Gay Marriage Approved by N.Y. Senate

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Gay Marriage Approved by N.Y. Senate

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By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE and MICHAEL BARBARO Published: June 24, 2011

ALBANY — Lawmakers voted late Friday to legalize same-sex marriage, making New York the largest state where gay and lesbian couples will be able to wed, and giving the national gay-rights movement new momentum from the state where it was born.

Red Tory Tea Girl

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Gay Marriage Approved by N.Y. Senate

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By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE and MICHAEL BARBARO Published: June 24, 2011

ALBANY — Lawmakers voted late Friday to legalize same-sex marriage, making New York the largest state where gay and lesbian couples will be able to wed, and giving the national gay-rights movement new momentum from the state where it was born.

1. Good. This was always bad law and finally there is overwhelming evidence that it hurts many people.

 

2. Same-legal-sex marriage. In a state where you need a major medical procedure done to have your lived gender recognized, this is an important distinction.

 

3. And GENDA, like bill C-389, is where? Oh, right, DOA, because trans rights are a bargaining chip these days, just as they were when a gender identity free non discrimination act was passed, like when bill C-250 was passed, and nothing more.

ocsi

Good news.  This is important and is likely to be a game changer.

Sven Sven's picture

This is fantastic news.  And, amazingly enough, the legislation passed in a Republican-controlled NY Senate.

The fact that this right was established democratically makes its legitimacy unassailable by SSM opponents.

Red Tory Tea Girl

Well, unless that is, they somehow gain control of the state legislature and the governorship... also, perspective, it was the 'right' not to buy an amtrak ticket to connecticut and get married there.

 

Strikes me as a wee bit of a middle-class concern. But hey, why not follow Egale's lead and fight for marriage in Russia instead of the right to medical treatment on demand here?

 

This is constituency politics at its finest. I am oddly happy with the result of the vote and bitter about the process. Never been an ends-justify-the-means kind of pol... which is why people tend not to like me.

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[bagkitty, in his role as the little dark cloud that appears to rain on the parade]

Hey, I am all happy and shit that this passed (I am happy any time any state actor removes a barrier to equal treatment under the law to anyone) but I think we should all be paying attention to the extension of religious privilege that has accompanied it. The negotiations that finally allowed the bill to pass the NY Senate saw a major extension of privilege under the guise of protecting religious rights.

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S 10-B. RELIGIOUS EXCEPTION.

1. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY STATE, LOCAL OR MUNICIPAL LAW, RULE, REGULATION, ORDINANCE, OR OTHER PROVISION OF LAW TO THE CONTRARY, A RELIGIOUS ENTITY AS DEFINED UNDER THE EDUCATION LAW OR SECTION TWO OF THE RELIGIOUS CORPORATIONS LAW, OR A CORPORATION INCORPORATED UNDER THE BENEVOLENT ORDERS LAW OR DESCRIBED IN THE BENEVOLENT ORDERS LAW BUT FORMED UNDER ANY OTHER LAW OF THIS STATE, OR A NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION OPERATED, SUPERVISED, OR CONTROLLED BY A RELIGIOUS CORPORATION, OR ANY EMPLOYEE THEREOF, BEING MANAGED, DIRECTED, OR SUPERVISED BY OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RELIGIOUS CORPORATION, BENEVOLENT ORDER, OR A NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION AS DESCRIBED IN THIS SUBDIVISION, SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SERVICES, ACCOMMODATIONS, ADVANTAGES, FACILITIES, GOODS, OR PRIVILEGES FOR THE SOLEMNIZATION OR CELEBRATION OF A MARRIAGE. ANY SUCH REFUSAL TO PROVIDE SERVICES, ACCOMMODATIONS, ADVANTAGES, FACILITIES, GOODS, OR PRIVILEGES SHALL NOT CREATE ANY CIVIL CLAIM OR CAUSE OF ACTION OR RESULT IN ANY STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACTION TO PENALIZE, WITHHOLD BENEFITS, OR DISCRIMINATE AGAINST SUCH RELIGIOUS CORPORATION, BENEVOLENT ORDER, A NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION OPERATED, SUPERVISED, OR CONTROLLED BY A RELIGIOUS CORPORATION, OR ANY EMPLOYEE THEREOF BEING MANAGED, DIRECTED, OR SUPERVISED BY OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RELIGIOUS CORPORATION, BENEVOLENT ORDER, OR A NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION.

2. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY STATE, LOCAL OR MUNICIPAL LAW OR RULE, REGULATION, ORDINANCE, OR OTHER PROVISION OF LAW TO THE CONTRARY, NOTHING IN THIS ARTICLE SHALL LIMIT OR DIMINISH THE RIGHT, PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION ELEVEN OF SECTION TWO HUNDRED NINETY-SIX OF THE EXECUTIVE LAW, OF ANY RELIGIOUS OR DENOMINATIONAL INSTITUTION OR ORGANIZATION, OR ANY ORGANIZATION OPERATED FOR CHARITABLE OR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, WHICH IS OPERATED, SUPERVISED OR CONTROLLED BY OR IN CONNECTION WITH A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, TO LIMIT EMPLOYMENT OR SALES OR RENTAL OF HOUSING ACCOMMODATIONS OR ADMISSION TO OR GIVE PREFERENCE TO PERSONS OF THE SAME RELIGION OR DENOMINATION OR FROM TAKING SUCH ACTION AS IS CALCULATED BY SUCH ORGANIZATION TO PROMOTE THE RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES FOR WHICH IT IS ESTAB LISHED OR MAINTAINED.


[emphasis added]

There is an excellent piece on the potential consequences of this so-called "compromise" over religious rights over on Towleroad. It boils down to wondering how much of a victory this particular vote is -- it is all well and fine to be allowed to enter in the same civil contract that other citizens are allowed to, but not so much of a victory to be able to call your partner your spouse, and yet run the risk of still being denied visitation rights if they are hospitalized.

TowleroadArticle wrote:

This appears to be what I was worried about. In New England and in the Mid-Atlantic states (as, I am sure, elsewhere), we have lots of hospitals connected to religious orders (I was born in one!), which could "tak[e] such action" to promote their religious principles by denying spousal visitation rights to legally married same-sex spouses. On the other hand, hospitals with emergency rooms still have to take patients as they come; but it seems that a hospital that treats a gay man, but refuses to let his spouse sit by his death bed, would not be in violation of this law. Thoughts?

An exemption that would allow the theological concerns of the "religious" to be allayed [i.e., explicitly spelling out that there can be no compulsion of any cleric to perform a marriage ceremony that goes against the dogma of the sect, and, by extension, the right of the sect to refuse admission into their place of worship of those who would ritually "pollute" the space] is something that can be defended as a religious right. Anything more than that is merely enshrining privilege... and that is a shameful thing.

[/bagkitty, in his role as the little dark cloud that appears to rain on the parade]

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Congratulations NY!

 

Empire State Rainbow

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

With regard to Bagkitty's comment, obviously the struggle continues, and, probably, the religious will have to be shamed into change. Perhaps this is just the first of many steps.

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Is the new law perfect, Bagkitty?  No.  But, few, if any, human creations are.

But, from my perspective, it's a substantial and meaningful step in the right direction, even though there's always room for improvement.

Red Tory Tea Girl

I think, Bagkitty, that the law will be seen, as with all non-discrimination laws, to only apply to their right not to sanctify a marriage. Religious groups have had those rights, but not the right to refuse to serve people so covered. When forced to do so, they often do, if they depend on the funding, or they shut down.

 

So no, the church will not have licence to discriminate like, say, Vancouver Rape Relief does.