Copying, Pirating, etc

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Sun, 2012-03-04 15:12

Snowd

Did the issue about SOPA and online pirating, and copyright, get left out at Rabble? I did a search [I don't want to be guilty of thread proliferation!].

Anyway, the Church of Copymism is making a whole lotta sense to me - it has nothing to do with god or gods at all, but rather it is about how copying and the free flow of information is at the essence of being human.

Our DNA is a copy!

"information is holy, copying is sacrament" {the church mottos]

Link> http://kopimistsamfundet.ca/

{the ENTER SITE button is hard to see - its at the bottom center}

So, for the first time since I joined the United Church at age 12 [and then became an atheist by age 15!!], I joined these whackos. "Whackos R Us" lol, but it makes sense - the human race has thrived on sharing information, why block it?

Copyright is wrong:
- to restrict knowledge and information is evil, only those elites who want to carve out a separate place for themselves to the exclusion of others would want to restrict information and culture and learn-ed texts

And let me say that as a songwriter, I do not benefit from copyright laws. They only seem to help the music industry's Mega-Stars and they keep the vast creative energy from being given a chance to be heard.

As a listener, don't you want more choice in music? nothing new in 20 years except techno and rap, which are both highly dependent on equipment and technology.

So please have a look at the copymism site and I will be back with more thoughts on it later.

"Copy and Seed"

Sun, 2012-03-04 20:17

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

I didn't know that people used computers to raid and sink ships.

Or that copying music or video could result in a ship being sunk.

Piracy is bad.

But I don't think that non commercial sharing of music is bad.

Mon, 2012-03-05 01:15

Snowd

I agree. This has nothing to do with pirates like Somali bad guys boarding boats..

I should have writ "online piracy". I was not referring to shipping, as in ocean based, piracy. Sorry for the confusion

Mon, 2012-03-05 01:20

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

No confusion. I think that we should refuse to accept corporate language like calling non-profit sharing "piracy" and accepting false terms like "intellectual property".

Sharing isn't a bad thing. It's a normal human activity. It's the mega corporations who are trying to label normal human activity as being something that is bad.

Mon, 2012-03-05 03:43

Fidel

I pirated Pirates of the Caribbean IV: On Stranger Tides. My nephews appreciated it. It prolly saved me $60 bucks or more at the show. Printed a colourful label and stuck it on the DVD just like new. Put it in a box with choco coins, microwave popcorn, the jolly roger and plastic swords from the dollar store. Made a treasure map and hid the loot in the crawl space under the living room. They loved it.

We pillage, we plunder, we rifle and loot
Drink up me hearties, yo ho
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot
Drink up me hearties, yo ho

Mon, 2012-03-05 19:23

milo204

truth is i don't feel bad downloading stuff that's out of print, impossible to find, etc. but when it comes to current stuff i honestly don't think we can "justify" it, although we all do it. let's be honest, i download because i have an insatiable appetite for music, but i'm not rich and i can't afford to buy everything i want to listen to...i try and support the bands in any way by seeing them live, telling my friends etc.

at the same time, musicians are doing work and they deserve to be paid like everyone else.

Mon, 2012-03-05 21:56

Fidel

We are only doing what is natural and spontaneous due to harsh market forces and the monopoly pricing of movies and music. What is unnatural is the heavy hand of the state intervening to enforce private property laws on behalf of a relative handful few.

Very many people can not afford to see artists live in concert or to take the family to a movie theater. And governments should be subsidizing artists. No one should have to live in poverty regardless of their talents or lack of.

And besides we're staying home and watching movies and listening to music not burning-up fossil fuels driving miles to the cinema and polluting the environment in the process. I think there are very many job occupations where the environmental situation could be improved if those workers were actually paid to stay home and-or paid to train for alternative, environmentally friendly occupations.

Mon, 2012-03-05 21:58

Unionist

radiorahim wrote:

I didn't know that people used computers to raid and sink ships.

Or that copying music or video could result in a ship being sunk.

Piracy is bad.

But I don't think that non commercial sharing of music is bad.

Ok, I think I get that distinction. But what if bandits board a vessel and (say) force the crew to read copyright ebooks "shared" without authorization, or else walk the plank? Would that be a grey area?

Mon, 2012-03-05 22:28

Fidel

Personally I think copyright and private property laws should be scrapped for all time and replaced with love. As Will Ferrell's movie character Jackie Moon said in Semi-Pro: EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY! Okay?

It's a natural, universal law. Every little thing, and no matter how venomous or politically conservative, just wants to be loved. They're just afraid to admit it. Love has been absent in their lives and feel the need to take and hoard what they think is love through private property laws for which enforcement is only possible by the power of the state working for the benefit of a relative handful few. And what they really need is freely available to them all the while.

Make a rectangle with your thumbs and forefingers and look through it. Imagine that no matter where you travel in the world, everything inside your framed view to the world is freely accessible to everyone.

Love is all we need. Everyone knows it's true.

Mon, 2012-03-05 23:45

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radiorahim radiorahim's picture

Unionist wrote:

radiorahim wrote:

I didn't know that people used computers to raid and sink ships.

Or that copying music or video could result in a ship being sunk.

Piracy is bad.

But I don't think that non commercial sharing of music is bad.

Ok, I think I get that distinction. But what if bandits board a vessel and (say) force the crew to read copyright ebooks "shared" without authorization, or else walk the plank? Would that be a grey area?

It might be. Especially if they were being forced to read really bad poetry

Tue, 2012-03-06 02:53

#11

Fidel

Steve of the Pirated Elections Party(Cap'n Crook from here on after)