I agree with you Merowe...but don't leave out the "Progressive" NDP, who supported this action as well. Unfortunately, the Cons were not alone!
Libya 21: An Urgent Call for Humanitarian Intervention in Sirte and Bani Walid
Thu, 2011-10-20 20:17
#52
Thu, 2011-10-20 20:38
#53
Well there goes Libya! It's in the hands of NATO/US-backed al-Qaeda rebels. Islamic emirate of the Maghreb here they come. Gladio Inc. and Qaeda do Libya together, like al-CIA'duh did Bosnia and Macedonia and working hand-in-glove together. Militant Islam and right wing western world wackos have been prolific terrorists since the 1990s. Or better make that since the 1950s.
Never forget.
Thu, 2011-10-20 23:44
#54
M. Spector
Libya is not in the hands of al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda is much better organized than the clowns that make up the National Transitional Council.
Fri, 2011-10-21 00:30
#55
Libya is not in the hands of al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda is much better organized than the clowns that make up the National Transitional Council.
LIFG "rebels" are linked to al-Qaeda up to June of this year. Why were they suddenly stricken from the UK's list of terrorist organizations?
al-Qa'eda doesn't exist. They are mujahideen and even "Gucci Mujahideen freedom fighters" with a new handle invented in a NYC court room. Most of their senior members fought for the CIA in 1980s Afghanistan, 1990s Bosnia and Macedonia, 2000s Iraq, and now in 2011 Libya. Elvis bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Karzais, the Zawahiris, Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, Ali Mohamed, the senior Khadr family patriarch etc all fought for the CIA in Central Asia. Zacarias Moussauoi fought for the CIA in Chechnya. Moroccan terrorist group Zalafi Jihadi fought for the CIA in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Dagestan, Bosnia and Kosovo. USS Cole bomber Jamal al-Badawi fought for the CIA in Bosnia. Their bosom friend Hashim Thaci and criminal KLA worked with al-CIA'duh and the Clinton admin to transform Bosnia into a militant Islamic base in the 1990s and so on ad nauseum. al-Qa'eda is a myth meant to fool the gullible. al-Qa'eda is the fuckin Gladio Gang themselves.
Libyan rebel commander admits that at least a few of his fighters are NOT al-CIA'duh!
Fri, 2011-10-21 03:49
#56
"Even if there comes a time when you do not hear my voice, do not give up. Do not despair. Do not stop fighting for your freedom until you have victory.." Muammar Gaddafi
Fri, 2011-10-21 05:06
#57
I agree with you Merowe...but don't leave out the "Progressive" NDP, who supported this action as well.
thank you, NDP parliamentarians, I renewed my membership based largely on that sensible vote
and good luck, rebel Libya
Fri, 2011-10-21 05:23
#58
Statement By Nycole Turmel on Death of Muammar Gaddafi
http://www.ndp.ca/press/statement-by-nycole-turmel-on-death-muammar-gaddafi
"...Our troops have done a wonderful job in Libya over the past few months. I want to salute the efforts and courage of our troops."
Fri, 2011-10-21 06:49
#59
well said,
now get out and let the rebels run their country:
The time has come for Canada to withdraw our military operations. We now need to focus on diplomacy and on rebuilding the country. We need to help Libyans build solid democratic institutions. We would like the Canadian government to show leadership on that front.
New Democrats are proud to have supported Libyans in their quest for democracy and will continue to work with the Libyan people to establish a democratic society.
Fri, 2011-10-21 06:50
#60
NDPPI agree with you Merowe...but don't leave out the "Progressive" NDP, who supported this action as well.
thank you, NDP parliamentarians, I renewed my membership based largely on that sensible vote
and good luck, rebel Libya
and I'm sure there's lots more just like you DaveW, which is probably why they did it. And since it was your tax dollars that helped make this wonderful new democracy in Libya possible, here's part of what you bought - Rebel Libya in action:
Gaddafi's Last Moments (vid)
Fri, 2011-10-21 06:57
#61
Purging Psyops: USA Murdered Gaddafi
http://thesantosrepublic.com/?p=121624
"The Great Libyan Arab Jamahiriya founding father, Col Muammar Gaddafi and his son, Mutassum is indeed dead and was confirmed by Aisha Gaddafi, Saif Al-Gaddafi and their attorney Giovanni Di Stefano..."
Fri, 2011-10-21 08:40
#62
RT:Liberated Libya: No Offence, It's Just Business (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/libya-gaddafi-nato-business-371
"...The death of Gaddafi was very convenient...Libya's gruesome next chapter is mob rule. I think that Libya is in for a period of horrendous chaos after the NATO bombing that brought parts of Libya back to the Stone Age.."
Obama, The Son of Africa, Claims a Continent's Crown Jewels - by John Pilger
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27181
"The de facto conquest of Libya by the US and its imperial partners heralds a modern version of the 'scramble for Africa' at the end of the 19th century..With Libya secured, an American invasion of the African continent is underway.."
Fri, 2011-10-21 09:59
#63
Bec.De.Corbin
Well he's gone; regardless, and we shall see... and in the end that's what this is all about...
Again I chose to wait and see.
Fri, 2011-10-21 10:04
#64
Statement By Nycole Turmel on Death of Muammar Gaddafi
http://www.ndp.ca/press/statement-by-nycole-turmel-on-death-muammar-gaddafi
"...Our troops have done a wonderful job in Libya over the past few months. I want to salute the efforts and courage of our troops."
See, this is why I cannot in good conscience join the NDP, for all the wholesome intentions of many of its supporters. What is there to distinguish this obscene inversion of reality from the sordid illusions pushed by the other leading capitalist parties?
What indignities must one visit upon the TRUTH to characterize daily bombing raids with the most sophisticated modern aircraft, against DEFENCELESS civilian and military targets, by a bunch of delusional white savages who AT NO POINT have actually put themselves in harm's way - as a 'job well done' by 'troops' displaying 'courage'? Perhaps for the modern Canadian, courage means risking missing the dinner bell because one is halfway across the Mediterranean in a supersonic jet, en route to dropping American-made munitions on a culture one has never experienced.
Fri, 2011-10-21 10:55
#65
M. Spector
It's painfully obvious that NDP parliamentarians have erected a chinese wall between themselves and the kind of left/liberal media that babblers are reading and sharing here every day. Their perspective seems to go no further than the managed news of the CBC and the Globe and Mail.
They've never heard of John Pilger. They never read George Galloway or Noam Chomsky or Amy Goodman or Justin Podur or John Bellamy Foster or Tom Engelhardt or Chris Hedges or Rebecca Solnit or Glenn Greenwald or Glen Ford or Bill Quigley or Diana Johnstone or Leo Panitch or Harvey Wasserman or Yves Engler or Marta Harnecker. They don't watch the Real News and they don't read rabble.ca.
They live in a different world than you and me. It's unrealistic to expect them to represent anything other than a mainstream, conventional-wisdom, bourgeois-liberal outlook on the world.
Fri, 2011-10-21 11:33
#66
M. Spector,
How do you think China and Russia will respond to NATO's genocidal scramble for Africa? They are too weak to confront them directly. They may also be too weak to just surrender Africa. Do you think they have a reasonable shot of arming paramilitaries?
Fri, 2011-10-21 11:45
#67
Statement By Nycole Turmel on Death of Muammar Gaddafi
http://www.ndp.ca/press/statement-by-nycole-turmel-on-death-muammar-gaddafi
"...Our troops have done a wonderful job in Libya over the past few months. I want to salute the efforts and courage of our troops."
/quote]
See, this is why I cannot in good conscience join the NDP, for all the wholesome intentions of many of its supporters. What is there to distinguish this obscene inversion of reality from the sordid illusions pushed by the other leading capitalist parties?
What indignities must one visit upon the TRUTH to characterize daily bombing raids with the most sophisticated modern aircraft, against DEFENCELESS civilian and military targets, by a bunch of delusional white savages who AT NO POINT have actually put themselves in harm's way - as a 'job well done' by 'troops' displaying 'courage'? ....
funny, then, where all those thousands of cheering and happy people in the streets of Tripoli and Benghazi suddenly came from ...theoretically, they should not exist, right?
poor fools, I bet not one of them has read Chomsky
Fri, 2011-10-21 12:23
#68
Northern Shoveler
DaveW the definition of a civil war requires there to be two sides. We took sides in a civil war and provided then with the NATO equivalent of the Condor Squads. The "rebels" opposing the Republic win again in Libya like they did in Spain.
You are willfully blind to the people who support Gaddafi and his regime. Are they not Libyans too? The only way most towns were "liberated" was by bombing the fuck out of them and even then many people fought the "rebels." Without NATO bombs the "rebels" would not have won because most of the people of Libya would have chosen peace not a call for death and destruction to be rained down on their neighbours until they cried Uncle Sam.
Tens of thousands of residents of Sirte who were non political and didn't want to be involved in any of this violence are now homeless. Maybe they can save their money and build a new one to replace the housing built with public money that has been largely destroyed in what used to be a city of 100,000. Here is what the tyrant during his 42 years of tyrannical rule in housing. Of all the images from the Libyan conflict how many shanty towns did you see?
I am glad that you can sit in the comfort of North America and decide which side in a civil war (in a country where we can't even read the local press because it is in arabic) should have their villages and cites bombed. How very noble. It is good to see that Canadians are still willing to do our part in dealing with that pesky white man's burden. Those Libyans need to understand that if any of them that do not support "rebel" rule they will be hunted down like dogs and killed without a trial.
Housing is certainly considered one of the major factors to be borne in mind when processing social and economic planning. The provision of houses in Libya helps the citizens own their houses and that consequently contributes to the upgrading of living standards and the provision of the needs of the citizens. Housing in Libya, especially in some cities, indicates that housing of the low income and poor especially in the cities required joint efforts between the public and private sector. Group houses were constructed, residences were provided to employees of companies and establishment, land parcels were distributed, and loans were offered by Real Estate Development Fund or banks in accordance with the housing policies laid down by the government of Libya.
http://www.rics.org/site/download_feed.aspx?fileID=2512&fileExtension=PDF
Fri, 2011-10-21 12:53
#69
dacckon
As the communists took a side against the Fascists in Spain. We should have all intervened there more. Instead, we left Spain to rot and later chose to play cold war political games. When we should have stopped such madness from occuring in the first place.
Yet again the economic argument... which could be said of other dictators, which suddenly absolves them in the eyes of those who trust Alex Jones's newsites? Really? Cmon...
Can you really defend Gadhafi? Really? After all he's done to the world; sponsoring guerrilla warfare, EXECUTING dissidents in OTHER COUNTRIES, the dictatorships he funded, the treasure he amassed and gave towards his fellow elites, his campaign against the culture and religion of others, and the list can go on
Fri, 2011-10-21 13:11
#70
Northern Shoveler
Can you really defend Gadhafi? Really? After all he's done to the world; sponsoring guerrilla warfare, EXECUTING dissidents in OTHER COUNTRIES, the dictatorships he funded, the treasure he amassed and gave towards his fellow elites, his campaign against the culture and religion of others, and the list can go on
Nope I can't. However I will point out that many of his own people do.
Nice list above. Is there anything on that list that does not apply to the US currently and France and Britain in their imperial past?
Despite the fact that I think the US is engaged in war crimes throughout the world I would not want the RCAF bombing their cities. So no I don't think Gaddafi's crimes, which are real, justified this death and destruction of civilians and civilian infrastructure.
Fri, 2011-10-21 14:00
#71
Perhaps the best informed Western middle-east reporter--on post-Gadafi Libya
Scott Horton Interviews Patrick Cockburn
Scott Horton, October 20, 2011Patrick Cockburn, Middle East correspondent for The Independent, discusses Moammar Gadhafi’s death and NATO’s “mission accomplished” in Libya; why the rebel factions will have to find a new cause to rally around, or else face divisions and infighting; why the Arab spring is a genuine grassroots movement, not a CIA-engineered series of color coded revolutions; and having to rely on human rights NGOs for reports critical of Libya’s NTC, since the media doesn’t do its own investigations or publicize information contrary to US government aims (even Al Jazeera is a rebel cheerleader).
http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/10/20/patrick-cockburn-22/
26 minute: MP3 here:
Fri, 2011-10-21 14:04
#72
Sven
So no I don't think Gaddafi's crimes, which are real, justified this death and destruction of civilians and civilian infrastructure.
What level of crimes would a leader of a country have to rise to in order to justify external military action (which will necessarily involve killing civilians and destroying civilian property)? Or would no amount of crime be sufficient to justify such military action?
Fri, 2011-10-21 14:08
#73
What level of crimes would a leader of a country have to rise to in order to justify external military action (which will necessarily involve killing civilians and destroying civilian property)?
Stephen Harper.
I'd assess his crimes as more than sufficient to justify a police action by Libyan Kalashnikov-wielding thugs ringing 24 Sussex with armed pickup trucks, in order to prevent further civilian casualties at his hands.
I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I thought I'd join in - kind of like NATO joining in the fun of murdering Libyans.
Fri, 2011-10-21 16:37
#74
Statement By Nycole Turmel on Death of Muammar Gaddafi
http://www.ndp.ca/press/statement-by-nycole-turmel-on-death-muammar-gaddafi
"...Our troops have done a wonderful job in Libya over the past few months. I want to salute the efforts and courage of our troops."
/quote]
See, this is why I cannot in good conscience join the NDP, for all the wholesome intentions of many of its supporters. What is there to distinguish this obscene inversion of reality from the sordid illusions pushed by the other leading capitalist parties?
What indignities must one visit upon the TRUTH to characterize daily bombing raids with the most sophisticated modern aircraft, against DEFENCELESS civilian and military targets, by a bunch of delusional white savages who AT NO POINT have actually put themselves in harm's way - as a 'job well done' by 'troops' displaying 'courage'? ....
funny, then, where all those thousands of cheering and happy people in the streets of Tripoli and Benghazi suddenly came from ...theoretically, they should not exist, right?
poor fools, I bet not one of them has read Chomsky
Ah, of course. With post-Nazi efficiency the western propaganda machine has made sure to place such images between your ears within hours of Gaddafi's murder - and on cue you regurgitate them - in lieu of critical thought.
Not for you the moment's pause to consider the strangeness of a National Council, apparently ready to govern an entire nation, but unable to rise above apprehending their Evil Dictator 7.0 in a manner indistinguishable from a village mob lynching.
Here is the vanguard of the new Libyan order! Sober, disciplined and scrupulously attentive to the rule of law!
At least I'm spared the trouble of looking up CNN: I can siphon their intellectual content from your posts.
Fri, 2011-10-21 17:15
#75
Bec.De.Corbin
I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I thought I'd join in - kind of like NATO joining in the fun of murdering Libyans.
"joining in the fun"
And to think it only cost us/me 1.5 billion dollars for all that fun... and I didn't even get a fucking hang over.
WTF?
Fri, 2011-10-21 17:16
#76
It's painfully obvious that NDP parliamentarians have erected a chinese wall between themselves and the kind of left/liberal media that babblers are reading and sharing here every day. Their perspective seems to go no further than the managed news of the CBC and the Globe and Mail.
They've never heard of John Pilger. ...
You're talking about WorstPastThePostian politics, the kind which the two old line parties dominated for 140 years in row non-stop in Ottawa. And the one party that has not governed federally can not afford to play colder war cat and mouse games with the stoogeaucracy or their lapdog newz media.
You seem to want the NDP to fight a political war on not one but several fronts and spreading themselves thin against the fascists and their corporate-sponsored propaganda machine.
I can tell you that the NDP will not be so foolish as to splay themselves wide open in order that they may be run through like youre suggesting the NDP should. Why commit political suicide before they've had a chance to govern and prove themselves so much different from the Librano-Tory same old same-old? It doesn't make sense, WorstPastThePostian electoral systems simply do not reward parties for leaning one way or the other politically. The two old line parties have lied their asses off for the last 140 years in a row, and now some of us are upset because the NDP isn't commenting on every foreign affairs event on a daily basis? Why bother? The two old line party leaders did it for many years with countries like apartheid South Africa, puffing-up their chests and condemning racist imperialism while actually do nothing about it while in federal power. I think that if people want platitudes and big promises, then they are certainly barking up the wrong tree with the NDP. Liberal Party politicos like to make all kinds of promises and pay all kinds of lip service to good causes. And now very few Canadians believe a word they say. The crooks and liars and crooked liars have basically given all political leaders bad names. And that's not the NDP's fault either believe it or not.
Why? Why not just vote for the party promising to scrap the bad electoral system churning out fraudulent election results since 1867? Why not stop and do a double take on the one party with a chance of actually changing things for the better in this semi-frozen Puerto Rico where even Polar bears are homeless?
Fri, 2011-10-21 17:21
#77
WorstPastLePost elections are not rocket science. Some of us think that it is, but it really isn't. You pick the best of the worst, and mark an X beside the candidate whose party has crook'd and robbed Canadians the least and kissed Uncle Sam's fat ass fewer times than the two dirty old line parties. It's easy-peasy, just do it.
Fri, 2011-10-21 17:35
#78
I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I thought I'd join in - kind of like NATO joining in the fun of murdering Libyans.
"joining in the fun"
And to think it only cost us/me 1.5 billion dollars for all that fun... and I didn't even get a fucking hang over.
WTF?
Aww. A very selfish view, Bec.
The money that you taxpayers (aka "fish") pay for foreign wars is merely wealth investment and social redistribution to those who need it more: the military industry, and oil companies.
In the words of dear Senator Graham:
Let’s get in on the ground. There is a lot of money to be made in the future in Libya. Lot of oil to be produced. Let’s get on the ground and help the Libyan people establish a democracy and a functioning economy based on free market principles.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/10/20/348754/graham-libya-money-t...
Fri, 2011-10-21 17:52
#79
Bec.De.Corbin
Sill at least you'd think I'd get laid or something...LOL
Oh wait... I don't have a head ache I got a pain in my ass...
I feel so much better now.
Fri, 2011-10-21 18:00
#80
Bizarre.
Fri, 2011-10-21 18:41
#81
Bec.De.Corbin
Bizarre.
CAA CAA CAA
Fri, 2011-10-21 19:33
#82
US and NATO Murder Muammar Gaddafi - by Bill Van Auken
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/oct2011/gadd-o21.shtml
"The savage killing on Thursday of deposed Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi served to underscore the criminal character of the war that has been prosecuted by the US and NATO over the past eight months. The killing of Gaddafi is the culmination of a criminal war that killed untold numbers of Libyans and left most of the country in ruins.
This operation was launched on the pretext of protecting civilian lives, based on the trumped up claim that Gaddafi was preparing to lay siege to the eastern city of Benghazi, to massacre his opponents. It has ended with NATO orchestrating a siege of Sirte, where thousands have been killed and wounded.
From the beginning the entire operation has been directed at the re-colonization of North Africa. The unstable puppet regime that is taking shape in Benghazi and Tripoli, has been installed through relentless and massive [Canadian-led] NATO bombing, murder and the wholesale violation of international law.
There can be no doubt that future operations are on the way, with bigger wars coming into focus, posing catastrophic consequences...
Colonel Gaddafi Captured and Killed (and vid)
http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/10/20/colonel-gaddafi-captured...
"The last words of Colonel Gaddafi on the video were 'This is wrong, this is against Islamic law,' and then he said to his abusers: 'Do you know right from wrong?'
The barbaric deaths of Muammar and his son at the hands of the NATO-backed rebels are only a surprise to those who have depended on the mainstream media and the NATO propaganda machine for their information on this conflict. There needs to be a full inquiry by human rights activists into how the media, people across the political spectrum and humanitarian organisations were hijacked into supporting or remaining silent in the face of the [Canadian-led] NATO bombing campaign, the ethnic cleansing and atrocities committed against black people, and the subversion of democratic, civilised discourse which the Libyan conflict marks.."
Fri, 2011-10-21 19:54
#83
M. Spector
The summary execution of an unarmed captive prisoner is now deemed unremarkable by our corporate media. Mob "justice" is all just standard operating procedure.
The new standard procedure of the imperialist armies and their proxies is illegal assassination rather than recognized norms of civilized justice. They did it to bin Laden and American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki; they have done it to more than a thousand so-called "militants" in half a dozen countries with drone attacks in their targeted assassination program. They learned this tactic from the Israelis, who practised it against the Palestinians.
The rule of law is dead and the media don't give a damn.
Fri, 2011-10-21 21:09
#84
Ghadafi and the Axis of Evil - by Dr. Christof Lehman (and vid)
http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/ghadafi-and-the-axis-of-evil/
"...The war on Libya is not directed against one man, but the entire Libyan people, Africa, Russia and China."
Sat, 2011-10-22 00:16
#85
Clinton on Qaddafi (and vid)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29472.htm
"We came! We saw! He died!"
TRN: Gaddafi's Murder and International Law (and vid)
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...
"This was an extrajudicial killing and supported by Hillary Clinton. It's very unfortunate. But the issue is not so much about Gaddafi, but that this symbolizes the final occupation, the recolonization of Libya.." Firoze Manji, Pambazuka News
Gaddafi's Wife Asks the UN to Investigate His Death
http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20111021/wl_nm/us_libya_gaddafi_wife
"...The wife of Gaddafi 'asks the United Nations to investigate the death of the fighters Muammar and Mo'tassin,' Arrai TV said...Gaddafi's wife was proud of her husband's courage and her children who it said, stood up to 40 countries and their agents, throughout six months and considered them to be martyrs..."
Sat, 2011-10-22 01:10
#86
Hey Bec, but these RATOs fight FOR the 1% - you must have missed it...Caw!
Should Moammar Gadhafi's Death Be Investigated?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2011/10/should-moammar-gadhafis-dea...
"Should there be an investigation into Gadhafi's death? Many members of the CBC Community have said an investigation would be a waste of time and money. What do you think? Let us know in the comments below.."
Hannibal Lector cheerleader-media sports with us
How the West Won Libya - by Pepe Escobar
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29473.htm
"...To the winners, the spoils. They all did it; The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the Pentagon and the TNC. From the minute a UN resolution imposing a no-fly zone over Libya became a regime change, plan A was always to capture and kill him. Targeted assassination; that's Barack Obama's administration's official policy. There was no plan B.
As for R2P...Anyone who wants to check NATO's protection of civilians, just needs to jump on a pickup truck and go to Sirte - the new Fallujah. As for the concept of international law, it lies in a drain as filthy as the one Gaddafi was holed up in.."
Sat, 2011-10-22 02:07
#87
Bec.De.Corbin
[Wow, that was a nice drunk rant]
And here we go... Its revolutionary war, its ending is going to be ugly.
I just hope it is the end.
Sat, 2011-10-22 18:28
#88
The 'Liberation' of Libya - by Bill Van Auken
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/oct2011/pers-o22.shtml
"Libya's NATO-backed NTC is set to announce the supposed completion of the country's 'liberation' this weekend following the lynching of former ruler Muammar Gadhafi. What is being celebrated with the speech to be delivered by NTC chairman Mustafa Abdel Jalil, Gaddafi's former justice minister, is not the liberation of the Libyan people but rather the victory of the major imperialist powers in a war aimed at turning the clock back to the days of colonialism.
It has been achieved by mean of a [Canadian-led] bombing campaign that has reduced much of the country's infrastructure to rubble and left thousands of Libyan men, women and children, dead and wounded. Its final chapter, the barbaric siege of the coastal city of Sirte and the murder of Gaddafi, his son and other former members of his regime only underscroes the criminality of the entire venture.
These crimes provide the ultimate exposure of the pretense that the war in Libya was waged for 'humanitarian' aims to protect civilians from the Gaddafi regime. In Sirte, NATO provided cover for a 'rebel' army carrying out precisely the kind of bloody assault on a civilian population center that the UN-NATO intervention was purportedly designed to protect.."
If the description of this war as a 'criminal venture' is correct, and I believe it is, then it was also a joint cirminal venture, in which all of Canada's federal politicians actively and knowingly participated. This arguably makes them, given what has been done in Libya, unindicted, 'credibly suspected' warcrininals. Did these 'representatives' accurately represent the wishes of their constituents in this matter?
Sun, 2011-10-23 09:51
#89
When I saw those savages mauling Ghadaffi and ripping him apart, bloodying his face, I could not help but be overfilled with contempt. The destruction of their country could not happen to a more revolting group of people. I temper my criticism only with the realization that they are not the unanimous voice of their country... that minority, however, is disgusting. Useful idiots of western imperialism who are fighting against their own people.
Sun, 2011-10-23 11:37
#90
A lot of superficial people wear Che Guevara tshirts, but if Che Guevara were alive today I think half this forum would be celebrating a CIA drone assassination on his life.
Sun, 2011-10-23 12:30
#91
Asia TimesHow the West won Libya
By Pepe Escoba
....To the winners, the spoils. They all did it; the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the Pentagon and the TNC. From the minute a United Nations resolution imposing a no-fly zone over Libya became a green card to regime change, plan A was always to capture and kill him. Targeted assassination; that's Barack Obama administration official policy. There was no plan B.
Let me bomb you to protection
As for how R2P ("responsibility to protect" civilians), any doubters should cling to the explanation by NATO's secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen; "NATO and our partners have successfully implemented the historic mandate of the United Nations to protect the people of Libya." Anyone who wants to check NATO's protection of civilians just needs to jump on a pick-up truck and go to Sirte - the new Fallujah.
United States President Barack Obama said the death of Gaddafi means "we are seeing the strength of American leadership across the world". That's as "we got him" as one can possibly expect, also considering that Washington paid no less than 80% of the operating costs of those dimwits at NATO (over $1 billion - which Occupy Wall Street could well denounce would be more helpful creating jobs in the US). Strange, now, to say "we did it", because the White House always said this was not a war; it was a "kinetic" something. And they were not in charge....
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MJ22Ak03.html
And so, the sociopathic collection of empire-toadying MP's from the three Canadian parties will sleep soundly
knowing that their blatant lies about "the responsibility to protect" will never be dwelt on by that same media God that cues their strategies.
Sun, 2011-10-23 13:11
#92
CBC Poll: What Role Should Canada Play in Libya's Future?
I voted for 'none'.
I notice the CBC is careful not to include a survey option for: 'None, and we need to clean our own stoogeaucracy from the halls of power in Ottawa'.
Sun, 2011-10-23 13:31
#93
I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I thought I'd join in - kind of like NATO joining in the fun of murdering Libyans.
"joining in the fun"
And to think it only cost us/me 1.5 billion dollars for all that fun... and I didn't even get a fucking hang over.
WTF?
As far as the Libyan war is concerned, the cost in tax dollars demonstrates that you are the biggest victim in this ordeal.
Sun, 2011-10-23 14:04
#94
Northern Shoveler
CBC Poll: What Role Should Canada Play in Libya's Future?
I voted for 'none'.
I voted for Other.
We should immediately disengage from the assault on the country and begin making war reparation payments for the destruction we have wrought. Starting with payments to the families of all the civilians our RCAF murdered.
Sun, 2011-10-23 14:16
#95
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/world/africa/many-in-sub-saharan-afric... in Sub-Saharan Africa mourn Qaddafi's death[/url]
Sun, 2011-10-23 15:44
#96
M. Spector
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/world/africa/many-in-sub-saharan-afric... in Sub-Saharan Africa mourn Qaddafi's death[/url]
[b]Thirty thousand[/b] people gathered in the Qaddafi Mosque in Kampala, Uganda to mourn his death?
Wow. Just, wow. [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/o782z8.gif[/IMG]
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I guess they don't just hate us for our freedoms, after all!
Sun, 2011-10-23 18:35
#97
M. Spector and Unionist, I just want to write that I appreciate your efforts.
I constantly recall an Albert Einstein story. A the start of World War I, he decided to get a petition going against the war -- he got three signatures.
I like to believe that the situation here is a little bit better.
Sun, 2011-10-23 18:52
#98
M. Spector
I constantly recall an Albert Einstein story. A the start of World War I, he decided to get a petition going against the war -- he got three signatures.
He didn't get them from social democrats. [url=http://www.morrischia.com/david/portfolio/boozy/research/social_20democr... supported the Great War.[/url]
The betrayals have continued ever since.
Sun, 2011-10-23 20:09
#99
Sun, 2011-10-23 21:38
#100
dacckon
He didn't get them from social democrats. [url=http://www.morrischia.com/david/portfolio/boozy/research/social_20democr... supported the Great War.[/url]
The betrayals have continued ever since.
Bahahahaha, Still throwing this insult around eh? Quite impressive, but without your insults, your points are nothing. Infact, they are nothing even with your insults.
If your a communist, for example, I do not accuse you of being a Leninist or a Stalinist who many associate the murders of so many innocent russians. You may follow the menshevik tradition, perhaps you relate more to the communist party in Cyprus which governs now. Is it therefore right to consider you the direct heir of the soviet union and the lives that it took? I think logic would say no.
Now my point, to adress this ignorant little insult paraded about the forums now and then, is to say that every ideology may get blood on its hands. Every ideology might contain a couple of assholes, if you will. Perhaps your is some obscure little thing, or perhaps its some anarchist prince who none remember. Perhaps it is not mainstream enough, but if it ever does become mainstream you would surely see that its followers/actions are not perfect.
It is not ironic, that the man who is considered a founding thinker and icon of social democracy, Eduard Bernstein, left the SPD, because of its support of World War One. He was afterall, a man who fought for peace and against the notion of irreconcilable class conflicts. But Eduard Bernstein was more than this. He was not from the left-wing of the party, nor its middle, but from the right-wing of the party on economic issues. Infact, he was anti-protectionist and anti-populist, warning of the dangers it would create via future conflicts with the English.
But there is a subtle point there that sums up my argument, but perhaps you were too reliant on thinking of insults to see it. Perhaps that confirmation bias got in the way. During that time, the SPD had a super majority of members who were way more left than Bernstein. Infact, they were many revolutionaries in that party. The words, social democracy, meant something much broader in that time. There were people in that party who could not be described as evolutionary socialists, who supported WW1.
From 1915 onwards the theoretical discussions within the SPD were instead dominated by a group of former anti-revisionist Marxists [Like this guy], who tried to legitimize the support of the First World War by the German SPD group in the Reichstag with Marxist arguments.
Now, if you still don't understand my points, let me sum it up a short manner that you may understand; fuck you.
Sun, 2011-10-23 23:45
#101
Manic Wombat
"Our government shall be speaking with our allies to pretend ... prepare for the end of our military mission in the next few days," he said.