continues from here:
http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/libya-14
Libya 15
Fri, 2011-08-19 12:42
#1
Libya 15
Fri, 2011-08-19 13:01
#2
NATO Bombs UNESCO Heritage Site in Libya
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/08/18/54821739.html
"NATO aircraft have bombed the unique ancient city of Leptis Magna in Libya. Leptis Magna is a UNESCO World Heritage site famous for its antique Roman architecture..."
all targets are approved and signed off by NATO's Canadian butcher-boy, Lt General Charles Bouchard. (see Libya 14)
Libyan Deaths, Media Silence: Were Dozens Killed in Majer airstrikes/
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4379
Reporting that undermines Libyan claims of civilian casualties has been a staple of the war so far. Is Majer being ignored by the media because it is just more clumsy Libyan propaganda? Or is it because the story might conflict with the media's overriding message that Libyan civilians aren't dying in NATO's airstrikes?"
These denials are standard NATO operating procedure, and the same modus operandi was practised in Serbia and Afghanistan - because, as everyone knows, the follow-up reports confirming these casualties, if filed at all, never get the prominence that the initial reports of NATO denials.
Fri, 2011-08-19 21:47
#3
The battle for Tripoli is about to start. It seems that foreign workers are scrambling to get out. The city is basically surrounded by the rebels (freedom fighters!).
New Fighting Outside Tripoli as Foreigners Seek an Exit
By KAREEM FAHIM and RICK GLADSTONE
Published: August 19, 2011
ZAWIYAH, Libya — Rebel soldiers fought running street battles on Friday with troops loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi in the heart of this strategically important city, just a half-hour’s drive from the Libyan capital of Tripoli, and there were new signs that worried foreigners in Tripoli were urgently trying to leave.
But rebel forces maintained complete control of the sprawling oil refinery here that they seized Thursday after three days of fighting. They also consolidated their hold on the vital highway from Tunisia to Tripoli and were staffing checkpoints on other roads leading out of Tripoli toward rebel-held areas.
With conditions deteriorating in Tripoli, with mounting food and gasoline shortages, thousands of foreign nationals there are now requesting assistance to leave the country, a major intergovernmental relief group that assists migrants reported Friday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/world/africa/20libya.html?_r=1&hp
Sat, 2011-08-20 04:31
#4
Washington Tried to Snatch $1.5 Billion to Pay its CNT Employees - by Thierry Meyssan
http://www.voltairenet.org/Washington-tried-to-snatch-1-5
"The United States tried to seize on Monday $1,500,000,000 dollars owned by the Libyan state, but at the last minute South Africa got in its way..."
Sat, 2011-08-20 08:57
#5
Looks like the Libyan freedom fighters will be in Tripoli soon. Their march to victory shows no signs of slowing down. In many ways it's similar to Fidel Castro's victory in Cuba. He commanded an army to overthrough a violent and repressive dictator. Now Libya will be free.
Libyan rebels close in on Gadhafi; former deputy defects
Libyan rebels battling Moammar Gadhafi's troops along the country's Mediterranean coast said they have captured all of the strategic eastern port city of Brega, which has repeatedly changed hands in the 6-month-old civil war.
Rebels closed in on Col. Gadhafi, pushing back his fighters in a fierce battle in one key coastal city and seizing another town as they advanced toward his remaining bastion, the capital of Tripoli.
The territory remaining under Col. Gadhafi's control has been shrinking dramatically in the past three weeks, with opposition fighters moving closer to Tripoli, a metropolis of 2 million people, from the west, south and east.
At the nearest point, rebel fighters are just 50 kilometres west of Tripoli, in the coastal city of Zawiya, where battles raged Friday over control of the city center. Col. Gadhafi's forces pounded rebel-held areas of the city with rockets, mortars and anti-aircraft fire, but by nightfall were pushed out of a multistory hotel on the square.
NATO's bombing campaign has made it difficult for the regime to send massive reinforcements to Zawiya, enabling the rebels to maintain a hold over much of the city, their biggest prize in months.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/libyan-rebels-c...
Sat, 2011-08-20 10:33
#6
Libyan oil minister defects as rebels seize key town of Zawiya
Rats fleeing a sinking ship.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/libyan-oil-mini...
Sat, 2011-08-20 10:35
#7
Bec.De.Corbin
Libya rebels capture coastal city of Zawiya
Libyan rebels are in full control of the strategic western city of Zawiya, pushing Moammar Gadhafi's troops back on the road east to Tripoli.
An Associated Press reporter on Saturday visited positions held by Gadhafi troops over the past week - all of which are now under rebel control.
Sat, 2011-08-20 10:47
#8
I wonder if Gaddafi's hiding in some sort of Fuhrer-bunker. Maybe he'll do an Adolph and save the world a trial.
Sat, 2011-08-20 11:25
#9
What about NATO's Canadian butcher-boy General Charles Bouchard? Shouldn't he go to trial for his warcrimes?
Sat, 2011-08-20 11:31
#10
Unfortunately, this action is approved by the UN, so it seems unlikely anyone from the freedom fighter's side (including NATO) will be required to expalin their actions.
Sat, 2011-08-20 15:33
#11
"freedom fighter's side (including NATO)" - you've either been drinking too much of the domestic media purple coolaid or you're a real joker WM
Hopes and Doubts in Washington: Waiting for the Endgame in Libya - by Franklin Lamb
http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb08192011.html
"President Obama is said to be 'hands on' and is closely following NATO's use of 'all necessary measures to protect civilians'. NATO bombing here, including this morning's 5 AM seven bomb drop near my hotel, has become a cruel hoax for the people of Libya and all who reject the claimed right of NATO to 'destroy as a necessity to save and protect.'
NATO insiders have advised Congressional staffers recently that the apparent eternal US armed 'coalition of the willing' cannot afford another humilitation from its point of view, given Iraq and Afghanistan, so NATO has no plans to stop the bombing until one of three events occur. These three in order of NATO preference are:
Gaddafi is killed, Gaddafi 'surrenders', or Gaddafi flees Libya.
CNN just this morning aired a downright balanced report about how NATO's claim that it is protecting Libyan civilians are dubious and in fact the main cause of civilians being slaughtered here is NATO sorties, now nearly 20,000 with more than 8,000 bombing sites.."
Press Conference Moussa Ibrahim, August 19 - Zlitan in Green Hands (and vid)
http://waterput.yolasite.com/english/press-conference-moussa-ibrahim-aug...
"Together with the merciless bombing by NATO of all those who oppose their Rebels on the ground, it seems to make it all a very unfair and internationally illegal war. But since the stakes are so high, we hardly hear anyone complain [especially in Canada!]. They prefer to repeat that Gadhafi is losing and has no support in the country, to hide the reality that many people DO support him and that NATO is creating situations in which the Rebels are allowed to kill off their fellow Libyans in street to street battles, with NATO slaughtering all opposition with their helicopters and warplanes..."
Sat, 2011-08-20 15:41
#12
Unfortunately, this action is approved by the UN, so it seems unlikely anyone from the freedom fighter's side (including NATO) will be required to expalin their actions.
'Freedom fighters' WilderMore? I'm sorry but your regrets look a little hollow to me.
Winners always decide who the 'war criminals' are or aren't, but NATO has clearly gone well beyond the limited mandate they were given. For that they could be charged --at least by the standards the UN was mandated to adhere to.
Sat, 2011-08-20 18:40
#13
Fighting is taking place in Tripoli itself. Freedom fighters made a beach landing and liberation cells within the capital rose up as well. Looks like Gaddhafi is finished very soon.
Gunfire, explosions rock Tripoli as Libyan rebels near capital
Heavy gunfire and explosions rattled the Libyan capital Saturday after rebels seized control of a major coastal city just west of Tripoli. Rebel commanders said the firing in the capital signalled the start of an attack on Moammar Gadhafi's main stronghold.
Gun battles and rounds of mortar shelling were heard clearly at the hotel where foreign correspondents stay in the capital. Also, NATO aircraft carried out heavy bombing runs after nightfall.
Colonel Fadlallah Haroun, a rebel military commander in their stronghold of Benghazi, said this marks the beginning of Operation Mermaid — a nickname for the capital city — an assault on Tripoli co-ordinated with NATO.
Col. Haroun told The Associated Press that weapons were assembled and sent by tugboats to Tripoli on Friday night.
“The fighters in Tripoli are rising up in two places at the moment — some are in the Tajoura neighbourhood and the other is near the Matiga [international] airport,” he told the Arabic satellite channel Al-Jazeera.
The head of the National Transitional Council said the date of August 20 was chosen to co-ordinate with the ancient Muslim Battle of Badr, when Muslims conquered the holy city of Mecca in A.D. 624.
“We planned this operation with NATO, our Arab associates and our rebel fighters in Tripoli and commanders in Benghazi,” he said.
Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim appeared on Libyan television to deny that there was an uprising in Tripoli.
“Sure, there were some armed militants who escaped into some neighbourhoods and there were some scuffles, but we dealt with it within a half hour and it is now calm,” he said.
Rebels fighting to oust Gadhafi have scored a number of victories in the six-month civil war, only to see towns fall out of their hands. Now the momentum appears to have firmly swung in the opposition's favour after months of near-deadlock.
Rebel fighters said Col. Gadhafi's troops put up little resistance before fleeing their posts in Zawiya's hospital and multistory buildings around the main square — another sign suggesting that the Libyan dictator's 42-year-old regime is crumbling.
Trucks and cars packed with rebels as well as civilians drove around Zawiya's central square, honking horns, flashing V-for-victory signs and yelling “Allahu akbar” or “God is great!” An ambulance crew posed for photos on the sidewalk while a rebel called through a loudspeaker on his truck, “Zawiya is liberated!”
Still, regime troops kept firing rockets and mortars at Zawiya from positions in the east even after rebels said they drove them out, and thunderous booms echoed across the city. The central hospital was hit by mortar rounds early Saturday, several hours after it was taken by rebels. The attack badly damaged the operating rooms, punching a hole into one of the outer walls. Metal slats from the ceiling were strewn across the floor, and soot covered the operating tables.
Rebels fighting to oust Col. Gadhafi have scored a number of victories in the six-month civil war only to see towns fall out of their hands. But the momentum appears to have firmly swung in the opposition's favor after months of near-deadlock, with the rebels holding much of the east and the Libyan regime in the west.
“Gadhafi's days are numbered,” U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman said during a visit to the de-facto rebel capital of Benghazi. “The best case scenario is for Gadhafi to step down now ... that's the best protection for civilians.”
The Libyan leader has appeared increasingly isolated in recent weeks as opposition fighters advanced on Tripoli, a metropolis of 2 million people, from the west, south and east and gained control of major supply roads into the capital.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/gunfire-explosi...
Sat, 2011-08-20 20:16
#14
It seems this thread has been taken over by the cheerleaders of the war criminals.
This is a shameful moment in our history, as our butcher general orders the bombing of world heritage sites and civilian centres -- probably with DU.
What liberators? The Islamic fundamentalists who fought in Afghanistan and until yesterday were "our enemies"? The tribe of King Ydris,whom Qaddafi deposed to turn Libya into a republic? The opportunists who defected from the government the minute NATO got involved and threatened to bring down Qaddafi? The collaborators who sat in Virginia and the UK awaiting the go-ahead from their handlers to emerge as "democratic leaders" like El-Maliki or Karzai?
Qaddafi was/is a strongman. So what? He distributed the wealth from nationalized oil (which will no doubt end up in corporate hands, like the oil of Iraq) and provided universal health care and education, including free higher education. Women's equality was advanced considerably. The various tribes with historical differences were put on a level playing field and consulted routinely. It was a far from perfect system, but it certainly has always looked better than the brutal and infinitely more corrupt regimes of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrein, the Emirates, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Jordan... the list is pretty long. Give me a break.
Libya, along with Iran and Venezuela, are the three countries within OPEC who represent national interests over the demands of the industrialized world and the hegemonic powers. The elimination of Qaddafi is part of the scheme to de-claw OPEC.
He advocated the unity of Africa at a time when AFRICOM and the governments of the US, Europe, the UK and Canada were working to reduce the continent to a pathetic patchwork of continuously warring factions and states, to increase their arms markets and ensure easier access to natural resources. He had supported the Palestinians for a long time --something the west and Israel would never forgive-- and started to buckle after the Lockerbie bombing and its aftermath (and that bombing might not have been a Libyan plot, but since the flimsy evidence was accepted by the British courts and other evidence was not pursued, history will record it as such).
No one should have the gall to cheer the fall of Tripoli and the destruction of archaelogical sites and the dismantling of a modern socialist state. These would presumably be the same people who cheered for the destruction of Yugoslavia, first through the secession of Croatia and the attack on Serbs, then the criminal bombing of Belgrade and then through the support of the criminals of the KLA for the secession of Kosovo.
Where are the moderators of these threads?
Supporters of this war crime should be barred from rabble.
Sat, 2011-08-20 21:04
#15
NDPPSupporters of this war crime should be barred from rabble.
it's ndp approved - they'd have to close this place down...
Sat, 2011-08-20 21:06
#16
No one is supporting war crimes.
Sat, 2011-08-20 21:18
#17
Libya: More People Killed in Continuing NATO Air Raids on Tripoli
http://afriquejet.com/nato-air-raids-tripoli-libya-2011082020955.html
"Many people were killed on Friday in an air-raid by NATO on the residential district of Al Aqwakh in Tripoli. The airstrike also hit a drug warehouse, a private hospital for heart treatment, as well as a mosque.."
Lt. Gen Charles Bouchard Named as Number One Man Responsible for War Crimes in Libya - by Robert Tilford
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/9884635-lt-gen-charles-bouchar...
"He is the military commander who ultimately selects and authorises strikes by NATO warplanes. As such he has become a special target for those seeking to bring war crimes charges against members of the military serving in NATO operations in Libya, which has killed thousands of civilians and most recently bombed a water pipeline that serves 70% of Libya with fresh water..."
Sat, 2011-08-20 22:28
#18
RT: Eyewitnesses Dismiss Rebel Advances on Tripoli as Misinformation. (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/rebels-attack-tripoli-misinformation-795/
"Political analyst Mahdi Nazemroaya of Global Research says that the gunfire in the Libyan capital is sporadic and disorganised, and that its main purpose is to break down the morale of the population. 'The main point of the attackers in Tripoli is to break down the morale here and cause panic. The media here at the hotel are part of this disinformation campaign,' he said.
'They just want to feed the panic here and want the regime to collapse. They are fueling and feeding this."
Sat, 2011-08-20 22:34
#19
Thanks, NDPP. What you quoted requires no explanation. WilderMore could look up the Geneva Convention and the U.N. Charter, however, where the pesky legalities are spelled out.
As for the New Democratic Party (you know, the one that doesn't want to be mistaken for a Socialist party), I didn't know they owned rabble.ca.
Sat, 2011-08-20 22:47
#20
NDPPNo one is supporting war crimes.
Have you lifted a finger to express any opposition to our role there? Any protests, phone-calls, emails to representatives? Anything? Silence is complicity and there's more of that in this country than anything else. That's precisely why we are where we are today. We have become a nation of servile, idiotic powder-monkeys and water-carriers for fascists, Zionists and imperialist warmongers -while still nurturing the mythology that we are a nation of 'nice', 'peaceful', 'progressive' free people. Time to put up or shut up Canada. Do something, anything to register your opposition to this evil war against the Libyan people to steal their resources and impose upon them yet another Western criminal, comprador regime.
Sat, 2011-08-20 22:59
#21
Bec.De.Corbin
Oh for fucks sake. I think calling for mods to ban people is just a lame style of whining. For some bazaar reason it seems to repeatedly come from the same handful of people here.
There IS heavy fighting going on in Tripoli... calling for people here to be banned just for reporting it is bullshit.
Supporting the Libyan rebels is not supporting war crimes... NATO be dammed.
Sat, 2011-08-20 23:07
#22
Bec.De.Corbin
this evil war against the Libyan people to steal their resources and impose upon them yet another Western criminal, comprador regime.
That's your opinion of what's going on in Libya... it would seem not everyone shares that view. Some people are more optimistic than you.
Sat, 2011-08-20 23:22
#23
"Optimistic?" Seriously? After Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, 'optimistic's one way of putting it, I guess. I do agree with you on one thing though - calling the mods would be completely unhelpful - the Babble version of 'humanitarian intervention' eh Bec? CAW! 
ps I also agree with you contra the NDP: "NATO BE DAMMED!"
Sat, 2011-08-20 23:51
#24
Tunisia Recognizes Libya's TNC
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/194930.html
"On Saturday, the Tunisian Foreign Ministry recognized the Benghazi-based NTC as the sole legitimate representative of the Libyan people..."
ah yes, and from the birthplace of the 'Arab Spring' too...
Sun, 2011-08-21 01:40
#25
Unfortunately, this action is approved by the UN, so it seems unlikely anyone from the freedom fighter's side (including NATO) will be required to expalin their actions.
Technically it's not.
The U.S. and NATO, by bombing (attacking) "civilians and civilian areas" (UNSCR 1973 wording) have violated UNSCR 1973 and are thus guilty of waging a War of Aggression, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Sun, 2011-08-21 01:50
#26
No one is supporting war crimes.
WAR is a crime.
This one is no exception.
Sun, 2011-08-21 08:41
#27
Q.: If you have been the total dictator of your country for 40+ years, what are the 6 words you least want to hear?
A.: "rebels may soon control the airport".
Coming soon to a capital near you:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/20/libya-gaddafi-tripoli-escape-reports
The fighting in Tripoli comes after days of battlefield defeats left Muammar Gaddafi's government and troops penned ever more tightly in the besieged capital. Although the scale of the clashes was impossible to determine, there were widespread claims among the Libyan rebels that Gaddafi's 41-year rule was edging ever closer to collapse.
As gunfire was still audible outside, a government spokesman, Moussa Ibrahim, told reporters the incidents were "isolated" and short-lived. He blamed "armed gangs" of a few dozen rebels who had sneaked into Tripoli, including foreign mercenaries, some of whom had been captured.
"Sure, there were some armed militants who escaped into some neighbourhoods and there were some scuffles, but we dealt with it within a half hour and it is now calm," the spokesman said.
He added: "I ensure Libyans that Gaddafi is your leader ... Tripoli is surrounded by thousands to defend it." 
Sun, 2011-08-21 13:38
#28
It's amazing how quickly Gadhafi's troops are retreating from the freedom fighters. And that's good; less chance for bloodshed all around. Unless the plan is to turn Tripoli into some sort of Stalingrad.
"Libyan rebels captured a major military base that defends Moammar Gadhafi's stronghold of Tripoli as clashes and protests raged in the streets of the capital on Sunday.
An Associated Press reporter with the rebels rapidly advancing toward Tripoli saw them take over the base of the Khamis Brigade, 25 kilometres west of the capital. After a brief gunbattle, Gadhafi's forces fled.
Gadhafi's 27-year-old son Khamis commands the 32nd Brigade, also known simply as the Khamis Brigade, one of the best trained and equipped units in the Libyan military.
Mahmoud al-Ghwei, 20 and unarmed, was among those who reached the base with the rebels. He said he just came along with a friend because they want to ride into Tripoli with the advancing force.
"It's a great feeling. For all these years, we wanted freedom and Gadhafi kept it from us. Now we're going to get rid of Gadhafi and get our freedom.""
http://livenews.thestar.com/Event/Live_Libyan_rebels_near_Tripoli_as_Gad...
Sun, 2011-08-21 16:07
#29
Le Monde: battle of Tripoli now under way,
live blog follows developments, as int'l reporters blog and tweet from Rixos hotel with gunfire heard on all sides:
NY Times, similar reports:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/latest-updates-on-the-battle-for-tripoli/
The Associated Press reported that the rebels advancing from the west are now in Janzour, which is about 7 miles from the capital. The A.P. writes:
Euphoric Libyan rebels have pushed to the western outskirts of Tripoli without meeting any resistance after they overran a major military base that defends the capital.
Associated Press reporters with the rebels said they reached the Tripoli suburb of Janzour around nightfall Sunday. They were greeted by civilians lining the streets and waving rebel flags.
Sun, 2011-08-21 17:55
#30
Bec.De.Corbin
Libyan rebels say Gadhafi's son arrested
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) - A Libyan rebel leader says Moammar Gadhafi's son and one-time heir apparent Seif al-Islam has been arrested.
Sidiq al-Kibir, the rebel leadership council's representative for the capital Tripoli, confirmed the arrest to The Associated Press on Sunday but did not give any further details.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) - Libyan rebels have entered the capital Tripoli and are within two miles of the city center.
Associated Press reporters with the rebels said they met little resistance Sunday as Moammar Gadhafi's defenders appeared to melt away.
LIVE: The BBC is saying the Rebels are over running the city... Tripoli is falling without much of a fight for now.
Gadhafi is done for.
Sun, 2011-08-21 18:21
#31
RT:Rebels Capture Key Military Base Near Tripoli (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/tripoli-battle-libya-rebels-623/
"We have talked to rebels who want negotiations,' said Lamb, who is now in Tripoli. 'They don't want to kill their Libyan brothers and sisters. NATO has forbidden that. This is NATO's campaign. They need Gaddafi dead or out of the country, so that they can claim a victory. In a sense, NATO is using the rebels as pawns. And when this is over, depending on which way it plays out, I think there will be enormous infighting.."
Libya and the Need for a New World Order by Timothy Bancroft Hinchey
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/20-08-2011/118806-libya_orde...
"It does not make sense to say let us wait for the end of the Libya conflict to discuss where we are and where we want to go - it makes great sense to discuss it right now, for the hearts and minds of the international community are seething with rage at what our planet has so obviously become...
The sinister clique of lobbyists who NATO serves as their armed wing, and who are our elected representatives, serve as the 'marketing department' and nothing more...So, this is not democracy, for our representatives do not represent our will and our world is not ruled from an egalitarian perspective...
It is more than apparent that our dearly beloved and elected leaders, as a whole, while there are exceptions, have failed us wholly and completely. Did you vote for NATO? Then why does it control your foreign policy?
Sun, 2011-08-21 18:28
#32
Latest news from Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya in Tripoli:
"Tripoli has been the object of extensive bombings of residential areas, creating an atmosphere of panic. Meanwhile, rebel forces have entered into Tripoli and there is fighting in the downtown area. Rebel forces are not the decisive factor. The decisive factor is the extensive NATO bombings.
Rebels are few in number. One suspects that highly trained NATO Special Forces are operating covertly within rebel ranks.."
JTF2 anyone?
Sun, 2011-08-21 19:27
#33
It's over. Gaddafi's guards have gone over to the freedom fighters' side, his son has been arrested.
"
Euphoric Libyan rebels moved into the capital Tripoli on Sunday and moved close to centre with little resistance as Moammar Gadhafi's defenders melted away. The opposition's leaders said Colonel Gadhafi's son and one-time heir apparent, Seif al-Islam, has been arrested.
A rebel leader said the unit in charge of protecting Col. Gadhafi and Tripoli had surrendered and joined the revolt, allowing the opposition force to move in freely."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/rebels-close-in...
Sun, 2011-08-21 20:14
#34
laine lowe
On our way home from a friend, we saw a car drive by honking its horn with a crescent moon/star flag waving out the window. My partner said, "What do you think that's about?". I said it was probably the fall of Gadhafi. I'm thinking I was right.
Sun, 2011-08-21 20:29
#35
Aug 20 - Libya Asks UN to Probe NATO 'Abuses'
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE77J04120110820
[Libyan Prime Minister] Mahmoudi asked for "a high level delegation..to visit Libya as soon as possible and look closely at NATO abuses and what is happening in Libya and discuss a solution between Libyans themselves without foreign interference,' JANA reported.."
Sun, 2011-08-21 20:29
#36
Rebels have entered the Green Square in Tripoli. Huge celebrations in both Benghazi and Tripoli on al-Jazeera. It's not over, but the end is inevitable now. Libyans are bad ass.
Let's review:
- Benghazi and tens of thousands of freedom fighters have been saved from slaughter.
- One of the world's most oppressive dictators is gone from power forever.
- The US spent $1billion enforcing the no-fly zone, $3 per civilian.
- Civilian casualties from foreign bombs were minimal, despite what [sarcasm]hugely credible[/sarcasm] RussiaToday and globalresearch.com is saying.
- The Gaddafi regime might go on trail at the ICC.
It's tough for alot of people here to swallow (though I think the majority of people here are on my side), but history will show that this foreign intervention was not only worth it, but was executed very well in general.
Sun, 2011-08-21 20:41
#37
WCG, it was definitely worth it.
Sun, 2011-08-21 20:50
#38
laine lowe
WCG, it was definitely worth it.
Time will tell. Was it worth toppling Saddam Hussein or the Taliban Government? Again, time will tell and so will the witnesses of those who had to live with foreign bombings and firefights.
Sun, 2011-08-21 20:50
#39
Al-Jazeera Live Stream Best news organization covering the Civil War by far.
Sun, 2011-08-21 20:51
#40
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead! Maybe they can put Gadhafi in a cage and have the families of the people he murdered on the PanAm flight over Lockerbie to take turns pelting him with rotten fruit!
Sun, 2011-08-21 20:57
#41
Time will tell. Was it worth toppling Saddam Hussein or the Taliban Government? Again, time will tell and so will the witnesses of those who had to live with foreign bombings and firefights.
Saddam and the Taliban were toppled almost entirely by a foreign intervention. In each case the toppling was about 90% US and 10% local dissidents. In Libya its the reverse - there was already a mass uprising against pig Gadhafi and the NATO bombing was very much a second supporting role. The credit for the fall of pig Gadhafi is about 95% Libyan dissidents and 5% the support they got from NATO. In the meantime, the world has one less fascist dictator - what's not to like?
Sun, 2011-08-21 21:13
#42
New Report Puts Us On The Road to Finally Discovering Lockerbie Truth
http://lockerbiecase.blogspot.com/2011/08/new-report-may-put-us-on-road-...
"The most important questions are: first, if Megrahi's conviction for the bombing is unsound...who did carry out the atrocity?"
Sun, 2011-08-21 21:29
#43
Al-Jazeera are the ones with reporters on the ground, I presume not in front of a green screen, and I don't think zombie Bin Laden is in charge of the rebel movement (though I don't think there's much doubt NATO was decisive in helping the wildly outgunned (not outmanned) rebels).
Sun, 2011-08-21 21:31
#44
Al-Jazeera Live Stream Best news organization covering the Civil War by far.
Al-Jazeera is based in a country where monarchs rule. As in, nobody votes for the brutal US-backed military dictatorhips in any of Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain etc. How much informing of the public occurs in any of those countries due to Al Jazeera's efforts, really? In fact, Qatar contributed military jets to an illegal blitzkrieg over Libya.
Let's [url=http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Journalists+who+engage+in+war+propaganda+must+be+he... it up for look.[/url]
The credit for the fall of pig Gadhafi is about 95% Libyan dissidents and 5% the support they got from NATO.
[url=http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Libya+al-qaeda&l=1]Let me Google something for you[/url]
Sun, 2011-08-21 21:32
#45
Qaddafi Plea: 'Save Libya', After Son Captured
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/08/22/163423.html
"Embattled Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi has made a second appeal for his people to 'save Tripoli' from a rebel offensive, in an audio message played on state television on Sunday. 'It is the obligation of all Libyans. It is a question of life or death,' he said.
Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said on state television that Colonel Qaddafi is ready for immediate negotiations with rebels seeking to oust him, and had asked NATO to convince the rebel forces to halt an attack on Tripoli.
Mr. Ibrahim added that 1,300 people had been killed in fighting in Tripoli on Sunday.."
RT: Shooting in Gaddafi's House Stops Live Interview (and vid)
'AL Qaeda leading NATO rebels in Tripoli' (Lizzie Phelan)
http://rt.com/news/tripoli-fights-rebels-shooting-546/ (and vid)
"This war is not about Colonel Gaddafi. Colonel Gaddafi is just a pretext for this war. This war has everything to do with stealing from the Libyan people. There is shock, there is fear, there is denial and there is resistance. And many of the defenders of Tripoli are children...According to Nazemroaya, international journalists are being targeted by the rebels and the NATO forces that support them. This is a NATO war. NATO bombs anything that moves..'
Sun, 2011-08-21 21:52
#46
Al-Jazeera are the ones with reporters on the ground, I presume not in front of a green screen, and I don't think zombie Bin Laden is in charge of the rebel movement (though I don't think there's much doubt NATO was decisive in helping the wildly outgunned (not outmanned) rebels).
Elvis bin Laden was dead years ago.
As for the Libyan chapter of al-Qaeda, most of them fought for the CIA in 1980s and 90s Afghanistan same as bin Laden, and same goes for al-CIA'duh's current leader. Ayman Zawahiri used to schmooze with [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3422]U.S. Special Forces Army officer Ali Mohamed[/url]. They did fundraisers together in Silicon Valley for years, and contributions went to al-CIA'duh black ops abroad. And interestingly enough, Ayman's brother ran an al-CIA'duh training camp in a U.S. protected zone of Kosovo in the late 1990s.
You know what they say, what comes around goes around.
Sun, 2011-08-21 22:05
#47
Are the Saudi families as bad as qaddafi? How bad is he really? Relative to other dictators in the region?
Sun, 2011-08-21 22:08
#48
... but history will show that this foreign intervention was not only worth it, but was executed very well in general.
So well in fact, that it looks like it's providing a blueprint for other Wars of Aggression, foreign intervention and regime change for Syria, Iran, North Korea and who knows where else.
Sun, 2011-08-21 22:37
#49
NATO & their al-Qaeda Gladio allies terrorizing another oil-rich country.
Score a big one for TOTAL, Occidental, ConocoPhillips, and BP oil companies.
Democracy should really be referred to as Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. - George
Sun, 2011-08-21 22:41
#50
Time To End NATO Crimes in Libya, - by Dennis Kucinich
http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/9528-time-to-end-nato-crimes-in-l...
"...Regardless of whether Muammar Gaddafi is ousted in coming days, the war against Libya has seen countless violations of UN security council resolutions by NATO and UN member states. So much for the humanitarian-inspired UNSCR 1973 as a means to protect civilians...
The leading donor nations of NATO - the US, France and Great Britain - have been free to prosecute war under the cloak of this faceless, bureaucratic, alphabet security agency, now multinational war machine, which can violate UN resolutions and kill innocent civilians with impunity..
War crimes trials are for losers. The prospective conquerors, the Western powers and their rebel proxies, will then expect to be able to assert control over Libya's vast oil and national gas reserves..
How can we expect this grim manifesto of intervention to ever result in anything but tragedy? It's time to end the war against Libya.
Libyan Rebels Reach Tripoli's Green Square
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/08/21/libya.html
"Canada is hopeful that the end is near for the Gadhafi regime and that authority will soon transition to the National Transitional Council of Libya, the recognized governing body of Libya,' PMO spokesman Dimitri Soudas said in a statement.."
but curiously, again, no mention of NATO's Canadian butcher-boy, Lt Gen. Charles Bouchard.
Sun, 2011-08-21 22:43
#51
Bec.De.Corbin
Seems like RT and company are doing allot of last minute whining about Kaddafi going down. These RT internet postings are behind the info curve as to what's happing in Tripoli. I'm been watching BBC live (till about an hour ago) and the government station is off the air, the minders have left the hotels where journalists stay and most all the government people have disappeared. Rebel groups and cheering crowds are everywhere.