Debate switches to English.
NDP Leadership #91
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:46
#102
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:49
#103
I'd like to watch it in French but don't want to install M$ proprietary software on my computer. I can't imagine why CPAC is using that format. I've been watching the stream on CBC but they don't seem ot have an untranslated stream.
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:50
#104
You can use VLC and open this stream in it: http://www.cpac.ca/asx/cpac1flh.asx
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:50
#105
dacckon
have you tried radio canada?
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:51
#106
wage zombie: Or choose the "floor" on cpac.ca.
Thanks writer, this worked without have to install Silverlight.
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:51
#107
Topp asks Mulcair why he doesn't have a fiscal plan, why he wants to put everything on cap and trade revenues. Topp says putting that money into general revenue is not what the NDP says. It should go into green projects. Mulcair wants a FTT.
Whats a FTT?
The number of people going after Dewar, you have to think they want him out, and have reason to think if he is not viable after these debates, he has support they can pick up. Which would not likely just be notions, it would be what has been picked up in campaign canvassing.
If he is getting that much heat, its probably double or nothing for him. If he handles that kind of questioning reasonably well, I would think it solidifies his credibility that has been very questioned.
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:52
#108
Blah blah, we need to look after our troops and our veterans. Nash wants our troops to have "the most modern equipment possible". Huh? We need a defence white paper. Really? Hard to listen to this stuff. Sorry.
ETA: Not just Nash. Mulcair, others. Singh says a national pharmacare can help the troops. I think he's on drugs.
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:53
#109
dewar in french sounds like a bit of a fool.
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:54
#110
Financial Transaction Tax Ken S.
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:55
#111
Ashton just gave a great (and largely accurate) explanation as to why Quebecers voted for the NDP.
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:55
#112
Whats a FTT?
Financial transactions tax. (I guess.)
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:56
#113
Why did Quebec vote NDP? How can you get Quebec to vote NDP?
Peggy mentions the Sherbrooke Declaration, and cites support from its author Pierre Ducasse for her candidacy.
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:58
#114
Boom Boom
What the hell??? Topp and Cullen speaking in English???
ETA: oops, my mistake - there's a translator apparently doing oral English on CPAC.
ETA: It's confusing to me. Martin Singh is speaking French, and all I hear on CPAC is a women doing English translation; meanwhile, the closed captioning is in French. I'm very hard of hearing, so this is really difficult for me to follow.
Sun, 2012-02-12 14:59
#115
Mulcair points to policies adopted by the party in Quebec. Gives a series of specifics, including language, schooling, spending power, and asbestos.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:00
#116
Boom Boom
Singh says a national pharmacare can help the troops. I think he's on drugs.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:00
#117
Just like the Halifax debate, which had one round of questions in French, this debate would have one round of questions in English.
Singh handles himself very well en francais.
Nash seems to me to be holding back for some reason.
Mulcair looks the most relaxed, and looks to be having the most fun.
Topp appears very stiff.
Ashton is doing well, with good answers to whatever's put to her.
Dewar and Cullen are not impressing me at all.
Stay tuned!
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:02
#118
Nash to Topp: Is it a good idea to elect leader of opposition who never was elected? Topp: Is it a good idea to elect someone with only 3 years experience? And on and on. Why are they doing this?
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:03
#119
Candidates asking candidates questions. Nash asks Topp where he plans to run, or does he want to wait unitl 2015. Topp says every party member has the right to run. Nash wants to know how the party can operate without a leader of the opposition in the House.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:04
#120
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:04
#121
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:04
#122
I like a financial transaction tax. If Mulcair is planning to hold this up as a way of increasing revenue I think that's fair. I hope we will hear a lot more about this.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:04
#123
Dewar asks Peggy what she would do if Quebec imposes user fees for medicare. She replies health is a provincial responsibility.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:05
#124
Mulcair defends Kairos against Harper's defunding. Good to hear. The NDP has an unfortunate tendency to protest Harper's attacks, then forget about them and move on.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:08
#125
Is it me or are the questions much more aggressive in the French debate...? (As if the difficulties related to the language barrier [and I'm not only referring to Dewar/Cullen/etc. here] consumed all of the candidates' rhetorical resources, leaving no room for diplomacy...)
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:08
#126
Cullen says, "my proposal for working together with others before an election is popular in Québec, just as the coalition was - why are you against it?"
Mulcair uses the opportunity to say that Quebecers want absolutely nothing to do with the Liberal Party, the party of the sponsorship scandal, etc.
Weak answer, but tactical move on his part to distance himself from the "Liberal" label, even if it's federal rather than provincial.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:10
#127
Nathan asks Tom about why he opposes co-operation on a riding basis prior to the next election. Mulcair says in his riding people voted against the party of the sponsorship scandal, and the party that did not respect Kyoto.
Tom wants Peggy to support a seat for Quebec at UNESCO, she agrees.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:10
#128
Boom Boom
Mulcair looks like he's having a great day, as do Ashton and Cullen. Dewar looks like a dork. Mulcair and Cullen are the most animated, while Singh and Nash seem to me to be quite subdued. From what I can follow, I think this debate belongs to Mulcair, Ashton, and Cullen.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:11
#129
Maritn points out that the Cullen plan ignores that the Liberal Party is not progressive.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:11
#130
Singh: "[...] un programme national de gestion d'enfants [...]"
Is he going to talk about how he's gonna manage children in a fiscally conservative manner...?
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:12
#131
Cullen eloquently defends his pre-election cooperation plan against Singh's dumb attack. But Cullen falls flat, because he talks about Liberal voters and Green voters, and can't pronounce the words Bloc voters. Very sad.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:13
#132
Definitely a different dynamic in French. I'm not sure whether they're being more aggressive, or whether they're more easily rattled because of the pressure of thinking fast in a second language.
My god, Dewar's French is painful. Poor guy.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:13
#133
Topp wants Dewar to say how he would promote French language culture on emerging media. Dewar answers briefly. Topp insists, how do we get more French language on the internet. Dewar says the NDP are unlike the Cons, and would change things after the next election.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:14
#134
Hahaha, Topp is trying to trap Dewar by asking him what he thought of the recent situation with TOU.TV. Very childish IMHO.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:14
#135
Boom Boom
I can't get a handle on Topp - how do others feel he is doing?
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:16
#136
Topp sounds snarky, kind of arrogant, trying to expose weaknesses in others. Leaders don't need to do that. Mulcair tried the same with Nash, asking her whether she favoured Québec seat at UNESCO. Why do they do these things??
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:17
#137
Thanks writer for your comments. Point well taken.
Thanks, NorthReport, that's very helpful.
A note of caution in this discussion. "Tribalism" is an incredibly fraught / problematic term. So too is referring to groups of people as "our" anything. I'm still recovering from my operation, so don't have the capacity to expand on this too much (my brain is sleepy and drugged), but I believe there are resources in easy reach for those who might not know what the issues are, and might want to learn more.
If the message is about the need to be respectful and inclusive, the language used to present that position is very important.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:18
#138
Closing statements, 90 seconds each. Singh goes first, gives stump speech in summary. LIght on foreign affairs, jobs and the economy. Mulcair, May 2, first vote for a federalist party in a generation, foreign policy should unite Canadians. Seven candidates elected in the Quebec City region.
Topp gives stump speech, lowest poverty rate, continue Laytons legacy, win the next election.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:20
#139
double post
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:20
#140
Maritn points out that the Cullen plan ignores that the Liberal Party is not progressive.
Yeah, but Cullen replied that we all know what the Liberal Party is - but his plan isn't looking for the approval of the party leadership - it's the local voters, local militants. Singh then simply repeated that the Liberal Party is bad.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:23
#141
Nash says - yes to Kyoto, no to torture. Peace.
Have you noticed that in a debate which supposedly focuses on world affairs, no one has had the nerve to talk about Libya, or Syria, or Iran, or Israel, or Palestine?
Boring, irrelevant, disconnected from our reality. Very very discouraging for the future of Canada.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:24
#142
Topp sounds snarky, kind of arrogant, trying to expose weaknesses in others. Leaders don't need to do that. Mulcair tried the same with Nash, asking her whether she favoured Québec seat at UNESCO. Why do they do these things??
They think they are supposed to.
I don't see Niki Aston acting this way...maybe she would if she were more of a contender, I don't know.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:24
#143
Boom Boom
Topp sounds snarky, kind of arrogant, trying to expose weaknesses in others. Leaders don't need to do that. Mulcair tried the same with Nash, asking her whether she favoured Québec seat at UNESCO. Why do they do these things??
Thanks. I found Topp's body language difficult to interpret. Dewar comes across (to me) as not comfortable in his own skin. I guess it's a toss up between Mulcair and Ashton as to which did the best in this encounter. My bottom two are Singh and Dewar, with Topp, Cullen, and Nash in the middle somewhere.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:25
#144
Ashton manages to link foreign policy and national priorities.
Nash wants to see Foreign Policy inspire Canadians to participate in politics, link progressives in Quebec with progressive outside Quebec.
Dewar reads his remarks. Quite effective.
Cullen talks about drinking caribou with friends, and not being sold on his feet today. Does his stump speech, the bearer of new ideas, the Cons represent a real threat, needs a new approach.
Applause all around.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:27
#145
very interesting dynamics:
mulcair lobs a softball to ashton, she replies in kind. then cullen tees one up for mulcair and they have a friendly exchange to mutual benefit. and mulcair slides a gentle knife into nash. topp has been skillfully highlighting dewar's awful french, and then asking him questions that force dewar to drown himself in his french (which makes him sound/look utterly foolish and unqualified). dewar and nash both highlight topp's lack of electoral experience; topp replied that nash had only three years in parliament, so it's not like she's in much of a position to speak.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:27
#146
dacckon
This was boring, should have been the 1st english debate not the 1st french one.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:28
#147
Have you noticed that in a debate which supposedly focuses on world affairs, no one has had the nerve to talk about Libya, or Syria, or Iran, or Israel, or Palestine?
Boring, irrelevant, disconnected from our reality. Very very discouraging for the future of Canada.
Yes that is very disappointing.
Are any of the candidates willing to say the NDP was wrong about Libya?
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:30
#148
The participants seem relieved it is over. Mulcair show his strength, Dewar lives to fight another day, Topp was put on the spot about not having a seat when the party is looking to fill the role of leader of the official oppostion. Ashton and Cullen show the new face of Canada. They are Francophiles, not Francophones, speaking French, strengthening French as an official language in Canada nonetheless.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:31
#149
Nash says - yes to Kyoto, no to torture. Peace.
Have you noticed that in a debate which supposedly focuses on world affairs, no one has had the nerve to talk about Libya, or Syria, or Iran, or Israel, or Palestine?
Boring, irrelevant, disconnected from our reality. Very very discouraging for the future of Canada.
News flash- you and the American's foreign policy priorities are not the foreign policy priorities of everyone else. Some of us are concerned about development and poverty.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:35
#150
Boom Boom
It was very confusing for me, as I'm very hard of hearing and am not very fluent in French. First, they were speaking in French - then CPAC had oral English translation - meanwhile the closed captioning was all in French. So I just listened to the oral translation with the captioning off. It was painful - the translation continued for a few seconds after each speaker finished.
I think CPAC should have used English sub-titles instead of oral translation - otherwise deaf and hard of hearing folks who don't speak French were deprived of any understanding of the debate.
Sun, 2012-02-12 15:40
#151
Earlier in the campaign, when Dewar's tenure as foreigh affairs critic would come up, some babblers would ask why Paul Dewar was taking the heat for that since Dewar was just following policies from caucus.
I am now much more friendly to that idea. None of the candidates have given me any indication that their take on foreign policy is any different than Dewar's.
In a debate on foreign policy, in Dewar's weak language, no one asked him anything about this at all.
One of Paul Dewar's negatives, relative to the other candidates, just disappeared for me.
Not that it matters, because I don't think he meets the minimum language qualifications for the job.