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Merowe

I hear ya. The first thing I had to do when I got together with my Berlin chum was to smooth some ruffled feathers because I'd obliquely criticized her unreservedly pro-protestor perspective. This unconsciously aligned her with the dominant western narrative which is very much the same old evil, self-serving, colonialist shit. Once we'd caught up it was clear to see she'd come to that position innocently enough. Pro-democracy supporters had approached her soon after she arrived and poured some pretty fresh and shocking stories into her ear and supported them with unpleasant cellphone vids of ongoing events. Who wouldn't align themselves with such earnest, desperate youth?

I realized I had to be very careful to avoid cynicism vis their efforts. Perhaps they're manipulated dupes, I don't know. There are certainly grounds for dissatisfaction with the regime, let' not fuck about there, a full-on police state apparatus, a small elite holding near monopolies over key resources, hardly a pretence of political representation. No death squads - that I know of - but lots of torture and spurious imprisonment.

Chuck in...an excitable young population stoked significantly by digitally transmitted news of the putative Arab Spring - hence the regime's regular shutting down of intertube and cellphone webs. Add a good dollop of international intrigue with any number of international actors - notionally Iran, Israel,  Lebanon and the good ol' USA, but France and Britain might have horses in that one too, as well as sufficiently capable Syrian exiles - providing logistical and organizational support for armed provocations against the state and we have my current understanding of events there.

I'm interested in rumors Bashir's brother is leading the current repression, perhaps he got the father's psychopath gene rather than the optometrist. The current operation against this northern village is horribly similar to the modus op of the suppression of Hama in the 1980s, circling and isolating the 'infected' zone then bloodily sorting out those remaining inside. Which is why so much of the population has suddenly gone shopping in Turkey. For the foreseeable future, I'm guessing.

For all my appetite for revolution, I should prefer to see a controlled and incremental easing of the current regime, rather than a descent into an anarchy which plays right into the hands of western interests. This may sound funny but there remains a great deal of 'innocence' in the culture there, by which I mean it is relatively untainted by the ersatz culture of global capital. And if it all goes messily to shit, that will be lost and that would be sort of like another noble species going extinct or something. Another ancient alternative to our western ways would be lost, bad for us all really.

(editted by Merowe for clarity)

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Syria is a brutal dictatorship with good health care and universal education.  Any regime that the west has been using as a torture proxy is no friend of mine.  

What I do know is that the last thing that the people of Syria need is NATO getting "officially" involved.  This is all about replacing unreliable dictators with new more compliant ones.  Ones who will accept the kind of austerity programs that have worked so well all over the globe.  As well there should be good money to be made given the inevitable carpet bag sale of state assets that will follow the Syrian peoples liberation.  Although if history repeats itself the only thing that will end up liberated are the assets of the nation.  And in the process it will be discovered the books now say the new government is hopelessly in debt to the IMF.

I don't care whether Syria is a nasty hell hole. I refuse to march to the beat of the war drums.  The one thing I know for sure is that when the dust settles the naive idealists looking for democracy will not be the ones in charge.

NDPP

NATO Actions Should Be A Wake-Up Call - Political Scientist (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/nato-wake-up-political-agenda/

"Adrian Salbuchi, a Buenos Aires based author and political researcher says that the West is trying to turn the UN into an instrument to implement its own agenda, with Syria being the latest example. 'The United Nations, let's be very blunt about this, is merely an international organization working to promote the interests of its most powerful members, notably the United States, Britain and, as far as the Western world is concerned, also France and other countries in the European Union,' he told RT.

NDPP

Syria Unrest (vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/Program/185225.html

Interviews and discussion

NDPP

Assad Infuriates Syria Demonstrators with Saboteur Claims

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/20/syria-assad-address-saboteurs

"Syria's embattled leader, Bashar-al-Assad has blamed 'saboteurs' backed by foreign powers for fomenting widespread civil unrest...He also blamed 'religious extremists' who he said had taken advantage of the ongoing trouble.."

Syrian MB Statement on Israeli Broadcast

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=28721

"...Israeli Channel Two has fabricated an interview with some prominent figures of the Syrian opposition, including Mr Ali Sadr - Eddin al Bayanouni, the former director general of the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. "We the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria emphasize that the interview broadcast on the Israeli Channel Two - is aimed at tarnishing the image of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The interview has been tampered with and fabricated..."

 

NDPP

US Threatens Syria WIth Regime Change

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/185583.html

"The United States has threatened the Syrian government with regime change and told President Bashar al Assad he must decide whether he wants to be a promoter of progress in Syria or an obstacle.."

Syrian President Grants New Amnesty

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/185622.html

"Syrian President Bashar al Assad has reportedly granted a new general amnesty while a huge crowd took to the streets nationwide to support the president.."

NDPP

WikiLeaks Cables Show US Strategy for Regime Change in Syria as Protesters are Massacred  -  by Kevin Gosztola

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/08/05/wikileaks-cables-the-us-stra...

"For the past five to six years, the US policy toward Syria has used what could be called a two pronged strategy to push for regime change. The US has supported 'civil society' activists or external opposition organizations. It has also worked to delegitimize, destabilize and isolate the country through the application of sanctions and various other measures, which could be applied to exploit vulnerabilities.."

NDPP

Destabilizing Syria  - by Stephen Lendman

http://mostlywater.org/destabilizing_syria

"In Libya it's war for regime change, colonization and plunder. In Syria, it's to establish another client state, no matter who heads it..."

NDPP

Syria: The Armed Gangs Controversy..

http://www.voltairenet.org/Syria-The-Armed-Gangs-Controversy

"Joshua Landis shows that the facts vote largely in favor of the Government's version of the events..

 The regime will battle to the end and still has much fight in it. It is unlikely that the regime will 'collapse', as some activists suggest, or just fade away. Ceaucesco - like.  If it is to be defeated, it will be on the battlefield, and by force.. It is hard to imagine any other ending.."

NDPP

Syria Left Vulnerable by State Violence  -  by George Galloway

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/20118159535828664.html

"The risk of open imperialist intervention in this situation increases almost by the hour. The enemies of the Palestinians and of all Arabs are rattling their sabres. The Syrian people, always the heart of Arab nationalism, cry out in their slogans - even as they are shot down - against such foreign interventions, but the vultures circle nonetheless. Such a fate for the great Syria must be avoided at all costs. At all costs."

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

  

Syria is a good example of what would happen to any popular uprising in the USA or Canada.  

Frmrsldr

U.S. President Barack Obama has asked that Syrian President Bashir Assad step down.

Uh-oh, that's how the war on Libya started.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

 

Forget it, Syria can kill its own people just like the US and Canada would. No one is going to seriously interfere.

Frmrsldr

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Forget it, Syria can kill its own people just like the US and Canada would. No one is going to seriously interfere.

Noble sentiments.

Too bad the American valkyries Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Samantha Power and Barack Obama didn't feel that way over Libya; and made a secret treaty with Saudi Arabia to act as U.S. proxy in their war on Bahrain.

I wonder if the Obama Administration now regrets its war on Libya over trumped-up mass civilian killings by that government that never matierialized when actual mass killings by government forces have been occurring in Syria for the past months? Oops.

What am I thinking? The only thing they regret is the expense of war, not war itself.

Let's also not forget the war on Afghanistan, covert war on Pakistan, war on Iraq, Somalia and Yemen.

Let's not forget 2008 Presidential candidate Senator John McCain, when asked about his policy on Iran if he were President responded with,

"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!" Sung to the tune of the Beach Boys' song Barbara-Ann.

Frmrsldr

Al Jazeera wrote:

UN Security Council urged to act on Syria.

http://english.aljazeera.net//news/middleeast/2011/08/201181821574936352...

All the pieces are starting to fall into place.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Earlier in the day I heard someone suggest a 'no fly zone' over Syria is coming. Forget who it was, though.

Frmrsldr
NDPP

Harper Joins Obama, Other Leaders in Calling on Syria's Assad to Resign

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/americas/harper-joins-obama-ot...

"I join with President Obama - and other members of the International community in calling on President Assad to vacate this position, relinquish power and step down immediately.." - Stephen Harper

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Frmrsldr wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Forget it, Syria can kill its own people just like the US and Canada would. No one is going to seriously interfere.

Noble sentiments.

Too bad the American valkyries Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Samantha Power and Barack Obama didn't feel that way over Libya; and made a secret treaty with Saudi Arabia to act as U.S. proxy in their war on Bahrain.

I wonder if the Obama Administration now regrets its war on Libya over trumped-up mass civilian killings by that government that never matierialized when actual mass killings by government forces have been occurring in Syria for the past months? Oops.

What am I thinking? The only thing they regret is the expense of war, not war itself.

Let's also not forget the war on Afghanistan, covert war on Pakistan, war on Iraq, Somalia and Yemen.

Let's not forget 2008 Presidential candidate Senator John McCain, when asked about his policy on Iran if he were President responded with,

"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!" Sung to the tune of the Beach Boys' song Barbara-Ann.

 

Exactly; the US is involved in too many wars, Syria gets a "get out of being invaded" card...

 

Frmrsldr

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Exactly; the US is involved in too many wars, Syria gets a "get out of being invaded" card...

Don't count on it.

NDPP

RT: Assad Resignation Would Destabilize Syria (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/syria-assad-step-moscow/

"James Corbett, editor of an independent news website, says Russia can play a key role in preventing the situation in Syria from repeating what has transpired in Libya. 'Only a major force like Russia seems at his stage to be capable of really preventing a repeat of what we have seen in Libya.."

Frmrsldr

NDPP wrote:

'Only a major force like Russia seems at his stage to be capable of really preventing a repeat of what we have seen in Libya.."

Hopefully.

And China.

And Turkey.

And the AU.

The same could be said during the drafting and when UNSCR 1973 was put to a vote regarding Libya, however.

NDPP

yes, but Russia has a naval base there, which could prompt a firmer line than Libya. Turkey is with the West on this one methinks.

NDPP

NATO/Turkey Plan to Arm Syrian Criminal Gangs

http://www.voltairenet.org/NATO-Turkey-plan-to-arm-Syria

"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization and Turkey are preparing the ground for military intervention in Syria, especially through providing criminal Syrian armed gangs with weaponry..."

NDPP

It is Going to be Syria's Turn  -  by MK Bhadrakumar

http://www.voltairenet.org/It-is-going-to-be-Syria-s-turn

"If the likeness between ravaging regime change scenarios in Iraq and Libya is any indication, the future of Bashar al Assad's sovereignty in Syria might be hanging by a thin thread. The heart of the matter - is that regime change in Syria is absolutely central to US designs on the Middle East..."

Frmrsldr

NDPP wrote:

... that regime change in Syria is absolutely central to US designs on the Middle East..."

Or is it like Libya, Iraq and Iran where it's pressure from the state of Israel for the U.S. (with or without Israel state participation) to go to war (went to war with Libya) Syria or Iran or Syria and Iran so the state of Israel can be the regional hegemon?

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

 

Ok so who is globalresearch.ca saying is going to send an army to go fight Syria's army, in Syria based on Lybia?

 

 

Frmrsldr

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Ok so who is globalresearch.ca saying is going to send an army to go fight Syria's army, in Syria based on Lybia?

I have no idea.

I figure things out for myself.

It'll probably be just like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.

The U.S. won't go it alone and either Uncle Sam's usual partners in crime will be there willingly or will be 'reluctantly' dragged in.

howeird beale

Voltairenet:

"Syrian authorities blame foreign-backed armed gangs for the killings. Damascus says as many as 500 soldiers and police officers have been killed by armed groups."

Syrian authorities say a lot of things:

"The attorney-general of the Syrian city of Hama said in a video posted on YouTube on Wednesday he had resigned in protest at the crackdown on pro-democracy protests, but authorities said he had been kidnapped."

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/31/us-syria-defection-idUSTRE77U7...

 

"Bakkour, said in another video released earlier on Wednesday that he had resigned because security forces killed 72 imprisoned protesters and activists at Hama's central jail on the eve of the a military assault on the city on July 31, which he said killed at least another 420 people, many of whom were buried in mass graves in public parks.

Bakkour said the 72 prisoners were buried in Khaldiyia village in rural Hama near a Military Intelligence branch, which tried to pressure him to write a report that the other 420 people killed in the assault on the city were killed by armed groups, whom the authorities also blame for most killings across the country."

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Frmrsldr wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Ok so who is globalresearch.ca saying is going to send an army to go fight Syria's army, in Syria based on Lybia?

I have no idea.

I figure things out for myself.

It'll probably be just like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.

The U.S. won't go it alone and either Uncle Sam's usual partners in crime will be there willingly or will be 'reluctantly' dragged in.

First you say you don't know then you say the USA and company, which is it?

howeird beale

.

Frmrsldr

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Frmrsldr wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Ok so who is globalresearch.ca saying is going to send an army to go fight Syria's army, in Syria based on Lybia?

I have no idea.

I figure things out for myself.

It'll probably be just like Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.

The U.S. won't go it alone and either Uncle Sam's usual partners in crime will be there willingly or will be 'reluctantly' dragged in.

First you say you don't know then you say the USA and company, which is it?

Both:

What I have no idea of is "who globalresearch.ca is saying is going to send an army to go fight Syria's army,..." (I seldom go to that site due to time constraints so I have no idea what their assessment is.)

When I "say the USA and company...", that is my assessment.

As I said, I often tend to figure things out for myself.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Ok, yeah right, and who is going to pay for this "war'?... And by war I mean real war, a conventional war. The USA? Oh Fuck no!

The Syrian military are no bunch of push overs like the Iraqis were in GW1&2.

I think your barking up the wrong tree.

Fidel

The Al Qaeda Insurgency in Syria: Recruiting Jihadists to Wage NATO's "Humanitarian Wars"

Michel Chossudovsky wrote:
What triggered the crisis in Syria?

It was not the result of internal political cleavages, but rather the consequence of a deliberate plan by the US-NATO alliance to trigger social chaos, to discredit the Syrian government of Bashar Al Assad and ultimately destabilize Syria as a Nation State.

Since the middle of March 2011, Islamist armed groups covertly supported by Western and Israeli intelligence have conducted terrorist attacks on government buildings and acts of arson.

Amply documented, trained gunmen and snipers have targeted the police, the armed forces as well as unarmed civilians.

The objective of this armed insurrection is to trigger the response of the police and armed forces, including the deployment of tanks and armored vehicles with a view to eventually justifying a "humanitarian" military intervention, under NATO's "responsibility to protect" mandate.

More "sword play", this time in Syria.

Frmrsldr

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Ok, yeah right, and who is going to pay for this "war'?... And by war I mean real war, a conventional war. The USA? Oh Fuck no!

That's what a lot of people said about Libya - right up until U.S./NATO planes screamed over Libyan sky and their first bombs exploded on Libyan soil.

That would be Ron Paul's and the libertarian take.

But not that of the American Empire.

Just look at Congress' failure to reduce the Pentagon and defense budget.

Ultimately time will tell.

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

The Syrian military are no bunch of push overs like the Iraqis were in GW1&2.

I think your barking up the wrong tree.

Are you sure?

Let's do a comparative analysis:

Iraq fought an eight year war with Iran (the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War.)

At that time the U.S. was an ally/buddy of Iraq's Saddam Hussein.

Iraq was armed by the U.S. and taught U.S. military tactics.

This saved Hussein's 'bacon' on a number of occassions as Iran was/is no 'slouch.'

Syria is largely armed with older/aging Soviet/Russian weapons and equipment with maybe some more modern E.U. weapons and equipment.

When was the last war Syria fought?

My prediction is If the U.S./NATO wages war on Syria, "victory" will be initially swift and relatively bloodless for the U.S./NATO - just like Afghanistan, Iraq War (II) and Libya.

After that an insurgency will build up that will eventually cause the occupiers to leave because they will ultimately suffer a financial 'death by a thousand cuts.' They will realize that financially, the 'game isn't worth the candle.'

Look at Iraq: Although the number of U.S. casualties has declined, the level of violence is still very high and the American Empire wants to have a permanent military presence in country. The Yanqui imperialists and war hawks won't go home until the American Empire is destroyed by their own doing.

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Frmrsldr wrote:

Are you sure?

Yes I'm sure. It would take more than a few airstrikes and a couple of renforced combat brigades to invade Syria. I'm also sure everyone in the USA and Europe already knows the 'game isn't worth the candle' with Syria, Iraq thought us that. Let them fight for their own democracy or freedom or whatever they want.

The Syrian regime will have to fall from within on its own. Sort of like how Egypt fell from within when the military decided to stand aside instead of support the regime once it became clear the majority of the people supported change. Except I suspect, unlike in Egypt, this will involve allot more bullet throwing than rock throwing.

welder welder's picture

I'm surprised some of the more lucid members here (I'm discounting the global Research Tin Foil Hat Brigade,for the moment) have'nt realized the international implications of a land invasion of Syria...

 

Syria is a known backer of Hezbollah and is well known to meddle in the internal affairs of Lebanon.Let's not forget the Golan Heights issue.

 

Let's also not forget the tie in with Iran,the mentally tenuous nature of the puppet in Tehran,Tehrans ties to Islamic Jihad and Hamas,and,how this ties ties into Syria...

 

Any serious intervention in Syria pretty much guarantees a much wider conflict with global implications,and potential nuclear implications(when one understands those involved with Iran's nuclear ambitions),if that were to happen.

 

I agree with Corbin...

 

Any "regime change" in Syria,as it relates to the downfall of the Ba'Athist's that control things from Damascus,must come from within.It should'nt shock anyone,however,that the Assad's are prepared to turn the guns on thier own people.They've done this before at Hama and seem to have no compunction in doing it again.Also,remember the historical influences of the Pan-Arab Ba'Athists...

 

Their behaviour,in that context,is'nt shocking at all....

Fidel

welder wrote:
Syria is a known backer of Hezbollah and is well known to meddle in the internal affairs of Lebanon.Let's not forget the Golan Heights issue. ...

Let's also not forget the tie in with Iran,the mentally tenuous nature of the puppet in Tehran,Tehrans ties to Islamic Jihad and Hamas,and,how this ties ties into Syria...

Any serious intervention in Syria pretty much guarantees a much wider conflict with global implications,and potential nuclear implications(when one understands those involved with Iran's nuclear ambitions),if that were to happen.

Sounds like someone's been dipping into the the CNN/Fox koolaid well again. That stuff is Drano on your braino.

Frmrsldr

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Yes I'm sure. It would take more than a few airstrikes and a couple of renforced combat brigades to invade Syria. I'm also sure everyone in the USA and Europe already knows the 'game isn't worth the candle' with Syria, Iraq thought us that. Let them fight for their own democracy or freedom or whatever they want.

To repeat myself.

This is what a number of people said about Libya.

Right up until U.S./NATO planes screamed over Libya's sky and the first bombs exploded on Libya's soil.

When it comes to war, Iran is a far more formidable opponent than Syria, yet that doesn't stop many people (especially advocates) from falling under the fantasy illusion that all it will take to defeat Iran is a "few airstrikes."

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

The Syrian regime will have to fall from within on its own. Sort of like how Egypt fell from within when the military decided to stand aside instead of support the regime once it became clear the majority of the people supported change. Except I suspect, unlike in Egypt, this will involve allot more bullet throwing than rock throwing.

Tunisia and Egypt caught the U.S. and E.U. by surprize.

By the time of Libya however, they were ready.

Tunisia and Egypt are less attractive because they don't have oil.

Now that the American Empire and NATO have a successful war under their belt they are like a sated and rejuvenated vampire whose thirst for fresh blood is starting to rise once again (so soon? Yeah, I know.)

Looks like the next victim may be Syria.

All the signs are there.

Once an Empire has reached its zenith and is starting its decline, war and acquiring new colonies has an unstoppable momentum of its own - even if it's also the cause of the destruction of the Empire.

 

welder welder's picture

Fidel wrote:

welder wrote:
Syria is a known backer of Hezbollah and is well known to meddle in the internal affairs of Lebanon.Let's not forget the Golan Heights issue. ...

Let's also not forget the tie in with Iran,the mentally tenuous nature of the puppet in Tehran,Tehrans ties to Islamic Jihad and Hamas,and,how this ties ties into Syria...

Any serious intervention in Syria pretty much guarantees a much wider conflict with global implications,and potential nuclear implications(when one understands those involved with Iran's nuclear ambitions),if that were to happen.

Sounds like someone's been dipping into the the CNN/Fox koolaid well again. That stuff is Drano on your braino.

 

Says the admitted Marxist/Lenninist with tin foil hat planted firmly in place...

 

Laughing

 

 

welder welder's picture

Frmrsldr wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Yes I'm sure. It would take more than a few airstrikes and a couple of renforced combat brigades to invade Syria. I'm also sure everyone in the USA and Europe already knows the 'game isn't worth the candle' with Syria, Iraq thought us that. Let them fight for their own democracy or freedom or whatever they want.

To repeat myself.

This is what a number of people said about Libya.

Right up until U.S./NATO planes screamed over Libya's sky and the first bombs exploded on Libya's soil.

When it comes to war, Iran is a far more formidable opponent than Syria, yet that doesn't stop many people (especially advocates) from falling under the fantasy illusion that all it will take to defeat Iran is a "few airstrikes."

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

The Syrian regime will have to fall from within on its own. Sort of like how Egypt fell from within when the military decided to stand aside instead of support the regime once it became clear the majority of the people supported change. Except I suspect, unlike in Egypt, this will involve allot more bullet throwing than rock throwing.

Tunisia and Egypt caught the U.S. and E.U. by surprize.

By the time of Libya however, they were ready.

Tunisia and Egypt are less attractive because they don't have oil.

Now that the American Empire and NATO have a successful war under their belt they are like a sated and rejuvenated vampire whose thirst for fresh blood is starting to rise once again (so soon? Yeah, I know.)

Looks like the next victim may be Syria.

All the signs are there.

Once an Empire has reached its zenith and is starting its decline, war and acquiring new colonies has an unstoppable momentum of its own - even if it's also the cause of the destruction of the Empire.

 

 

Can't disagree with you on the downfall of Empire America....

 

The sad thing is that the USA had the chance to export representative democracy to bloster itself...Sadly,it chose the expedient route and propped up Fascistic autocrats to aid the "empire" during the 20th century...

 

With its downfall,the truly sad thing is that REAL democracy is about to be wiped out in favour of authoritarianism in the form of corporate Fascism.This will be primarily championed by the crypto (can't say the "F" word in case one might think I'm "China bashing") Chinese...Along with it's willing partners on Wall Street...

 

Lucky us...What did Benito Mussolini say???

 

 

"Fascism is the perfect combination of corporate and government power!"...

 

Kinda perfectly describes the current nature of the Chinese government,does'nt it?

 

"Meet the new boss....Same as the old boss!"...

Fidel

Yes, China is the new evol empire. They are diabolically opposed to freedom while the gladio gang is merely interested in democratizing Asia and Africa for the sake of free markets and prosperity for all. It's a favourite subject of endless rage and vitriol on right wing talk radio and among the lunatic right wing fringe in general. Same old same-old. If one of them had half a brain, it would rattle. It's difficult to believe there are actual people who could be hypnotised by thundering nit-wits like Bill O'Lielly and that other Lord Haha, Rush Limbaugh. God help us.

howeird beale

Yeah, thing is welder, in the tinfoil hat brigade there is only one international actor, the US. So if you try to analyze how any other player may try to shape global events, such as, say, the People's Republic of Walmart, or, say various leaders of Gulf emirates who also provided material assistance to the Libyan rebels, well, then you're "drinking koolaid."

This, of course, includes the people of all these countries which are in upheaval as well. Very few of the posters on this board have organized a bake sale, never mind a mass demonstration, so the concept of people participating in their own civil society is like a message from Mars to them. People cant be naturally inclined to fight people who enslave them, they must be dancing on their masters puppet strings

I wont even call it analysis, its just boring binary thinking.

Merowe

howeird beale wrote:

Yeah, thing is welder, in the tinfoil hat brigade there is only one international actor, the US. So if you try to analyze how any other player may try to shape global events, such as, say, the People's Republic of Walmart, or, say various leaders of Gulf emirates who also provided material assistance to the Libyan rebels, well, then you're "drinking koolaid."

This, of course, includes the people of all these countries which are in upheaval as well. Very few of the posters on this board have organized a bake sale, never mind a mass demonstration, so the concept of people participating in their own civil society is like a message from Mars to them. People cant be naturally inclined to fight people who enslave them, they must be dancing on their masters puppet strings

I wont even call it analysis, its just boring binary thinking.

Yeah, thing is, Howeird, all you do in YOUR post is criticize other posters. Where's your analysis, smart-ass?

WilderMore

Merowe wrote:

 

Yeah, thing is, Howeird, all you do in YOUR post is criticize other posters. Where's your analysis, smart-ass?

 

Oopsie, that sounds like a personal attack. Mods notified.

WilderMore

Considering how well things worked out in Libya, I wouldn't be surprised if the freedom fighters in Syria requested NATO's help in getting rid of Assad. He's a very bad man, using 50 cal machine guns and tanks on unarmed civilians.

Merowe

WilderMore wrote:

Considering how well things worked out in Libya, I wouldn't be surprised if the freedom fighters in Syria requested NATO's help in getting rid of Assad. He's a very bad man, using 50 cal machine guns and tanks on unarmed civilians.

Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Erik Redburn

WM: "Considering how well things worked out in Libya, I wouldn't be surprised if the freedom fighters in Syria requested NATO's help in getting rid of Assad. He's a very bad man, using 50 cal machine guns and tanks on unarmed civilians."

 

You still trolling here, rightwinger?  I thought you'd have gotten bored by now repeating the same lies, and gone back to play in another more openly authoritarian sandbox.

WilderMore

Calling someone a troll is a lazy way of avoiding a discussion you desparately hope won't happen. What I know is that condemnation is swift when the Israelis shoot unarmed Palestinians, and rightly so. When Assad does it to his own people, not a peep from so-called progressives (and I'm not refering to this site specifically, just a general observation). Consider that the ruling class in Syria comprises only 12% of the population, then it becomes clear that one way or another Assad's regime, which is supported only through fear, must collapse mostly from within.

Frmrsldr

WilderMore wrote:

Considering how well things worked out in Libya, I wouldn't be surprised if the freedom fighters in Syria requested NATO's help in getting rid of Assad. He's a very bad man, using 50 cal machine guns and tanks on unarmed civilians.

Not all of those "civilians" are unarmed.

That account about a week ago of a dozen Syrian soldiers killed en route to Homs (I believe it was) was the result of an attack by an armed group. The group was armed with AK-47s (which are capable of fully automatic fire) RPGs and grenades.

I have read accounts of these groups being armed by the Mossad (state of Israel's intelligence.)

For coverage that goes beyond headline news on Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Iran, Israel/Palestine, Lebanon, the Middle East, North/South Korea, and elsewhere, I recommend:

http://antiwar.com/

Specific to this thread, click on the news articles and essays on/about Syria and look for articles under the heading "Syria."

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