had eleven acres of growing grain and six or seven houses and similar movements had sprung up in Northamptonshire and Kent. The landlord, a clergyman, John Platt, turned his cattle into the young grain and led a mob in destroying houses and driving out the Diggers and their women and children.

On April 1, 1650, Winstanley and fourteen others (Everard, who seems to have been demented, vanishes early in the story) were indicted for disorderly conduct, unlawful assembly, and trespass. There is no record of the disposal of the indictment, but this was the end of the little communist society at Cobham.

This is all there was to the Digger movement, a trivial episode which was a ninety-day wonder in the news sheets when it first started, and which was almost without influence at the time, and easily could have been lost to history — except for the writings of Gerrard Winstanley. All during the course of the experiment he issued a series of pamphlets which, as his ideas rapidly evolved, came to constitute the first systematic exposition of libertarian communism in English.

http://www.cddc.vt.edu/bps/rexroth/communalism4.htm

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Fidel wrote:

Ah! Another one overly obssessed with the one party that has never held power federally. And he advocates for none of the 20 some-odd registered federal parties in Canada. A bit odd even for a shit shoveller.

Fidel you are the worst advertisement for the NDP I have ever encountered.  I think you are actually a right wing troll who is only here to make NDP members look like foolish immature children.  

I have been so obsessed with this party that I have volunteered for years.  Your pissy comments are not only not appreciated they really do a disservice to the real NDP members on this board who seem to be reasonable people for the most part.  

Fidel

Ah! Another one overly obssessed with the one party in Ottawa that has never held power federally. And he advocates for none of the 20 some-odd registered federal parties in Canada. A bit odd even for a muck shoveller.

Northern Shoveller wrote:
Gerrard wrote well but the Diggers are hardly a success story in a parliamentary story. They were not social democrats and they deliberately broke laws that they didn't believe were just.

So why in hell did you mention them then? 

Hint: We're not living in enclosure era England.

Fidel

You make a habit of making pissy comments to me out of the blue. I can tell you enjoy giving more than receiving. Yep, you're a real lefty for sure with considering other people more than yourself.

NDPP

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Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Fidel I quoted Winstanley for his famous line, "they make the laws to chain us well."

Who the fuck are you to attack me for that?  So Fidel which candidate did you volunteer for?  Did you have any kind of organizational role in the campaign?  I think you are not a doer but a bullshitter.  Those of us that do volunteer don't take kindly to being told by jerks that we have to accept the party line without question.  If I had wanted that kind of relationship to a party I would have worked for the Liberals.

Your obsessive attacking of everyone who is the least bit critical of the NDP is pathetic and I am frankly tired of you thinking you can judge others less worthy because they are not sycophants for Jack or anyone else in the hierarchy of the party.

 

Fidel

Northern Shoveler wrote:
Fidel you are the worst advertisement for the NDP I have ever encountered.  [color=red]I think you are actually a right wing troll[/color] who is only here to make NDP members look like foolish immature children.

No I've voted for them and walked a lot of miles plugging for the NDP since I was very young, so feel free to go to hell.

Fidel

Former U.S. congresswoman McKinney speaks on state TV in Libya

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"I want to say categorically and very clearly that these policies of war ... are not what the people of the United States stand for, and it's not what African-Americans stand for," she told state TV.

The former Georgia representative also slammed the economic policies of U.S. President Barack Obama and said the government of the United States no longer represents the interests of the American people.

"Under the economic policies of the Obama administration, those who have the least are losing the most. And those who have the most are getting even more," she said. "The situation in the United States is becoming more dire for average ordinary Americans, and the last thing we need to do is to spend money on death, destruction and war."

Cynthia McKinney speaks out against terrorism.

NDPP

Death Squad Attacks In Libyan 'Rebel' Capital  by Patrick Martin

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/may2011/liby-m23.shtml

"There is a mounting climate of fear and political intimidation in Benghazi, the headquarters of the Transitional National Council, the anti-Gaddafi coalition that is backed by the US, Britain and France in their war against Libya.."

as well as that loathsome lapdog and junior partner  - Canada -

 

NDPP

Libya: NATO Targets Tripoli With Heaviest Strikes Yet

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/853...

"...Officials took western journalists to Tripoli Central Hospital, where a dozen of the injured - all young men - were being treated for minor injuries. They were also shown the bodies of three dead men, all horribly disfigured by blast wounds that left gaping holes to their heads and covered in dust.

Fathallah Salem, 45, said he had brought his elderly mother in, suffering from shock. 'There are people here who live in slums - imagine how terrified they are,' he said. 'Imagine what it's like for our mothers and children. We really thought it was the Day of Judgement.

'To be honest we had our problems with the regime but today we have all become Muammar Gaddafi, we have taken him into our hearts.'"

Canada's NATO General Charles (the Butcher) Bouchard and his cowardly contingent of Canadians who fly unopposed in a sky with no enemies - at work. Paid for with your tax dollars Canada and with the pro-NATO support of your 'loyal opposition' too, who promises to 'change NATO from within'.

 

NDPP

'US Is Violating War Powers Act in Libya' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/181556.html

"The US military's involvement in NATO attacks on Libya beyond May 20 has 'no legal basis' since it is not authorized by Congress, international lawyer Paul Wolf says..."

Ashton Visits Opposition-Held Benghazi

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/181215.html

EU Foreign Policy Chief has held talks with Benghazi Rebels

Slumberjack

NDPP wrote:
Paid for with your tax dollars Canada and with the pro-NATO support of your 'loyal opposition' too, who promises to 'change NATO from within'. 

Just like the bastards have promised to change Canada's version of neo-liberalism from within.  It's not working for the people of Tripoli, and it certainly won't work for the people of Canada.

NDPP

Sure, just like those other pro warmongers in Libya - the 'Socialist' Party of France

 

Barack Obama Visit: David Cameron Vows To 'Turn Up The Heat In Libya'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/8535879/Barack-Ob...

"...They said there would be 'no let up' for Muammar Gaddafi until he stood aside and allowed the Libyan people to choose their own fate."

 

Slumberjack

It's unlikely that we'll need to organize a seance to try and determine what the opposition has in mind with respect to our participation in the latest regime change project.  After all, zombies are technically still alive on some level.

al-Qa'bong

NATO's Feast of Blood

By CYNTHIA McKINNEY

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The sad fact, however, is that it is the Libyans themselves, who have been insulted, terrorized, lynched, and murdered as a result of the press reports that hyper-sensationalized this base ignorance. Who will be held accountable for the lives lost in the bloodletting frenzy unleashed as a result of these lies?

Which brings me back to the lady's question: why is this happening? Honestly, I could not give her the educated reasoned response that she was looking for. In my view the international public is struggling to answer "Why?".

What we do know, and what is quite clear, is this: what I experienced last night is no "humanitarian intervention."

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

That explains the lack of noisy coverage on this issue by the MSM. It's killing in quiet that NATO would like.

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:

It's unlikely that we'll need to organize a seance to try and determine what the opposition has in mind with respect to our participation in the latest regime change project.  After all, zombies are technically still alive on some level.

 

Zombies? What kind of conspiracy theory is this? 

Weren't you one of the ones saying the NDP would never ascend beyond fourth party status? Your crystal ball must be defective.

The two very similar Bay Street parties were voting with one another the same on far too many US and NATO-friendly colonial admin issues overall. The bobsy twin parties of Bay Street in kind supported every type of imperial maneuver in unison, from the CIA's abduction of Haiti's first democratically elected president seven years ago to signing free trade deals with the most anti-union narco-admininstration in the world in Bogota,  to donating Canadian lives to an aggressive US-led combat mission in Kandahar. The problem with Reform Party retreads and that former opposition party propping them up over 80 times with confidence votes is that few Canadians noticed any real differences between them.

Slumberjack

Fidel wrote:
Weren't you one of the ones saying the NDP would never ascend beyond fourth party status?

Never said anything of the sort, and it's never been about where they end up.

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:

Fidel wrote:
Weren't you one of the ones saying the NDP would never ascend beyond fourth party status?

Never said anything of the sort, and it's never been about where they end up.

Well apparently the NDP has moved up two big notches from their comfortably feathered roost at the centre since you wrote those comments in the What'll It Take thread. 

Slumberjack

Predictions are hard to come by aren't they?  Nothing but deck chairs has changed in the meantime.

Fidel

And since the NDP is your favorite topic of discussion for years on end here's another tidbit for you.

The NDP now has the largest number of seats of any opposition party in the history of phony majority government in Canada. How do you like them plucked Rhode Island reds?

 

 

NDPP

NATO Goes Kosovo In Libya  -  by Victor Kotsev

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ME25Ak02.html

"...Although no Western leader acknowledged it at the time, the Kosovo model was on the table from the very start of the Libyan intervention, as was the option of a ground incursion..."

The Anglo-American Military Axis... - by Rick Rozoff, STOP NATO

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24976

"The standard bearers of Anglo-American imperialism in the current epoch, President Barack Obama and Prime Minister David Cameron, met in London on May 25 to discuss the world's two ongoing wars of aggression, those in Afghanistan and Libya, both under the command of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization dominated by Washington and London.

As well as joining a BBQ for American and British troops in the prime minister's haunts, in the gardens of Number 10 Downing Street, the two potentates called for continuing to bomb Libya back to the Paleolithic Age..."

Frmrsldr

NDPP wrote:

NATO Goes Kosovo In Libya  -  by Victor Kotsev

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ME25Ak02.html

"...Although no Western leader acknowledged it at the time, the Kosovo model was on the table from the very start of the Libyan intervention, as was the option of a ground incursion..."

The Anglo-American Military Axis... - by Rick Rozoff, STOP NATO

 

Here's more on this subject:

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/05/26/house-bars-obama-from-sending-ground-...

Will Obama listen to federal lawmakers or continue to snub his nose at them?

NDPP

Welcome To The Violent World of Mr Hopey Changey  - by John Pilger

http://www.johnpilger.com/articles/welcome-to-the-violent-world-of-mr-ho...

"..The assault on Libya, a crime under the Nuremberg standard, is Britain's 46th military 'intervention' in the Middle East since 1945. Like its imperial partners, Britain's goal is to control Africa's oil.."

 

NDPP

Libya Mission Won't Be Open-Ended: PM (and vid)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/05/28/pol-harper-libya-house-...

"Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he is hoping for unanimous consent when Parliament is asked next month to approve a 'reasonable' extension of Canada's military mission in Libya. I think all of the reasons all parties agreed to go into Libya are still present, said Harper."

Frmrsldr

NDPP wrote:

Libya Mission Won't Be Open-Ended: PM (and vid)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/05/28/pol-harper-libya-house-...

"Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he is hoping for unanimous consent when Parliament is asked next month to approve a 'reasonable' extension of Canada's military mission in Libya. I think all of the reasons all parties agreed to go into Libya are still present, said Harper."

Oh, that's just "great" (not.)

NDPP

G8 Summit: Gaddafi Isolated As Russia Joins Demands For Libyan Leader To Go

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/27/g8-gaddafi-libya-russia

"Colonel Gaddafi has been left diplomatically deserted after Russia, his sole international interlocutor joined the rest of the G8 nations in declaring the Libyan leader had lost all legitimacy and had to go.."

The Cluster Bombing of Misrata - The Case Against USA

http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/05/25/the-cluster-bombing-of-m...

"The ongoing HRI investigations of the cluster bombing of Misrata in April 2011 has found convincing evidence the bombing was committed by US naval forces. Civilians were killed in the attacks and the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay condemned 'The reported repeated use of cluster munitions on hearing government forces in their attempt to regain control of the besieged city of Misrata. Out update on the bombing of Misrata shows that NATO admits to bombing using 'certain weapons' within the city of Misrata.."

NDPP

Anatomy Of A Murder: How NATO Killed Qaddafi Family Members  - by Cynthia McKinney

http://warisacrime.org/content/anatomy-murder-how-nato-killed-qaddafi-fa...

"...The neighbor said he found Saif Al Arab in his bedroom underneath the rubble; the three grandchildren were in a different room and they were shredded to pieces. He told of how he picked up as many pieces as he possibly could. He told us there are still pieces there that he could not get.

He asked us to note the smell - not the putrid smell of rotting flesh, but a sweet smell. I did smell it and thought there was an air freshener nearby. It smelled to me of roses.

He asked me why this was done and who are going to hold NATO accountable..."

 

It's one of your Generals in charge Canada. This is a proxy warcrime by one of your officers, authorized by your government, in your name.  [Lt Gen.Charles Bouchard] - what's your answer?

Day 70 of Libyan War: 8,444 NATO Air Missions, 3,229 Combat Flights

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25036

Imperial Takeover: Libya is Now a Humanitarian Disaster (and vid)

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2011/05/imperial-takeover-libya-now-humanita...

NDPP

NATO Failing in Libya, Media Hiding The Truth Says Prof

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/NATO-failing-in-Libya,-media-hiding-the-t...

"For Angelo Del Boca, journalist and Libya expert, the high cost of the No Fly Zone has reduced to nothing any hope to see the blitz against Gaddafi succeed. Instead the war might last several months because the Libyan leader still has troops, weapons, and personal assets worth more than a billion.

'The war is now illegal. Libya is still a sovereign country,' Del Boca said. 'Europe intervened in a war, backing part of the population against the other despite UN resolutions that ban third countries from intervening in civil wars..'

 

NDPP

Libya Says NATO Raids Killed 718 Civilians

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/libya-says-nato-raids-killed-...

Libya accused NATO of killing 718 civilians and wounding 4,067 in 10 weeks of airstrikes, as African efforts for a truce stalled and Italy said Muammar Gaddafi's regime is 'finished'.

 

Libya: SAS Veterans Helping NATO  - by Richard Norten Taylor (and vid)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/31/libya-sas-veterans-misrata-r...

"...Special forces veterans are passing details of the locations and movements of Gaddafi's forces to the Naples headquarters of Lieutenant General Charles ['the Butcher'] Bouchard, Canadian commander of NATO forces, the sources said."

and now corporate mercenaries...

Fidel
NDPP

RT: NATO Deploys Attack Helicopters in Libya (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/nato-libya-helicopter-intervention/print/

"Political author Jean Bricmont said there is no way NATO's actions in Libya can be part of a humanitarian mission. 'I don't see how it can be called a humanitarian mission; they are just taking part in a war with Gaddafi and replacing him by the rebel government, it's as simple as that. They are not protecting civilians anymore - that has been obvious for a long time,' stated Bricmont..."

'West Uses DU in Libya' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/183361.html

Libya: Opposition Arbitrarily Detaining Suspected Gaddafi Loyalists

http://www.hrw.org/node/99471

NDPP

Bishop Decries Bombing of Church, Warns Against Partition of Libya

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=10558

"...We all ask ourselves a question: Why is this happening? We were astonished by the failure of international diplomacy and, perhaps by its prejudice that makes dialogue impossible with the leadership of Tripoli."

Your very own NATO General in charge: Charles 'the Butcher' Bouchard is bombing churches now Canada....just so you can't say you didn't know...

 

please forward to your local Catholic clergyman

NDPP

'We Are Now Under Attack In Libya!'    -   by Cynthia McKinney

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25162

"...What were you doing today between 1:00 and now? The people of Tripoli endure the trauma of repeated bombings..."

NDPP

America's Imperial War on Libya  -  by Stephen Lendman

http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2011/06/americas-imperial-war-on-libya.html

"...In fact, imperial Washington, Britain, France and other involved states [that's you Canada!] ignore humanitarian concerns. They're participating solely for war spoils, whatever share America allows after taking everything it most wants, including another colonial conquest, its resources, material wealth, and sites for one or more new Pentagon bases for greater regional control.."

 

NDPP

Canada's Mad Bomber Charlie 'The Butcher' Bouchard Kills Better For NATO

NATO Intensifies Airstrikes on Libya (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/nato-libya-airstrikes-intensification/

"...Libyan opposition ready for dialogue with Gaddafi - Russian envoy"

NDPP

Two Explosions Rattle Libyan Capital

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/183841.html

"Two heavy explosions have shaken central Tripoli near the residence of Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi following a NATO pledge to continue the airstrikes. Hours before the NATO meeting, Gaddafi said in an audio message broadcast by state television that he would fight on to death. 'Despite the bombings, we will never submit. We have only one choice - to stay.."

Libya Newslinks 8 June 2011

http://williambowles.info/2011/06/08/libya-newslinks-8-june-2011/

NDPP

CIA Chief Casts Doubt on Libya's NTC

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/184029.html

"The head of the American spy agency has voiced concerns that elements within the Libyan opposition leadership in the Transitional National Council may be 'extremists'..."

looks like a split in the US ruling class over Libya perhaps

NDPP

NATO's 'Afrika Korps' Escalates War of Attrition Against Libya  -  by Rick Rozoff: STOP NATO

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25222

"The US dominated military bloc not only acknowledges but fairly boasts of conducting almost 11,000 air missions and over 4,000 combat sorties since March 31. Preceding that, hundreds of air strikes and over 160 cruise missile attacks were launched by the US, Britain, France and other NATO powers.

Altogether, following in the North African footsteps of Napolean Bonaparte's France, imperial Britain, Benito Mussolini's Italy and Adolf Hitler's Germany, Western nations are engaged in the longest war against an African country in modern times and the most intensive armed aggression against one ever.

NATO is deliberately and mercilessly executing a campaign to comprehensively impair the Libyan government's ability to function in any capacity - including providing safety and services to its citizens - in a brutal attempt to convince the population that any alternatives, even the fragmentation of the country and foreign domination and  occupation are superior to continuing to resist an endless reign of terror from the skies..."

our 'representatives' authorize this butchery and destruction, in our name and would have the world believe that we consent to and support this.

 

NDPP

NATO In Libya: The Real Deal with George Galloway (vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/Program/184459.html

George Galloway with David Swanson etc

NDPP

1,000 Bombs Ordered For Libya  - by David Pugliese

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/bombs+ordered+Libya+mission/4940435/st...

"Canada expected to need more laser-guided munitions as conflict continues, and MPs debate Operation Mobile..."

 

Is Tally For Extending Libya Mission 'Substantially Underestimated'? by Jane Taber

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/is-tally-fo...

"Defence Minister Peter MacKay's math is off - way off, according to the Rideau Institute. As MPs prepare to debate extending Canada's mission in Libya on Tuesday, the left-leaning think tank puts the cost between $80-million and $85 million. Mr MacKay, however, estimates a total bill at just $60-million.."

Polunatic2

And if they don't use them in Libya, they can always use them in Syria, Iran, Venezuala or wherever Uncle Sam decides they should be dropped. 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Former Major General Lewis MacKenzie completely eviscerated Canada and NATO on the Libya file on CTV's Power Play. Said recognizing the rebels as the legitimate government is crazy, because we don't know anything about them or even who they are. And said the rebels are causing so many civillian casaulties that R2P should be used to bomb the rebels just to protect the civillians!

NDPP

Canada's Mission in Libya Extended

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/06/14/pol-libya-debate.html

"...Baird also announced that the Canadian government is officially recognizing the National Transitional Council of Libya as the legitimate representative of Libyan citizens. 'Canada is embarking on an enhanced engagement strategy with the National Transitional Council of Libya,' Baird said Tuesday, adding Canada will provide governance expertise to the council.."

Polunatic2

"Governance expertise"? We can help them set up a first past the post voting system for starters. 

NDPP

then move on to how best to 'assume the position' in any negotiations with Big Oil

NDPP

NATO Attacks Ordinary Libyans At Petrol Pump (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/fuel-libya-people-line/

"NATO surrounded us but we should move on,' says a man at a gas station. 'We try to do our best to help people get by, if we give up we'll die. Those seeking to oust Colonel Gaddafi may have been hoping that hardship will make people rise up against their leader. Instead it only seems to be fueling people's hatred toward what they feel is Western imperialism.

'NATO damaged our city destroyed our life,' complains another citizen. 'They told us that they want to save people. Is that the way to save people, tell me? This is just crime.'"

warcrimes and the most serious at that - the waging of aggressive war is the 'supreme' warcrime.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

I am most dismayed at the NDP's acceptance of the de facto change in sovereignty that recognizing the CIA led government implies.  Not a single person in Tripoli was asked whether they wanted to be ruled by a couple of men who spent the last two decades in America.  Apparently for the Neo-DEMOCRATIC Party that is a proper way to have the wealth of a people treated.  

Imagine the idea that someone in another part of the world could say to Canadians in our largest cities that all your Crown assets now belong to a splinter group that has taken over the Maritimes and the off shore oil rigs.  No you don't have a say in who is in charge of those assets and until Harper leaves power we will bomb your cites for your own good.

I was disgusted to listen to politicians of all stripes stand in our House of Commons and pontificate on how they have the right to interfere any place in the world.  We get to be the judge, jury and executioner of foreign leaders.  The right to protect is accepted by Jacks Neo-Democratic party but strangely I don't ever remember the NDP membership passing it as policy.

 

NDPP

Jeffrey Simpson On Why Canada Is In Over Its Head in Libya

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/jeffrey-simpson-on-why-cana...

"Should Canada extend its mission in Libya?

Yes: 24%

No: 64%

Unsure: 12%

Clearly the vote to extend reflects elite interests only not the will of Canadians

 

Polunatic2

What do Canadians know about anything? 

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