NATO's Canadian Commander in Libya, Charles Bouchard, Must Stand Trial for Warcrimes 2

The Wikipedia photo shows the face of someone with flared nostrils and  steely eyes and sneering lips.  Bloodlust?

Can't be the same decorated general who has starred in the liberation of Libya.

 There's a subliminal thing that really gets to me about the look on the face of psychopaths who know they can get away with anything.  You know, Bernardos in uniform=total impunity.   

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Russell Williams was a colleague of Charlie's. Maybe pychopathy runs in the RCAF family? Could be, but even scarier is that this Bouchard  monster, like the Conservative and NDP monsters who actioned this national involvement in the Libyan butchery, are perfectly well adjusted and 'normal'. Well, they will have to live with themselves knowing they have destroyed a country and murdered so many. But we will all be told before the next election that we have to vote for them again in order to save ourselves. Time for some big changes to an obviously evil and rotten system.
'There's no art can find the mind's construction in the face' Shakespeare

Honourable Brent Rathgeber and Honourable Jack Layton pretending to be soldiers (well sailors in this case). There are 306 politicans that should be tried as war criminals here in Canada.

RCAF, Russell Williams, the Navy and Jack Layton? I think I understand what you're getting at with this wild conspiracy picture now. Russell Wiliams and Jack Layton in the same post. It's a tenuous link I'll admit that much but the imagery is powerful. So, what else do you think about in your spare time? Bigfoot and Jack Layton?  What about the Masons, Bilderbergers and Jack Layton?

I received an email reply from Jack Layton a couple of months ago that said the NDP would not be supporting any further military action in Libya. 

And the Socialist International wasn't very supportive of Gadaffi last Spring either. Perhaps recent news of Moammar Gadaffi working with the American CIA to abduct and torture Libyans is true as well. You don't support those kinds of basic human rights violations, do you?

WilderMore wrote:

 The person to blame is Gadhafi for killing his own defenseless and unarmed people (until they rose up and said 'no more!). And Assad for the same thing.

And NATO. They violated their own "no-fly" order within weeks of signing into effect. R2P quickly turned into their right to plunder and bomb civilians and vital infrastructure. Libyans are in a mess now as a direct result of the Gladio Gang handing the country over to al-Qa'eda-linked LIFG rebels. That link is a helluva lot stronger than Jack Layton and Steve Lapdog Harper and definitely moreso than Jack Layton-Russell Williams. Of course our in-house anti-imperialists tend not to want to go against the grain of imperialism with anything other than the imperialists' own "blowback" theory regarding "al-Qa'eda" and NATO's long-time associations with militant Islam in general. Gadaffi thought he was working with the American CIA and British MI6 and SAS to rid libya of al-Qa'eda and militant Islamists. He thought wrong, because al-Qa'eda is really al-CIA'duh. Yes, Moammar Qadaffi, you were stupid for trusting the jackals.

Let's not get too subtle here Fidel, if our hardline comrades want to arrest the whole of our government (and every other one that ever fought a foreign war in living memory) then I say go to it.  It would be interesting to see who would benefit most from the ensuing anarchy.  Just let me know when the committee of practically perfect peace mongers is firmly in charge again and we can expect our thousand years of universal peace and prosperity.

I guess that's another issue with being "elected" to phony majority government - they must accept a full majority of the responsibility and blame in kind for any crimes they commit while ruling with dictatorial power.

So Fidel the NDP was duped by NATO and didn't believe the American generals who announced before the vote that a no fly zone meant bombing infrastructure.  So is Do-War incompetent or is he just another sycophant that feels really special when the military briefs him.  Do-War spread the viagra story in press conferences.  Maybe the NDP with its official party status could devote some research time to propaganda claims by NATO so they at least don't look naive when telling us war is peace in the making.  Do-War has also pointed to Syria for its sins but has not mentioned Bahrain or Yemen.  The NDP should get someone doing some work on those files so he can do more than regurgitate NATO bullshit.

WilderMore wrote:

 The person to blame is Gadhafi for killing his own defenseless and unarmed people (until they rose up and said 'no more!). And Assad for the same thing.

It takes two to tango.

What about the U.S., U.K., French, Italian and other Western governments' collusion/cooperation via the CIA and MI-6, French, Italian and other Western intelligence agencies, with the Libyan (Gadhafi) and Syrian (Assad) governments when it came to rendition and the torture of people?

Remember Maher Arar?

Well Shoveller, if anyone on my left wants to place De-war under citizens arrest I'll be right behind you.  About 2300 miles behind you.  I don't believe what was obviously a whipped vote should be used against every sitting member of Parliament though, outside the governing CPC.  (not the other one)   And I would like to see something remotely resembling a post-occupation plan that someone on planet earth could get behind and believe.  Pod people don't count. 

Yes, not much has been said about all those other principal Gladio nations there like hyenas to the kill.

Your rambling and feeble attempts at deflection of blame from the NATO mafia to non-government politicians in Ottawa is duly noted.

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

NDPP wrote:

'NATO Carpet Bombed Libya'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/197775.html

"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) has 'carpet-bombed' entire neighborhoods in Libya, a writer and geopolitical analyst told Press TV's US Desk in an interview..

'They carpet-bombed the country...their deliberate tactic was to create a humanitarian disaster and to militarily clear the way, without any humanitarian regard, without any regard for human life...A police state is coming into formation. Nazemroaya further added that NATO should be held accountable for the warcrimes it has committed against the state of Libya..'

Nazemroaya has no idea what carpet bombing really means. Hundreds of thousands would be dead and there would be no way to hide it.

Here's real carpet bombing results...

There's carpet bombing

and then

There's firebombing.

The two are not the same:

Carpet or area bombing is when planes drop bombs within an area indiscriminately - with no concern over what is destroyed. The object is not to single out military targets. The object is to destroy homes and other nonstrategic/nonmilitary/civilian targets to destroy morale and thus bring the war to an earlier end.

Firebombing is to intentionally create firestorms (a holocaust of fire to those who have experienced it) in cities and civilian populated areas. The intention is to destroy morale (and thus bring the war to an earlier end) but to do it by (intentionally) utterly destroying cities and civilian populated areas and to cause the most destruction, suffering and horror possible through conventional bombing.

The difference is one of (quantitative) degree in the amount of destruction, suffering and horror.

Both are "qualitatively" or morally and legally equally unacceptable and constitute war crimes/crimes against humanity.

Babbling casuistries of war.

Dead are dead.

Towns without water and food medical service are Towns without water and food and medical service.

Land and water poisoned by DU and fuel and other toxic substances is .... ibid.

NATO has destroyed all that, whether carpetbombing or firebombing.

Boys, oh boys, and some pornographic fascination with weapons and war; and ah the ongoing casuistries about how many war crimes can dance on the head of a Canadian general . They laugh at us, the war-profiteering recycled-gladio maggot-hearted militaristic vermin.

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

Fidel, read the resolutions which was past in parliament. The NDP were not fooled into this illegal action, they jumped in with both feet as enthusiastically. But I understand completely, you do not want to admit error did occur and now you and others are willing to let these illegal crimes go unpunished to save face.

The NDP and Socialist International all do not support Moammar Qadaffi. He was abducting and torturing Libyans with help from the American CIA. Torture and imprisonment without trial are basic human rights violations. 

This was was not the easy decision which you make it out to be. Was LIFG not a listed by the U.K. as a terrorist organization linked to al-Qa'eda as late as June 2011? And if they are a terrorist group financed by the CIA and Brits and French, do their lowest level members deserve torturing and murdering?  

No-fly mentioned nothing about carpet bombing and aerial support for LIFG and Qa'eda in overruning the country. That was easy enough for the NDP to withdraw support for NATO's violation of their own "no-fly"zone. Politics is politics, and the NDP played it smart. They knew the Harpers were going to cow-tow to Uncle Sam, too, and with or without support from any other party in Ottawa. 

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

Either 307 politicians are either willing criminals or incompetent criminals for allowing this conflict to happen and continue to happen. They should be punish just the same. [color=red]They voted for this illegal war[/color], and should be the first ones held accountable for their actions.

No, the NDP did not "vote for this illegal war." That is false. The NDP voted for a resolution which the terms of were violated by the NATO mafia within weeks of its declaration. You are, in effect, broadcasting false and misleading information concerning The Steve Harper Government of Canada's decision to launch a military attack on Libya for whatever reasons of your own. It would be bad journalism to say that. And, 

Journalists who engage in war propaganda must be held accountable

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Nazemroaya has no idea what carpet bombing really means.

NATO mafia admits to carrying out 20,633 aerial sorties over Libya since March. 

Yes, al-Qa'eda liberated Libya for the oil company jackals "all by themselves".

And you have no idea what sorties means...

Okay I'll bite, What does acus.org really mean where they list 20,633 sorties under the bolded heading, Air Operations? It's obviously an invitation for people like yourself to ad lib for NATO, we do realize. And don't forget NATO assistance to al-Qae'da-linked LIFG rebels in the form of spy satellite intel and aerial reconnaissance flyovers, like they provided military intellgence to Saddam in regard to Iran's troop movements in the 1980s war when they supplied weapons and intel to both sides of that conflict. al-Qa'eda and militant Islam is their latest dark alliance, like when the aided and abetted Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, the biggest mass murderers since Adolf Hitler.

Fidel wrote:

No, the NDP did not "vote for this illegal war." That is false. The NDP voted for a resolution which the terms of were violated by the NATO mafia within weeks of its declaration.

I will charitably assume that your memory is simply faulty.

The fact is that on June 15, 2011, long after everyone knew that the war on Libya was about NATO and Canada pursuing regime change and not "defending civilians", the NDP caucus voted unanimously with the Liberals and Conservatives to continue the carnage. Only Elizabeth May voted against.

Surprising, though, that you wouldn't remember that, considering the [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/will-ndp-support-extending-can... lengths you went to[/url] at the time to justify it.

M. Spector wrote:

Fidel wrote:

No, the NDP did not "vote for this illegal war." That is false. The NDP voted for a resolution which the terms of were violated by the NATO mafia within weeks of its declaration.

I will charitably assume that your memory is simply faulty.

The fact is that on June 15, 2011, long after everyone knew that the war on Libya was about NATO and Canada pursuing regime change and not "defending civilians", the NDP caucus voted unanimously with the Liberals and Conservatives to continue the carnage. Only Elizabeth May voted against.

Surprising, though, that you wouldn't remember that, considering the [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/will-ndp-support-extending-can... lengths you went to[/url] at the time to justify it.

Ya but where were you telling us that Gadaffi was abducting and torturing Libyans with the CIA's help? I certainly did not know that was going on, did you? And where were you and "everyone" informing us that NATO was arm-in-arm with al-Qa'eda and Qa'eda-linked LIFG militants in Libya? I don't recall reading that citizen's letter to Parliament, the opposition party, or babble.

The question we were actually discussing was, who in the halls of power in Ottawa is responsible for launching a military attack on Libya? And the answer is, Steve Harper and his colonial administrativeship with their unblemished record for cow-towing to Warshington since crazy George II headed up that cosmetic governement.

And so if The Criminal Harper Government of Canada really are a bunch of indecisive toadies unwilling to go it alone without the NDP's support as you people seem to want to believe, then the Harpers will surely end Canada's military mission in Libya before the end of the month and not unilaterally change the terms for the mission without returning to Parliament. Nay, the Harpers are willing toadies and will not be pulling out of Libya without Uncle Sam's say-so. And definitely not on the NDP's say-so. And why not on the NDP's say-so? It's because The Steve Harper Government of Canada only takes orders from their bosses in Warshington.

Rah rah NDP . Who do you want to bomb next?  I vote for Saudi Arabia.  Rah Rah NDP lets protect the Saudi people next with at least 30,000 uranium tipped ordinances.  Those poor civilians being oppressed by the brutal dictatorship deserve nothing less than the good citizens of Libya have been given.  Come on NDP step up and protect the rest of the Middle East, demand that NATO bomb Saudi Arabia.

Unless of course DaveW you don't believe that Saudi Arabia is a brutal dictatorship?