The 193-member assembly voted 114 to 17 to let representatives of the council take over Libya's UN mission in the face of opposition from left-wing Latin American governments.
Wrong.
Libya is a U.S./E.U./NATO War of Aggression that the U.N. to its shame tacitly supported by not protesting against and so far has failed to do a thing to bring the war criminals (like Canada's Lt. Gen. Charles "The Butcher" Bouchard) to justice.
Arab Spring Becomes Arab Fall (and vid)
http://rt.com/programs/big-picture/arab-spring-democracy-reach/
"latest developments surrounding Libya ' etc.(Sept 16)
Islamists' growing sway raises questions for Libya:
The most powerful military leader is now Abdel Hakim Belhaj, the former leader of a hard-line group once believed to be aligned with Al Qaeda.
The growing influence of Islamists in Libya raises hard questions about the ultimate character of the government and society that will rise in place of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi's autocracy...
But as in Egypt and Tunisia, the latest upheaval of the Arab Spring deposed a dictator who had suppressed hard-core Islamists, and there are some worrisome signs about what kind of government will follow. It is far from clear where Libya will end up on a spectrum of possibilities that range from the Turkish model of democratic pluralism to the muddle of Egypt to, in the worst case, the theocracy of Shiite Iran or Sunni models like the Taliban or even Al Qaeda.
Islamist militias in Libya receive weapons and financing directly from foreign benefactors like Qatar; a Muslim Brotherhood figure, Abdel al-Rajazk Abu Hajar, leads the Tripoli Municipal Governing Council, where Islamists are reportedly in the majority; in eastern Libya, there has been no resolution of the assassination in July of the leader of the rebel military, Gen. Abdul Fattah Younes, suspected by some to be the work of Islamists.
Mr. Belhaj has become so much an insider lately that he is seeking to unseat Mahmoud Jibril, the American-trained economist who is the nominal prime minister of the interim government, after Mr. Jibril obliquely criticized the Islamists.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/world/africa/in-libya-islamists-growin...
The 193-member assembly voted 114 to 17 to let representatives of the council take over Libya's UN mission in the face of opposition from left-wing Latin American governments.
Wrong.
Libya is a U.S./E.U./NATO War of Aggression that the U.N. to its shame tacitly supported ....
Umm 
, the UN admission above is simply a fact; it occurred Sept. 16. The original article and quote is attached.
U.S.-backed Al-Qa'eda Terrorists Embarrassed by Gadaffi Loyalists at Bani Walid Qa'eda useless without NATO Luftwaffe
@ Fidel
I note those were your labels rather than what was in the story.
Since you mention al'Quaeda terrorists, I was wondering about the stories demonizing them. Is the problem the fundamentalist faction, or those who some fundamentalists say are outsiders?
Or really, is the difference of opinion that much of a surprise, or a problem at all? After all, our political climate is probably even more divided than that. I don't think anyone is shocked that Canadians don't all think alike.
One bit of distressing news I heard on the radio this morning. The Transitional Council is apparently stopping the flow of migrant refugees out of the country so they can screen them to see who might be mercenaries.
The attacks against them were bad enough; this sign that they might be using them as a scapegoat is worse.
There are no outsiders in Libya if they are black Africans. Gadaffi has said all along that Africa belongs to Africans. It's the Western World and their Qa'eda friends in the TNC who are visitors to Libya. The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group(CIA-backed all along) and merged with Al-Qa'eda, have no right to expel Africans from the CIA's newly created Islamic Maghreb with help from the brutal colonizers of the U.S. and Gladio allies in Europe. The very racist LIFG and their Al-Qa'eda-U.S.A. alliance have no business rounding up and imprisoning black Africans or other Libyans in general. What kind of revolution is it when they murder other Libyans and harass and murder black Africans in Africa?
@ Fidel
I note those were your labels rather than what was in the story.
Perhaps you missed all of the reports on babble explaining covert links between the CIA, Pakistani ISI, MI6, SAS, U.S. Military, British and French militaries, and Mujahideen/Al-Qa'eda terrorism around the world since the 1980s and 90s? Perhaps you would be more comfortable reading lapdog newz media reports about the glorious rebels and their victory in Libya independent of NATO help? Apparently you have 30 year's worth of pent-up cold war denialiasm that wants reckoning with.
Of course I agree with you regarding the attacks on migrant workers, and I don't think it is surprising that it happens in a situation of change like this.
But as for who the anti-Gadaffi forces comprise, I am sorry but I don't think they are all a gang of foreign invaders. As a matter of fact, that is the charge some of them are laying against Mr. Jalil and his faction.
In any case, I wouldn't presume to say that Africans of one race are more "African" than others. In the first place, who are we to say that, not being from there. And in the second place, it is completely irrelevant to finding a practical solution to the problem.
Are you saying that the entire arab culture in Africa should pack up and leave? I don't think so. So if not, why resort to that kind of rhetoric?
@ Fidel
I don't think anyone is challenging that. We have spent a good part of this thread establishing that everyone has been dealing with the imperialists.
That notwithstanding, come back to me with the evidence that the majority of the rebel forces were not Libyan-born.
But as for who the anti-Gadaffi forces comprise, I am sorry but I don't think they are all a gang of foreign invaders. As a matter of fact, that is the charge some of them are laying against Mr. Jalil and his faction.
U.S. and NATO links to militant Islam date back to the 1950s. Lapdog Newz Media have been lying to you constantly. The glasnost is half full.
The US-Al Qaeda Alliance: Bosnia, Kosovo and Now Libya. Washington's On-Going Collusion with Terrorists by Prof. Peter Dale Scott (Canadian)
Sibel Edmonds Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until 9/11 Part 1 (YouTube)
You are trying, and failing, to evade the issue of U.S. collusion with Militant Islam since the 1950s by suggesting that I am saying the rebels are foreigners.
I am not. The few thousands rebels, some of who fought for the CIA in 1980s and 90s Afghanistan, are militants and religious fundamentalists who have no intentions of creating a democracy in Libya. They were chosen by the CIA and NATO long time ago for their ruthlessness and commitment to terrorism. Here's another ad-al-Libi headline:
Libyan Terrorist Leader admits that at least a few of his rebels are NOT Al-Qa'eda!
I'm not avoiding at all, Fidel.
I am saying that those who follow the hard line you focus on are not the only ones who are a part of that struggle. Sorry if I have some hope that ultimately the people of Libya will have some say in what happens there, and that the situation is very much in flux.
After all, as powerful as the Imperialists are, it's not like they can spare any boots on the ground. So their power only goes so far.
Speaking generally, I can see the sense in the U.S. using radical groups to destabilize, but the problem is that they aren't all that reliable when it comes to establishing U.S. order. From what i see so far, the only groups that are talking about what seems to be the the brass ring - that is, the oil reserves - it is the oil company, and Mr. Jalil's faction.
Now if you were looking to extract the most resources and the most profits with the least hassle, which horse would you choose?
After all, what works in Afghanistan does not necessarily work in north Africa.
And of course, I am only speculating about what they might be thinking in Washington - not what the people of Libya will ultimately decide.
Oh I think you're just an apologist for the CIA, NATO and all of their Qa'eda friends in Libya. And I'd appreciate it if you just stop replying to me. You make my arsehole quiver.
the organisation has a troubled history being under pressure from Muammar Gaddafi and Shortly after the 9-11 attacks, LIFG was banned worldwide (as an affiliate of al-Qaeda) by the UN 1267 Committee.[2]
And until June of 2011, the U.K. also listed LIFG as a terrorist organization linked to Al-Qe'ada.
The Glasnost is half full.
Destabilization is the CIA's game. They are carrying out the very imperialist Zbigniew Brzezinski's racist second-hand British imperialist vision for destabilizing the "Middle East" countries through Central Asia. It's been happening more frequently over the last 30 years. And the CIA's links to militant Islam date back to the 1950s.
You make my arsehole quiver.
I just want to say that remark is totally worthless without video...
The NAZIS were our friends, too. Long time cold war allies against Soviet communism.
Never under-estimate the depths to which the Gladio Gang Inc. have sunk to in the recent past. They've done business with numerous scum of the earth organizations over the course of a cold war, which has now deteriorated into a global colder war on democracy. Generally if they are terrorist scum, then it's a good bet they are our best friends forever, or at least until the Glad Gang needs a bogeyman to scare the people into spending hundreds of billions of dollars on military and proliferation of police state.
The 193-member assembly voted 114 to 17 to let representatives of the council take over Libya's UN mission in the face of opposition from left-wing Latin American governments.
Wrong.
Libya is a U.S./E.U./NATO War of Aggression that the U.N. to its shame tacitly supported ....
Umm
Umm, that's not the part I indicated was wrong.
Speaking generally, I can see the sense in the U.S. using radical groups to destabilize, but the problem is that they aren't all that reliable when it comes to establishing U.S. order. From what i see so far, the only groups that are talking about what seems to be the the brass ring - that is, the oil reserves - it is the oil company, and Mr. Jalil's faction.
Now if you were looking to extract the most resources and the most profits with the least hassle, which horse would you choose?
After all, what works in Afghanistan does not necessarily work in north Africa.
And of course, I am only speculating about what they might be thinking in Washington - not what the people of Libya will ultimately decide.
When you talk about "what they might be thinking in Washington" if you are talking about elected officials you are wrong.
In this case, they are not the ones who are determining foreign policy.
It is nonelected government agencies and NGOs (corporations) that determine the foreign policy of the American Empire.
For U.S. Big Oil, war, conflict and instability has ruined the Libyan economy. The TNC will be forced to sell cheap oil to the U.S.
For the arms industry, war and conflict is how they make a living.
For the Pentagon/CIA, they play all sides so that no matter who "wins" and forms the next government when there is war, conflict or coups, the CIA will always have connections it can use to its benefit.
The American Empire and the DoD benefits from having another country-cum-colony where they can establish yet more permanent U.S. overseas military bases like in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Pakistan (the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad) and Iraq (and elsewhere currently and potentially - Syria and Iran perhaps.)
The Pentagon/CIA has been persuing this policy since 1946.
The arms industry with growing intensity since 1950 (the Korean War.)
U.S. Big Oil since 1953 (the overthrow of Iran's Prime Minister and his government.)
The American Empire, the DoD in combination with the others above - since 9/11/01.
This strategy (of making money and gaining influence worldwide) has been working so far and geographical location seems to make no difference.
Do you seriously think that the Pentagon/CIA, U.S. Big Oil, the arms industry, the DoD and the American Empire care what the "Libyan people will ultimately decide"?
Do you seriously think the Libyan people ever had a choice?
Long thread!
