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Cross Pollination of Research Areas
Thu, 2011-10-27 05:13
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Cross Pollination of Research Areas
Thu, 2011-10-27 06:35
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[i]Nutrinos, and muons and faster than light. Lets leave all that to einstein and hawkin, we are not smart enough and we do not have time enough to figure that shit out.[/i][b]See[/b]: Berkeley Earth Releases Global Land Warming Analysis
It is amazing what one finds when researching material in one category of the sciences to see it has applicability in other areas. I am sure those whom have followed my links will have found reference to Murray Gell-Mann earlier in my postings here on Babble and where his experiences as a scientitist are providing for such cross pollinations.
Maybe you know of others?
Nicole Ackerman thought she would always be a particle physicist—until a newfound interest in biology drew her toward medical imaging. Her research on Cherenkov radiation, the blue glow from charged particles outracing light, could aid development of cancer treatments.
By Roberta Kwok
Thu, 2011-10-27 19:59
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Ok, fair enough. What I meant to say was that for people of my intelect, this stuff is just too complicated to understand. I think that most people are at around my level so we have not a hope in hell of understanding it well enough to discover something. I do not have the math for it and the hardware to do particle physics is just outside my price range too. For the man and lady in the street, there is other stuff where their skills can usefully be meployed.
There are hundreds of things right here on earth that we CAN do something about and that we don't even need to understand to make progress. I did original solar cooking research. There is simply nothing going on to design better reflector geometrics. And there hasn't been for years since the mid 1970's. (There was a high tech development process from Bill Gross a few years ago, but he never released his design or how he did it with genetic alogorothims) . What he came up with was totally counter intuitive!). I reverse engineered a reflector (and a new way to design reflectors) just before the haiti earthquake and people have not used the hardware or software that I used in the process. The thing about this was that it was counterintuitive too. I put it out there but because the shape was unexpected and because I am nobody, They have ignored it for the most part. They think that I and they do not have the smarts to make progress on this. But since the 1970's we have digital cameras, we have software and combine the 2 and ordinary people have stuff that they would just drool thinking about. Your camcorder has a timestamp so you can do superaccurate recording of processes, digital thermometers mean you do not even need to be there to record temperature!
I used the 3d rendering from a free animation program as an aid in the process. (So that people would not have to get their hands dirty but could still join in) but it is pretty tough. But then, the advocates for the program (which is great and intuiative) who helped a lot at the start were simply not interested in joining in. It could be used today as a seasonal gardening tool and as a far better solar design tool but instead it struggles. I don't have the math or programming to do what I suggested to them, so on the one hand they are trying to get "art of illusion" more widely used and on the other not making it into a "must have" tool.
I tried to keep it as low tech as possible so that others would be confident that they could outdo me. But it hasn't happened. (Mike Scirocco might be working on something and I sent him some pdf files several months ago). There IS hope for discovering something interesting. Humans miss pretty obvious things. I made a point recently about this on the mythbusters forums. The Archimedes screw and waterwheel were invented about 2400 years ago in Greece. Pretty much right away, people realized that waterwheeels could be used to extract power from rivers OR be powered to pump water. (human and animal powered waterwheels were used in mines to pump water out of the mines) But this dual nature was only discovered (and patented) for the Archimedes screw in 1992! Over 2000 years LATE! They call the "new" device the hydrodynamic screw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1w7Img5muM These things are up to 80% efficient which blows the waterwheel efficiency away. Anyway, we will all die in so many billion years (at best) but for most of us it will be a lot sooner. So I think we should try to keep our feet on the ground. By the way, some of my solar tracking stuff and pulser pump stuff got used in windowfarms before it got used elsewhere. (So there is some cross fertilization going on at the low level.) Not as much as I would like.
Brian
Thu, 2011-10-27 20:51
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They call the "new" device the hydrodynamic screw.
Looks like a opportunity for a "run of the river project" in BC?:) We know "some had knowledge of contracts" so as to benefit by enduring the population to commitments?
There was a high tech development process from Bill Gross a few years ago, but he never released his design or how he did it with genetic algorithms
I am not sure if it was you who had provided links for people who ideas that could share them. Was that you? Ah Ingenuity, is a topic unto itself?
I know I have a good one too....know all about research and development, but just getting to old to look for people who would be interested. I would have liked to patent but need a workable model(solar cells are interesting). I know some are very close to what I am saying.
But anyway, ideas are great....and what you have shown is determination to make something viable and of use to those considering their level of income that is close to that of being poor while also seeing capabilities of, in case of calamities.
Mother Earth magazine has some articles about solar, wind turbines and wood heat. Yes, why are we not more self sufficient by now? To busy just trying to stay alive? :) Yes come to think of it there was talk here in a thread on these issues about types of wood etc.
Best,
Thu, 2011-10-27 21:28
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Okay Brian you brought the topic down to earth. But like cross pollination in regards to Physics such thought occupy scientists who specialize in one area take it into another. A lot of time I have referred too, "economics" as a case in point. The Manhattan Project of the 2000's
So it is not just in the everyday use but cutting edge that you put your skills to use in today's world too. Using your perspective on invention and design. You see how this can be used in a different format. You have to make a good observer of the processes that are existing outside our everyday frame of reference to see how applicability may be used in the ideas of cross pollination. Archimedes was a good point. I like his question of what the Crown is made of, by using the scale?
Just as it is well known to anyone who takes the care to read ancient authors that Archimedes discovered the jeweler’s theft in Hiero’s crown, it seems to me the method which this great man must have followed in this discovery has up to now remained unknown. Some authors have written that he proceeded by immersing the crown in water, having previously and separately immersed equal amounts [in weight] of very pure gold and silver, and, from the differences in their making the water rise or spill over, he came to recognize the mixture of gold and silver of which the crown was made. But this seems, so to say, a crude thing, far from scientific precision; and it will seem even more so to those who have read and understood the very subtle inventions of this divine man in his own writings; from which one most clearly realizes how inferior all other minds are to Archimedes’s and what small hope is left to anyone of ever discovering things similar to his [discoveries]. I may well believe that, a rumor having spread that Archimedes had discovered the said theft by means of water, some author of that time may have then left a written record of this fact; and that the same [author], in order to add something to the little that he had heard, may have said that Archimedes used the water in that way which was universally believed. But my knowing that this way was altogether false and lacking that precision which is needed in mathematical questions made me think several times how, by means of water, one could exactly determine the mixture of two metals. And at last, after having carefully gone over all that Archimedes demonstrates in his books On Floating Bodies and Equilibrium, a method came to my mind which very accurately solves our problem. I think it probable that this method is the same that Archimedes followed, since, besides being very accurate, it is based on demonstrations found by Archimedes himself. Galileo and the Scientific Revolution by Laura Fermi and Gilberto Bernardini (Translated with the assistance of Cyril Stanley Smith) Basic Books, Inc., New York, 1961 Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 61-7486
I may have internalize the scale to mean that we too can use this to determine what are considered the Myths of the Mettle as some function of an ancient idea about our own internal measures. In response to Myth of the Metals the author here totally mssed the point?
"Plato made clear that merit and not heredity defined the gold man and that gold could be found in all parts of society."
Some "Noble Lie" perhaps? Well hopefully we don"t see such obligations "to religion" shall rule as the seat of our politicians? Naw....it can't be...can it? I am talking not about religion but of something that exists in each of us, and as an idea how ethereal this could have been interpreted, an ideal is a forming apparatus we can have about our own selves? Just wanted to further show you Brian how complex.....yet how subtle such transformations can indeed take place.:)
Fri, 2011-10-28 02:24
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The hydrodynamic screw is out of patent as far as I know. (so anyone can make one). I tried to find a canadian example (there was a good one last year but maybe they took it off youtube). It is good for real run of river (not the type of giant project they have in BC) but It isn't as good for fish as they say. The fish can go down it but they cannot go up. So fish ladders are needed as well and fish ladders have to be managed well.. There is another new one (from Austria) that the fish can go up and down called a gravitational vortex power plant. http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDstgroup#p/u/6/p9Hj2IBiGR8 is it before a test run and http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDstgroup#p/u/5/F_3xYjZhKjA is the test run itself. (it runs rougher and faster in the test because there is no load). If you look at video number 1 there is a guy standing in the water beside the turbine so you can see lots of room for the fish to come upstream at the bottom. It is still in patent but that one, I think, is the very best run of river design that is available. Franz Zotlöterer has garunteed me that a fast fish like a trout or a slow fish like a bullhead can easily go up or downriver THROUGH his power plant. Some people have called bullshit because he (or someone) has advertized this in peswiki (one of the free energy places). (But also, he has won a bunch of national and international engineering awards for this.) And the ones shown are in Switzerland which iis a country that takes engineering pretty seriously. Anyway, run of river to me, means as little change to the river as possible. And as far as I know, the gigantic scemes in BC have nothing to do with run of river. If the river goes through a culvert for a few hundred meters, it isn't run of river. Zotlötere's design can provide power from the river and allow fish to live. How often have you seen mention of it in the Canadian press? After all we care about our fish, don't we?
Brian
They call the "new" device the hydrodynamic screw.Looks like a opportunity for a "run of the river project" in BC?:) We know "some had knowledge of contracts" so as to benefit by enduring the population to commitments?
There was a high tech development process from Bill Gross a few years ago, but he never released his design or how he did it with genetic algorithmsI am not sure if it was you who had provided links for people who ideas that could share them. Was that you? Ah Ingenuity, is a topic unto itself?
I know I have a good one too....know all about research and development, but just getting to old to look for people who would be interested. I would have liked to patent but need a workable model(solar cells are interesting). I know some are very close to what I am saying.
But anyway, ideas are great....and what you have shown is determination to make something viable and of use to those considering their level of income that is close to that of being poor while also seeing capabilities of, in case of calamities.
Mother Earth magazine has some articles about solar, wind turbines and wood heat. Yes, why are we not more self sufficient by now? To busy just trying to stay alive? :) Yes come to think of it there was talk here in a thread on these issues about types of wood etc.
Best,