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Anonymous Hacktivist what to you think of them
Fri, 2011-10-21 23:56
#1
Anonymous Hacktivist what to you think of them
Sat, 2011-10-22 00:13
#2
You know what, Lefauve? I have a hard time believing you don't know how to spell "activist".
I don't know what your game is here.
Sat, 2011-10-22 00:33
#3
Wow, this is funny on so many levels... 
Okay. Sorry.
Sat, 2011-10-22 00:34
#4
You know what, Lefauve? I have a hard time believing you don't know how to spell "activist".
I don't know what your game is here.
It how they describe themself it not from me. It a merge of hacker and activist.
And i got no game, it purely to discuss a relatively recent phenomena about 3 year and to know what other babbler think of them.
Sat, 2011-10-22 00:36
#5
Wow, this is funny on so many levels...
Accepted, my friend.
Got an opinion?
Sat, 2011-10-22 00:53
#6
At least that group is high in color
here the anonymous website.
Sat, 2011-10-22 00:55
#7
This is the logo of the hacktivist group Anonymous.
Recently they are really active with the occupy wallstreets and managed to pick my curiosity.
I've done a bit of searching on them read there text and watch there video and analyse of the structure of there organisation.
I also read various other analyse done by journalist and blogger.
and i found that movement is here to stay. What ever there opponent do.
What it make them so resistant is there are no head to destroy or leader everybody can act as Anonymous it more like a philosophy. Everybody hide there identity to one and other or have a very limited contact to other member.
Sat, 2011-10-22 01:50
#8
I could see how that kind of vigilanteeism could go very wrong.
On the other hand, taking on the scientologists, VISA and Mastercard and this:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/21/anonymous-takes-down-kiddie-porn...
is hard to object to.
I'll be interested to see how they pull off the destruction of Facebook on Nov 5.
I do wish they'd lose the Guy Fawkes imagery though. Somehow I think emulating a right-wing religious terrorist (and not to mention all the royalties royalties for Time Warner) is a bit contradictory.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/technology/masked-anonymous-protesters...
Sat, 2011-10-22 02:41
#9
I think Anonymous is great.
I particularly like this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC9Vyt1ZBpQ
And if movie studios clue in that they can make money by promoting subverside imagery that can inspire revolution, well, that's great too.
Sat, 2011-10-22 08:18
#10
They use the same headless logo as a cover for one of the articles contained within a collective and anonymously compiled journal that came out of France around 1999, published by Paris based La Fabrique. If a relation exists it seems they've moved their work not only from print to digital, but from theory to practice.
Sat, 2011-10-22 10:02
#11
I like the imagery of what I consider the "V for Vendetta" mask. Guy Fawkes, admittedly, is problmatic in some ways.
I like Anonymous so far. Or at least, I like the idea. It is hard to say how effective they are. Maybe they put a big hurt on Visa and others, maybe they didn't. Visa sure isn't about to say-- of course they'd say they weren't hurt.
Be that as it may, it leaves the impression in my view that to date, Anonymous is more about bluster than action. But I will say that so far, if their actions were fully realized, I have no quarrel with them.
Sat, 2011-10-22 10:59
#12
But I will say that so far, if their actions were fully realized, I have no quarrel with them.
I'm surprised at you Tommy. You take no issue with the virtual smashing of windows and firebombing of banks. Where is this all heading with you?
Sat, 2011-10-22 11:09
#13
@ Tommy_Paine
I agree.
I am just thinking of a scenario in which they wind up publicizing the name of someone who hasn't done anything wrong.
Or if they were to take down a large system which wound up hurting (or worse) an innocent person who was dependent on it.
I think the recent case of Wikileaks - both the accidental leak of information, and Assange's treatment of leaks as property - is evidence that sometimes these ad hoc organizations and methods don't always get used as planned.
And while the anonymity and diffuse nature of the (dis)organization is important, those things make an even greater potential for misuse and lack of control when something goes wrong.
Of course that hasn't happened yet, and let's hope they stay ahead of the learning curve. Like you, I think they have picked their targets well so far.
and @ Slumberjack
I guess I'm guilty of the same double standard. Again, They have picked their targets well - Moloch, black magic shakedown artists, and those who prey on the most innocent.
Sat, 2011-10-22 11:18
#14
Just looking at some of the stuff on wikipedia.
things like the attack on the Epilepsy Foundation (and posting seizure-inducing strobes) is nothing but malicious. Was it members of anonymous? Was it the C of S trying to discredit them?
Who knows? But again, as this becomes a more legitimate tactic and form of protest the more it will be used in malicious and personal ways.
Sat, 2011-10-22 11:52
#15
"I'm surprised at you Tommy. You take no issue with the virtual smashing of windows and firebombing of banks. Where is this all heading with you?"
Nowhere I haven't said before.
Distill it down and what are we all trying to do here, and what are other people trying to do? Well, we are asking that people with power share it out. Sure, often the arguement is framed in terms of economics or money, sometimes democratic principles. But that is the essential nub of the matter.
We are asking those with power to share it.
And they will not without bloodshed. Let's not be naive about that.
I am all for peacefull, law abiding protest. Consumer action. Petitions.
But as peacefull law abiding protest starts to get effective, those avenues will be shut down. Note how we now have "approved" protest sites. Two weeks ago, the protest against the Mega Quary held a rally at Queen's Park.
One of the prohibited items listed were candles.
Candles.
So, as I say, as protests start to be effective, the right of peacefull assembly will be made illegal.
And so will other forms of peacefull protest, one way or another.
I expect those who arrange boycotts will one day soon be sued by the targets. Slap suits, etc.
So what is legal and illegal becomes blurred.
A denial of service attack? How is that different from corporations that load your computer down with so many cookies and spy ware etc., that it slows down your computer as it spys on you? Your computer is your property, yet business can interfere with it-- vandalize it-- to their hearts content.
But you have to exhaust all the peacefull means first.
Anonymous, as far as I can tell, hasn't done anything our opponents haven't done or are doing to us-- and are porbably doing better, truth be known.
The issue about sharing power is that we'd like to write some laws too. Right now, the politicians write laws for the corporations. It's little wonder they get to do what they want, and we don't. They have made a joke of the law.
They think they have put themselves above the law, but there will come a time when they realize that they have in fact put themselves outside the law-- and the protections it provides.
Sat, 2011-10-22 16:57
#16
i think the masks and some of the stylistic things they pull from hollywood to be a bit irritating and really cheesey. At the same time, it's good to have computer experts on our side as well. i guess in the interests of a large range of tactics it's a good thing.
Sat, 2011-10-22 20:31
#17
Persuant to what I was talking about, the laws being changed to effectively outlaw peacefull protest:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/20/the-1-are-changing-the-law-to-sh...
"Of course, one way around this is to make it illegal to actually gather anyplace to protest. Or to use bullhorns to make yourself heard. Or to protest within earshot of the very thing you wish to protest. Or to walk on public sidewalks while protesting. You get the idea. The 1% are abusing the law to take away our Constitutional right to peaceably assemble and using the police to enforce their will."
Sun, 2011-10-23 13:45
#18
Remember the cat in the wheelie bin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYdUZdan5i8
Coventry cat tormentor Mary Bale has become the latest victim of 4chan - a website credited with creating some of the web's biggest phenomena, whose users wreak havoc across cyberspace. Just what is it all about?When CCTV footage emerged of a middle-aged lady stroking a cat before dumping it in a wheelie bin, millions were outraged.
But in one murky corner of the internet, the scent of blood was detected.
En masse, an army of cyber-pranksters swung into action and culprit Mary Bale was initially outed not by the forces of Fleet Street but by users of an online community.
According to reports, they quickly established her identity, her workplace and her employer's phone number. Death threats and prank calls quickly followed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10520487
These sorts of actions seem to be less about speaking truth to power and more about swinging a big dick on the Internet.
I did like their attacks on Scientology, though. And I got a certain amount of guilty pleasure from the shaming of the cat abuser. But is this activism, or entertainment? It's not so clear.
Sun, 2011-10-23 22:05
#19
@Sineed
Unfortunatelly in a group there are alway some extremist that goes too far!
How to qualifie the Anonymous Hacktivist phenomena?
We can't call it an organisation because they are totally deorganized, even if they plan extremely efficient in there attack.
They got no leader, no thinker. But at the same time they go access to a large panel of expert in different dicipline who might sympatize with the cause.
As the ability to
infiltrate an organisation since they got no "racial profile" or "ethnic profile" or even "social profile" filter them is almost impossible and more over any employee can turn as an active symphatisant even after year of service.
That "group" is like a live application of the chaos law.
No wonder they turned into the nightmare of the secret service.
Sun, 2011-10-23 22:42
#20
Well, we are asking that people with power share it out....And they will not without bloodshed.
Blood is being shed regardless if people ask for a share from power.
They have made a joke of the law. They think they have put themselves above the law, but there will come a time when they realize that they have in fact put themselves outside the law-- and the protections it provides.
Law in the context of Western society can essentially be reduced, as we often witness it, to what is willed, permitted, or disallowed by a system that seeks to preserve and enhance itself.
But you have to exhause all peaceful means first.
Those means were exhaused years ago, which in any event were largely applied by and expected from western protest movements. It seems everyone else has been exhaused by every other means available to imperialism, poverty, warfare, and colonial subjectivization. For the west, hope resides in deliverance through glacial processes, from the confines of the existence permitted to us..from our homes, from the polling stations, from within approved zones of discontent set aside for that purpose. They haven't yet limited such public gestures of hate on cue to two minutes.
Sun, 2011-10-23 23:01
#21
@Sineed
Unfortunatelly in a group there are alway some extremist that goes too far!
How to qualifie the Anonymous Hacktivist phenomena?
We can't call it an organisation because they are totally deorganized, even if they plan extremely efficient in there attack.
They got no leader, no thinker. But at the same time they go access to a large panel of expert in different dicipline who might sympatize with the cause.
As the ability to
infiltrate an organisation since they got no "racial profile" or "ethnic profile" or even "social profile" filter them is almost impossible and more over any employee can turn as an active symphatisant even after year of service.
That "group" is like a live application of the chaos law.
No wonder they turned into the nightmare of the secret service.
see:
http://factoidz.com/who-is-anonymous-what-is-anonymous/
Sun, 2011-10-23 23:02
#22
I dont understand your posts.
Mon, 2011-10-24 21:50
#23
I am not sure all peacefull means have been exhausted, Slumberjack. But more importantly, is that they have to be demonstrated to the majority of people that they are exhausted. And for sure we are not there yet.
My favorite editorial cartoon from years ago pictured a white man in a small jail open on all sides, surrounded by black people. The white man exclaimed "See! I told you I put you all behind bars!" It was about Apartied.
We have to make them put us all "behind bars", and that's the cage they make for themselves every time they close an avenue of dissent.
You see it already, I see it and so do many others. But there's work left to do yet.
Thu, 2011-12-01 13:33
#24
Robin Hood Op: Anonymous, Poison Target the 1%
http://rt.com/news/robin-hood-hackers-anonymous-743/
"Two hacker groups, the hactivists Anonymous and Team Poison, which made headlines by cracking a UN server, have joined forces to steal from the banks and give to the charities. 'Operation Robin Hood will take credit cards and donate to the 99 percent as well as various charities around the globe,' the duo said in a YouTube statement..."
Sat, 2011-12-03 22:04
#25
I am not sure all peacefull means have been exhausted, Slumberjack. But more importantly, is that they have to be demonstrated to the majority of people that they are exhausted. And for sure we are not there yet.
It seems to me that they haven't, and not by a long shot just as you suggest. Today though, there no longer remains any assurance that acts of peaceful protest as we've come to know them will be left in peace. On the one hand they more resemble proving grounds where the interplay of various types of cruelty are set on display and in motion, from being forced to experience it firsthand, or from the effects of even witnessing its infliction upon people who could easily be considered comrades on certain levels. Secondly, and on the other side of the police line, the batons and tear gas protect and service far greater levels of everyday violence. It's difficult to ignore the peaceful demonstration these days as having become anything but. I think there is more than enough proof to question if they ever could have been considered peaceful under the circumstances, including on those occasions when no arrests were made and people afterwards all went home, and where the violence elsewhere remained as uninterrupted as before. I think you know there are two different discussions when we talk about the spread of peaceful means.
Sat, 2011-12-03 22:26
#26
There are good guy hackers for sure. Imo, all elementary and secondary schools should offer classes on hacking into government, corporate and military computers. Maybe even a little bankwire and CHIPS hacking on the side to encourage a bit of honesty among big time banksters and wealthy tax evaders. They could hire people like Julian Assange and his team of hackers to develop course material.
The glasnost is half full.
Sat, 2011-12-03 22:37
#27
Was it two weeks ago Anonymous was supposed to attack Facebook? Their attack consisted of putting nasty photos-- I saw one-- on people's pages.
Pretty weak, pretty lame.
Now, of course it could have been a false flag op, but really.
At the start I suspected they might be more bluster than action, and that added wieght to that thought.
Sun, 2011-12-04 15:38
#28
Now, of course it could have been a false flag op, but really.
By what I've read, Pentagon "cyberwarfare" capitalists are currently shaking down U.S. taxpayers for research and development (billion$ of dollar$/serious corporate welfare programs) of what are mostly offensive weapons designed to attack other nations communications infrastructure.
It could well be that various cyber attacks or even threats of attack have been staged. There have been shampoo bombers, panty bombers and other fake terror threats in recent years. A fake cyber threat would be a cheap sales tactic for Pentagon capitalists whose jobs they are to go caps in hand to Congress for corporate welfare handouts from the taxpayers. And they are rarely if ever refused those taxpayer handouts regardless of whether or not their technological brainchild has zero chance of ever being developed into something that works. And there are examples.
But I'm afraid USians have lost any and all right to privacy, and especially since 9/11 with the very despicable FISA amendments of 2008. US feds now have legal room to spy on the lives of millions of Americans with impunity. They got that end of the techno innovation right some time ago.
Sun, 2011-12-04 17:18
#29
Was it two weeks ago Anonymous was supposed to attack Facebook? Their attack consisted of putting nasty photos-- I saw one-- on people's pages.
Pretty weak, pretty lame.
Now, of course it could have been a false flag op, but really.
At the start I suspected they might be more bluster than action, and that added wieght to that thought.
I think the greater story might be their decision to back away from an attack on the drug cartels, planned for the same time.
Perhaps they are a little distracted by the mutilated bodies turning up hanging from bridges, and on boulevards.
Sun, 2011-12-04 17:37
#30
Yeah they don't wanto be interfering with the CIA's and Brits' action on international trafficking in dope. They'd be gutted and strung-up from the nearest mainsail alongside the jolly roger.
Mon, 2011-12-05 16:43
#31
having hackers on our side is for sure a good thing, considering the control large corporations have of the technologies we use. Someone needs to know how they work! Also, it's crucial to have people who know how to build and modify computers as we go into an age where they're going to be increasingly less open and the internet is going to be controlled by a select few multinational corps.
At the same time, i often find these groups to be lacking in real world knowledge, and easily swayed by wacky conspiracy theories and other assorted distractions. And the hollywood imagery is so cheesy it makes it hard to take them seriously.
Mon, 2011-12-05 18:51
#32
Define conspiracy if you will. Is it a conspiracy that the earth is warming due to human activity(read corporate control of resources and economic decision making)?
Is it a conspiracy that saving the financial system from a disaster of its own design takes priority over the real, labour productive economy?
Is it a conspiracy that millions of children around the democratic capitalist third world die agonizing deaths each and every year like clockwork?
Who is conspiring to make liquid global war a constant reality in this post-cold war era?
Tue, 2011-12-06 15:37
#33
actually i was referring to the tendency of hackers/computer geeks to get swept up in all manner of NWO order stuff, 911 theories, ufo's, illuminatti etc. which become a sideshow to some of the legit points some of them make
Tue, 2011-12-06 18:05
#34
I don't know of any conspiracy theorists attempting to steal the limelight from hacktivism. Hacktivists seem to be focused on political messaging, cyber occupations and the like. I'm not sure why anyone might confuse illuminiti theorism with today's hacktivists' demands for transparency and accountability in government. And most of the current hacktivism is concerned with a lack of transparency and democracy in general WRT governments and their close relationships with multinational corporations influencing governments.
And, if governments are so concerned about wild conspiracy theories run amok, then they have only themselves to blame. They haven't done much to counter public distrust in their ability to manage the environment or economy with more people realizing the two are intricately linked. A casual on the street survey would likely reveal that a significant number of people believe governments are not very transparent and not very accountable to the public. Many people don't trust government, and I think it's especially true today considering the generally deteriorating economic conditions and a general public sense that democracy is lacking something. Public trust in U.S. Government, for example, is at an all time low. Perhaps an American style Glasnost is in order in that country. And here in Canada, we are seeing record low voter turnouts that tend to undermine the legitimacy of our own governments. Even with a mathematically absurd electoral system that works in favour of the status quo in the English speaking countries, legitimacy of governments and their corporate sponsors is on the wane around the western world.
Sun, 2011-12-25 19:37
#35
Anonymous attacks security firm Stratfor, $1M stolen/donated
Whitehat security firm Stratfor underwent a massive hack by Anonymous hackers on eve of Christmas or should we tell ‘LulzXmas’ as the Anonymous would call it. STRATFOR provides intelligence to a range of commercial and government customers, and has been beefing up its coverage of cyber, and specifically of Anonymous. Official website of Stratfor stratfor.com went offline after the attack but those interested can view a mirror of the deface.
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Also the hackers leaked the private client list of Stratfor on Pastebin. If the classified info has been stolen then it would have a huge impact.
Mon, 2011-12-26 15:41
#36
Good catch wz . I see that Canada-Israel Committee and the Canadian Forces College are 2 of the Canadian clients...
Mon, 2011-12-26 19:05
#37
Anonymous attacks security firm Stratfor, $1M stolen/donated
Whitehat security firm Stratfor underwent a massive hack by Anonymous hackers on eve of Christmas or should we tell ‘LulzXmas’ as the Anonymous would call it. STRATFOR provides intelligence to a range of commercial and government customers, and has been beefing up its coverage of cyber, and specifically of Anonymous. Official website of Stratfor stratfor.com went offline after the attack but those interested can view a mirror of the deface.
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Also the hackers leaked the private client list of Stratfor on Pastebin. If the classified info has been stolen then it would have a huge impact.
WZ, you're right when you say that 'if the classified info has been stolen' it could have a huge impact. I actually got an email from a heavy weight piracy/terrorism consultant earlier today detailing the potential implications. All I can say is "not pretty".
Mon, 2011-12-26 20:32
#38
It could be a prelude to creation of another sector within the largely closed "defense" economy in the USSA: Cyberwarfare market estimated to be worth $15.9 billion in 2012
More socialism for private enterprise. Canada is demurely falling in line as usual. Same-old same old. They've been known to create new fears to focus massive social spending on rich people and their military causes every time.
Tue, 2011-12-27 16:48
#39
Why Stratfor was Really Hacked
Stratfor was not breached in order to obtain customer credit card numbers, which the hackers in question could not have expected to be as easily obtainable as they were. Rather, the operation was pursued in order to obtain the 2.7 million e-mails that exist on the firm's servers. This wealth of data includes correspondence with untold thousands of contacts who have spoken to Stratfor's employees off the record over more than a decade. Many of those contacts work for major corporations within the intelligence and military contracting sectors, government agencies, and other institutions for which Anonymous and associated parties have developed an interest since February of 2011, when another hack against the intelligence contractor/security firm HBGary revealed, among many other things, a widespread conspiracy by the Justice Department, Bank of America, and other parties to attack and discredit Wikileaks and other activist groups. Since that time, many of us in the movement have dedicated our lives to investigating this state-corporate alliance against the free information movement. For this and other reasons, operations have been conducted against Booz Allen Hamilton, Unveillance, NATO, and other relevant institutions. The bulk of what we've uncovered thus far may be reviewed at a wiki maintained by my group Project PM, echelon2.org.
Sun, 2012-02-05 16:10
#40
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