And you thought Bush was bad?!? part 2

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howeird beale

Outstanding links, Star and Catch. I'm sorry but I'm not baffled at all:

Ron Paul

"has the endorsement of racist leaders like former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke, White Aryan leader Tom Metzger and Stormfront Fuhrer Don Black."

Read more: http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/a-quick-investigation-into-ron-pauls/page-2/#ixzz1YKfM3IBy

from Wikipedia:

Ron Paul's newsletters, written in the first person narrative, included statements such as "Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day." Along with "even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming."[141] Two other statements that garnered controversy were "opinion polls consistently show only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions". In an article titled "The Pink House" the newsletter wrote that "Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities."[142]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#Newsletter_controversy

 

Ron Paul's a nazi piece of shit. I dont care if he doesnt kick his dog or sends his mom flowers.

This aint a fuckin' whoopsie. And, again, the knownothings were a racist white people's party.

Its not about whether Paul is better or worse than Obama. That's a deliberate distraction from the issue that Ron Paul is a nazi piece of shit.

Its not whether a few statements of Paul's overlap with Kucinich or Nader or Chomsky. That's a deliberate distraction from the issue that Ron Paul is a nazi piece of shit.

This is becoming as if I went into the anti-racism section and posted innocuous passages from Mein Kampf.

Ron Paul is a fucking nazi. Its not a 'side' issue. He made it the basis of his support in five years of newsletters.

Ron Paul is a fucking nazi. The hatred of minorities, women and gays is not a 'side' issue.

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Maher is back from vacation. His show is repeated on HBO throughout the week.  Last night was hilarious. Laughing

Stargazer

http://theblacksentinel.wordpress.com/2007/12/27/ron-paul-racist-babble-...

From the link above:

We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.

Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics. The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting booth. The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That’s what blacks got on the streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn’t ask their Congressmen to arrange the transfer.

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Yep, really great choice of man to promote on a progressive board. We've had this Ron Paul here debate a few times. It is more than clear a Ron Paul world would be a neo-liberal capitalist free-for-all. A world where there would be no protections on water, food, work place safety. No over riding federal laws protecting minority groups, or women. No more minimum wage. 

A world where non-whites return to a pre Civil Rights Era, and women are controlled through regulations that exist only for them. A world where the rich get richer and the poor have all opportunity taken away from them. A world where the concept of citizen has been replaced by the "free individual". Of course, under that system there is no true freedom. I don't know how many more times we can point out how horrid a choice Ron Paul is to those who think he has lefty cred. Especially when all evidence points to the opposite. So I can only surmise that a) some of his other stances resonate with Ron Paul supporters, or b) a lack of compassion leads people to believe all these far-reaching wrongs are covered by his anti-war stance.

 

 

wage zombie

Ron Paul's campaign manager died of pneumonia because he didn't have health care.  Ron Paul didn't spend any of his millions to help his friend because he expected churches and private charities to foot the bill.

howeird beale

knownothing wrote:

Also, Nazi stands for National Socialism. Obviously Ron Paul is not that.

 

That's total bullshit.

Ron Paul is a Nazi piece of shit.

He takes money from nazis, nazis hyperlink to his site, nazis endorse him, nazis fundraise for him, he talks about shooting the 'animals', stripping minorities of their protections, herding gays back into the closet, and shooting minorities with unregestered weapons and then wiping and discarding the gun. He hangs out with Klansman, infamous bigot Lew Rockwell introduces him at rallies, and he writes for the websites of holocaust deniers and other reprehensible fucking creeps. He ditched his own run back in '88 so fellow disgusting race hater Pat Buchanan would have a better shot.

And he cashes all the cheques they send him

If that's not a nazi, then close-a-fucking nuff.

He's a racist dickhead. He's a nazi piece of shit.

And YOU couldnt give two fucks.

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howeird beale wrote:

knownothing wrote:

Also, Nazi stands for National Socialism. Obviously Ron Paul is not that.

 

That's total bullshit.

Ron Paul is a Nazi piece of shit.

He takes money from nazis, nazis hyperlink to his site, nazis endorse him, nazis fundraise for him, he talks about shooting the 'animals', stripping minorities of their protections, herding gays back into the closet, and shooting minorities with unregestered weapons and then wiping and discarding the gun. He hangs out with Klansman, infamous bigot Lew Rockwell introduces him at rallies, and he writes for the websites of holocaust deniers and other reprehensible fucking creeps. He ditched his own run back in '88 so fellow disgusting race hater Pat Buchanan would have a better shot.

And he cashes all the cheques they send him

If that's not a nazi, then close-a-fucking nuff.

He's a racist dickhead. He's a nazi piece of shit.

And YOU couldnt give two fucks.

Alright what is your solution? Move the US progressively to the left? Forget about them altogether? WHat?

 

howeird beale

That's not an answer to my post, and you know it. it's a deliberate distraction from that which you refuse to address: namely, that Ron Paul is a nazi piece of shit, and YOU keep promoting him.

There's no ambiguity in this. Hate speech has apparently been his primary field of interest for the past thirty-five years. There's certainly a surfeit of examples of his assholism.

I can only conclude that the impetus of your affection for Mr. Paul, and what you hope to foster by your ceaseless shilling for him, is what he has built his entire career on: bigotry.

No ones interested.

Get lost.

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howeird beale wrote:

That's not an answer to my post, and you know it. it's a deliberate distraction from that which you refuse to address: namely, that Ron Paul is a nazi piece of shit, and YOU keep promoting him.

There's no ambiguity in this. Hate speech has apparently been his primary field of interest for the past thirty-five years. There's certainly a surfeit of examples of his assholism.

I can only conclude that the impetus of your affection for Mr. Paul, and what you hope to foster by your ceaseless shilling for him, is what he has built his entire career on: bigotry.

No ones interested.

Get lost.

 

No. The reason I keep promoting him and I have said this before is because of his anti-war and anti-drug war stance. That is it. You have no solutions. You just complain about everyone and do nothing. You are a shill for nothing and you are wasting humanity's time. Only Nixon could go to China and it may take a right-winger to stop the wars. You are too blind by your personal bias to see possible common ground.

You sound more like a Nazi to me than Ron Paul. I love it how you speak for everyone here when you say no one is interested. You just make up people's mind's for them. That is about the biggest problem with Socialism.

Look at the Hate Speech you are spreading. You can't even admit that some of his stances are right and brave. Look at the fear you are spreading. You are as bad as a Neo-COn. I am talking about finding common ground with the right. Love not anger. Hope not fear.

Tommy Douglas advocated sterilization of handicapped people. Do you see him as a Nazi?

Maybe you should try and look at each issue as objectively as you can and we can make some advancement on issues. The war-profiteers love it that we can't agree on foreign policy because we disagree on economics.

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Knownothing you have missed the part where we all agree that ending american foreign wars and military bases would be a great idea.  However while we all agree with that proposal no one but you believes that a racist shill for corporations will do more good than harm.  A dog eat dog world is not what I envisions when I envision progressive change.  Ron Paul's vision is the worst kind of beggar thy neighbour policy.  

Stargazer

Thanks  Howard,  it appears the faux lefty doesn't give a rat's ass is Ron Paul is a white supremacist, or  that he wants to abolish all forms of social safety net. No, this troll is promoting him "because of his anti-drug stance (which, if the troll had bothered to research is based mainly on his anti-black position).

 

Don't engage with the troll. next thing you know if will be promoting Milton Freidman economics for some crazy reason.

 

I despise Ron Paul supporters like this. So willing to screw over everyone while pretending it's all okay because Ron Paul is "anti-war".

 

What's the solution? Who should take over as president next? Here is a fucking hint - someone who is NOT a nazi piece of crap.

Stargazer

ooops, double post

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They've been talking about Ron Paul on CNN since the debate. He's not specifically antiwar - he's an isolationist. He's also a racist prick. The fact that he has neo-nazi backers should give you a big 'heads-up'.

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Northern Shoveler wrote:

Knownothing you have missed the part where we all agree that ending american foreign wars and military bases would be a great idea.  However while we all agree with that proposal no one but you believes that a racist shill for corporations will do more good than harm.  A dog eat dog world is not what I envisions when I envision progressive change.  Ron Paul's vision is the worst kind of beggar thy neighbour policy.  

I don't think a free-market experiment would be as bad as you are all making it out to be. Just like I don't think a communist government would be as bad as many right-wingers make it out to be. This is why we keep electing centrist governments that support world oppression of third world populations.

 

Stargazer

I've reported your nice little hate post to Howard above. I hope the moderators act accordingly.

Quote from noknowing:

You sound more like a Nazi to me than Ron Paul. I love it how you speak for everyone here when you say no one is interested. You just make up people's mind's for them. That is about the biggest problem with Socialism.

Look at the Hate Speech you are spreading. You can't even admit that some of his stances are right and brave. Look at the fear you are spreading. You are as bad as a Neo-COn. I am talking about finding common ground with the right. Love not anger. Hope not fear.

 

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Boom Boom wrote:

They've been talking about Ron Paul on CNN since the debate. He's not specifically antiwar - he's an isolationist. He's also a racist prick. The fact that he has neo-nazi backers should give you a big 'heads-up'.

He is not an isolationist that is wrong. He is an non-interventionist.

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Stargazer wrote:

I've reported your nice little hate post to Howard above. I hope the moderators act accordingly.

Quote from noknowing:

You sound more like a Nazi to me than Ron Paul. I love it how you speak for everyone here when you say no one is interested. You just make up people's mind's for them. That is about the biggest problem with Socialism.

Look at the Hate Speech you are spreading. You can't even admit that some of his stances are right and brave. Look at the fear you are spreading. You are as bad as a Neo-COn. I am talking about finding common ground with the right. Love not anger. Hope not fear.

 

There is nothing hateful about that.

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knownothing wrote:

I don't think a free-market experiment would be as bad as you are all making it out to be. 

The Koch brothers love you for that.  

knownothing knownothing's picture

Northern Shoveler wrote:

knownothing wrote:

I don't think a free-market experiment would be as bad as you are all making it out to be. 

The Koch brothers love you for that.  

You conveniently ignored the rest of my post.

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knownothing wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

They've been talking about Ron Paul on CNN since the debate. He's not specifically antiwar - he's an isolationist. He's also a racist prick. The fact that he has neo-nazi backers should give you a big 'heads-up'.

He is not an isolationist that is wrong. He is an non-interventionist.

So - you're not bothered by Paul's racism and neo-nazi backers?

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Boom Boom wrote:

knownothing wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

They've been talking about Ron Paul on CNN since the debate. He's not specifically antiwar - he's an isolationist. He's also a racist prick. The fact that he has neo-nazi backers should give you a big 'heads-up'.

He is not an isolationist that is wrong. He is an non-interventionist.

So - you're not bothered by Paul's racism and neo-nazi backers?

Of course, if it is true. But if you are waiting for the perfect candidate you will be waiting a long time.

Stargazer

If it is true? My my you re a nasty piece of work aren't you? Why are you here? You have a clear disdain for the left, you hawk a neo-Nazi as a saviour. You expect others to provide links and research to back up their claims, which they do, and yet you still call Howard a Nazi. You still lie and deflect. Typical right wing behaviour.

 

I sincerly hope you are tossed from the board. There are enough "centrists" out there drinking the Koch Brother\Ron Paul\Tea Party BS. We don't need it here as well.

 

 

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How can you be so knowledgeable about Paul's antiwar stance but so clueless on all that other stuff???

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Boom Boom wrote:

How can you be so knowledgeable about Paul's antiwar stance but so clueless on all that other stuff???

Look, the guy is from Texas. Most of the state is racist and evangelical. He is also a candidate for the Republicans. Of course he is going to have nazis, kkk members, and all types of other supporters. But he also has peace activists. Don't those supporters count for anything?

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Stargazer wrote:

If it is true? My my you re a nasty piece of work aren't you? Why are you here? You have a clear disdain for the left, you hawk a neo-Nazi as a saviour. You expect others to provide links and research to back up their claims, which they do, and yet you still call Howard a Nazi. You still lie and deflect. Typical right wing behaviour.

 

I sincerly hope you are tossed from the board. There are enough "centrists" out there drinking the Koch Brother\Ron Paul\Tea Party BS. We don't need it here as well.

 

 

Wow, I don't even know how to respond to that one. I never called him a Nazi. I said he sounded more like one than Ron Paul.

If it is true yeah racism and bigotry bothers me and is unacceptable. But I don't believe anything I read in the media. Do you believe Jack got a rubdown in the massage parlour or was it just a smear campaign because he got too close to power? Well, it is possible that that is what is happening to Ron Paul as he is a threat to the people perpetuating the corporate-state complex.

 

howeird beale

Yeah, well, I said that in my opinion you're a bigot, which could earn me a break or get me tossed, but at least I have the eggs to admit it, unlike you.

You're the only one for whom racism is a negotiable part of your support for a candidate. Its not the same as being a philanderer or a drunk.

YOU support a guy who has his garbage published by people who say that Auschwitz was a spa.

And I think you know perfectly well who he is. He's a bigot. You've been provided with numerous links to his bigotry, his responses are a matter of public record, but you remain unconvinced. Sorry, pal "I'm too lazy to read" is not a defence. Its a cover-up.

You LIKE that he's a bigot.

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howeird beale wrote:

Yeah, well, I said that in my opinion you're a bigot, which could earn me a break or get me tossed, but at least I have the eggs to admit it, unlike you.

You're the only one for whom racism is a negotiable part of your support for a candidate. Its not the same as being a philanderer or a drunk.

YOU support a guy who has his garbage published by people who say that Auschwitz was a spa.

And I think you know perfectly well who he is. He's a bigot. You've been provided with numerous links to his bigotry, his responses are a matter of public record, but you remain unconvinced. Sorry, pal "I'm too lazy to read" is not a defence. Its a cover-up.

You LIKE that he's a bigot.

Where do you get this stuff? I like that he is a bigot? "You say racism is a negotiable part of your support for a candidate."

I see you just don't bother to support anyone. That sure helps with having to defend their stances, alleged or not.

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Here is Ron Paul arguing his stance on the Civil Rights Act.

It is not racist. It is an issue of property rights and state power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvbJBHhqftc

howeird beale

You dont know me dude. I've given years of my life to native rights campaigns, done cilvil disobedience, chained myself to a battleship, stood there like an idiot on streetcorners gathering names for petitions and handing out fliers, quoted constructive denial precedents to cops wanting to bust me for putting up posters, been one of hundreds of people surrounding a restaurant where racist vermin were having a jamboree, successfully shutting it down so the boneheads had to flee under protection of a phalanx of cops, was a parade marshall when Mandela came, helped organize rallies from 6 people to half a million

Racism is a negotiable part of your support for the candidate.

"Gee. Well that Mr. Hitler certainly did a good job on that Autobahn, who cares that he wants everyone to die?"

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howeird beale wrote:

You dont know me dude. I've given years of my life to native rights campaigns, done cilvil disobedience, chained myself to a battleship, stood there like an idiot on streetcorners gathering names for petitions and handing out fliers, quoted constructive denial precedents to cops wanting to bust me for putting up posters, been one of hundreds of people surrounding a restaurant where racist vermin were having a jamboree, successfully shutting it down so the boneheads had to flee under protection of a phalanx of cops, was a parade marshall when Mandela came, helped organize rallies from 6 people to half a million

Racism is a negotiable part of your support for the candidate.

"Gee. Well that Mr. Hitler certainly did a good job on that Autobahn, who cares that he wants everyone to die?"

I applaud you for your work. I stand for those issues as well. But millions of protesters have not been able to stop US imperialism and the deaths of millions of innocent people and dozens of democratically elected governments all over the world. His libertarian stances could( and probably would) lead to racism and great inequality. BUT WE HAVE THAT ALREADY!

He stands up and says that we shouldn't blame the Muslims for terrorism. How can you say he is racist? He is the only one saying that in the GOP debate!

howeird beale

State power? Really? What do you think the dolts who opposed MLK argued?

State power. Its code for "we'll treat our blacks as we please." It has been since reconstruction.

Have you ever read a book?

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howeird beale wrote:

State power? Really? What do you think the dolts who opposed MLK argued?

State power. Its code for "we'll treat our blacks as we please." It has been since reconstruction.

Have you ever read a book?

Obviously this is a problem with his philosophy when taken to the extreme, but the fact that he stands by it shows he is honest and can be trusted to do what he says when elected.

A book? What is that?

howeird beale

knownothing wrote:

the fact that he stands by it shows he is honest and can be trusted to do what he says when elected.

"Gee, that Hitler sure says what he means. I like his honesty."

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howeird beale wrote:

He has a history dating back to 1976 of saying hateful disgusting frequently violent things about minorites and homosexuals. The links have been provided for you.

Since the links have been provided for you, you are either a moron or willfully desceptive.

I choose the latter.

You're a bigot.

Wow, I thought we were getting somewhere there for a second. Oh well!

 

 

howeird beale

He has a history dating back to 1976 of saying hateful, disgusting, frequently violent things about minorites and homosexuals. The links have been provided for you.

Since the links have been provided for you, you are either a moron or willfully deceptive.

I choose the latter.

You're a bigot.

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howeird beale wrote:

knownothing wrote:

the fact that he stands by it shows he is honest and can be trusted to do what he says when elected.

"Gee, that Hitler sure says what he means. I like his honesty."

You are resorting to fear because you can't argue objectively.

A lack of honesty in our political system is leading to the deaths of more people than Hitler ever killed. Look at the Congo 6 million since 2005.

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I don't support Ron Paul absolutely. I support him relatively compared to the other options. That is how I can look past his questionable comments and positions just like anyone who supports Obama has to look past his positions on tax cuts, war-mongering and the Patriot Act.

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howeird beale wrote:

He has a history dating back to 1976 of saying hateful, disgusting, frequently violent things about minorites and homosexuals. The links have been provided for you.

Since the links have been provided for you, you are either a moron or willfully deceptive.

I choose the latter.

You're a bigot.

I love your logic. Because I support Ron Paul because he is anti-war, I am a bigot.

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First of all, I am tired of progressives. They are just watered down socialists who believe in nothing.

Also, Nazi stands for National Socialism. Obviously Ron Paul is not that.

Here is your problem:

You all start with the premise that the state should intervene in people's affairs. Maybe you should take a look at that premise and question whether there is a down-side to that and maybe you would start to understand Ron Paul's beliefs.

howeird beale

No dipshit. You're a bigot because when presented, by three posters, with links to direct quotes, to photocopies of the newsletters where he spread his bigotry, YOU say, "I'm not convinced."

When he uses the most hackneyed defence of Jim Crow, you say "well, that shows he has integrity."

And when everyone else on this board asks how the hell you can support someone whose stock in trade is violent hate, you say its no worse than a politician getting a handjob.

That's what makes you a bigot.

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I don't deny that he might have a racist past but he is certainly not spreading it out there. Media is more than anyone because they know they can get people like YOU worked up. You are bringing up an obscure newsletter that one of his staffers wrote. Sure he made a comment about how the "swiftness of black men makes them better purse thieves" and that is certainly an unacceptable statement but hardly hateful. 

Besides, you have still haven't explained why someone can't support a candidate for some of his views because some of his other views may be controversial or even wrong(because I don't support freemarket economics)

howeird beale

Suddenly you know about the newsletters and his ridiculous excuses for them.

You're full of shit.

He didnt tell a naughty joke after a third martini in 1962.

He built his entire career on racism.

You think this is my first rodeo you bigoted twerp? I remember people defending Buchanan the same way: "oh, when he said nice things about Hitler, it was as an historian, that doesnt make him a bigot."

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howeird beale wrote:

Suddenly you know about the hewsletters.

You're full of shit.

Of course I know about them. That should be the first thing you find when you learn about Ron Paul. At least that's how the MSM likes it.

Sucker!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKBlk1Vpeuw

howeird beale

knownothing wrote:

Sure he made a comment about how the "swiftness of black men makes them better purse thieves" and that is certainly an unacceptable statement but hardly hateful. 

Interesting definition of hateful.

Fuck off racist asshole

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howeird beale wrote:

knownothing wrote:

Sure he made a comment about how the "swiftness of black men makes them better purse thieves" and that is certainly an unacceptable statement but hardly hateful. 

Interesting definition of hateful.

Fuck off racist asshole

I stand by that I think it is unacceptable hardly hateful

In the video I posted there he says that those stances are wrong OK

He admits that they are wrong and he talks about how Rosa Parks and MLK are his heroes

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howeird beale

Yeah and in his newsletter he said MLK was a communist who preyed on young boys and girls, and he dubbed the MLK holiday "Hate Whitey Day"

He's full of shit.

And so are you racist asshole.

Stargazer

I concur. I'm flagging this person again. I know the mods are busy, it's a Sunday after all, but this person is a despicable apologist for racism and needs to be shown the door.

 

 

knownothing knownothing's picture

howeird beale wrote:

Yeah and in his newsletter he said MLK was a communist who preyed on young boys and girls, and he dubbed the MLK holiday "Hate Whitey Day"

He's full of shit.

And so are you racist asshole.

Didn't Jackie Kennedy just come out confirming some of these claims

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/09/14/jackie-kennedy-belie...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/15/alexander-chancellor...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/new-footage-reveals-how-jacqu...

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Stargazer wrote:

I concur. I'm flagging this person again. I know the mods are busy, it's a Sunday after all, but this person is a despicable apologist for racism and needs to be shown the door.

 

 

I love it Howeird Beale is calling me a racist asshole and a bigot and you want me to be flagged

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