NDP leadership thread #118

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Rakhmetov wrote:

Mulcair has garnered a lot striking endorsements and if this had been a traditional delegated convention I'm convinced he would have won.  But this is OMOV and unfortunately for him these endorsements seem to carry little weight with a majority of members.  Most members are not very familiar with someone like Saganash even as impressive as he's been in the race, or say a Paul Moist for Nash.  As for the polls, I challenge anyone to name me a poll in the 4 month BC NDP leadership race which showed Farnworth with less than than a 10 point lead over Dix, or one which didn't show a potential Dix leadership being a disaster against Clark.  The fundraising numbers are also quite intriguing and provide more evidence of why Mulcair's support is likely quite exaggerated.  He's fourth place in Ontario and tied for 3rd in BC when 60% of the the members are from those two provinces.  No, Mulcair is obviously going to be the runner-up or the winner, and I think that at the end of the day the members and the party will pick an anti-Mulcair.

The fundraising numbers are total dollars and not how many donors. Still, the numbers for Cullen in BC are astounding and he has overall momentum in both dollars and donors (as does Mulcair). I believe the polls during the BC NDP Leadership race were of NDP voters, not members, so their accuracy can be questioned (as can the polls in this Leadership election). There will be probably be more reports of donations and donors to the candidates and possibly more polls of members before this is over. Whether Mulcair wins or not will depend on who is on the final ballot with him (there could be more than two candidates on it).

Rakhmetov

I was talking about dollars, not donors.  Even if you don't believe he's moving the party to right, Mulcair is obviously the Canadian establishment's choice.  Conservatives and reactionaries are constantly sympathizing with him and his so-called "pragmatism".  Note how without any real evidence at all he's managed to convince many New Democrats that he's the only one who can take on Harper in 2015.  This is largely because the corporate press has been repeating this dubious argument ad nauseum.  Given that he's the relatively right-leaning establishment candidate, and the alleged shoe-in frontrunner, this means he should be doing a lot better in fundraising in the two most important provinces, even if that fundraising didn't match his actual support on the ground.

The Cullen numbers are incredible.  Regardless if you support his joint nomination proposal (I'm skeptical that the Liberals would be very motivated to lock in NDP incumbents across the country and help the NDP form government and finally supplant them) he's managed to use it as an issue to generate controversy and attention, boost his profile, and bring in thousands of new members and supporters to the party.  I think those numbers reflect why he should be commended for successfully bringing in new and important constituencies of electoral reform minded progressives into the party.  Likewise with Singh.  The Topp campaign must be devastated by these numbers as they confirm Singh's major inroads into the Indo-Canadian community, especially in Surrey.  Unfortunately Singh has cut a secret deal with Mulcair and is trying to throw his supporters to him for second-choices (partly by rabidly denouncing Topp's tax plan and driving up his negatives without any backlash to Mulcair, he was even repeating his talking points in the last French debate!).  But neverthelss it's great how his campaign has reached out and brought the Indo-Canadian and Sikh community more into the NDP.  A lot of the moderates connected to the current BCNDP machine are with Topp, but Singh has succeeded in drawing in more Sikhs from the fundamentalist wing of the temple as they love Singh and his personal story.  Given Surrey's importance in BC politics, beyond just the seats in Surrey and Langley, this is great for the party in 2015.

DaveW

Lord Palmerston wrote:

I'm pretty sure Mulcair is going to get it. 

yes, as broadly predicted 6 months ago, and after a long long long leadership campaign that the general public largely tuned out ...

soon the Holiday for Rae has to come to an end Yell

 

 

DaveW

Winston wrote:

I can understand where Boom Boom was coming from.  If someone had told me on May 1 that the MP-elect on May 3 for Manicouagan would be an NDPer, polls or not, I'd have laughed.  I figured that we'd sweep most of the Montréal and Outaouais areas, pick up a few in the Ville de Québec, Roméo Saganash in Baie James-Nunavik-Eeyou, and maybe, just maybe Claude Patry in the Saguenay.  I thought that bluet Québec was going to stay with the BQ, and most other people did too.  No one thought they'd be reduced all the way down to 4 seats.

But there it is - what better argument could there possibly be AGAINST strategic voting!

janfromthebruce wrote:

 

no matter what the late polls said, if you had followed the NDP in Quebec for decades, as I had, the prospect of far-flung gains in ridings with zero NDP history/tradition/organization was a bit much to swallow;

I thought: OK, gains in western Quebec, western and central Montreal, a few non-traditional pickups and 20 seats tops ....

now the issue is repeating in ridings with zero NDP history/tradition/organization; not easy, hence my support fopr Quebec pioneer and veteran pol Mulcair

 

DaveW

Madam Speaker, a point of privilege: was this leadership thread ever officially closed, and what about those unfortunates whose final comments go unread??

[Many members: hear hear!!]

KenS

 

Boom Boom wrote:

ps: what the hell is this under my nick: \,,/ rabble-rouser-l33t \,,/

Unionist wrote:

You've been inducted into my elite club.

I think it means you've reached your 100 millionth post.

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OK. Here's a post.

 

KenS

Here's another one.

And I have a good start.

KenS

Am I getting there?

KenS

I always noticed that Fidel has one of those marks too.

I thought maybe it was some tach savvy gizmo.

KenS

You know, you dont have to watch this foolisheness.

There is already a thred # 119.

KenS

not there yet....

Caissa

There is also a last and definitive thread.

Unionist

Caissa wrote:

There is also a last and definitive thread.

You can say that again.

Unionist

But not for long.

Unionist

I'm hoping they take away my funny markings and "leet" status at 101,000,000 posts. Cheer me on!

 

Unionist

By the way, for any non-tuned-in non-tech-savvy older folks on this board, here's what [url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=leet]l33t[/url] means.

 

KenS

Well that settles something I always wondered about.

I was right. I wasn't missing anything.

algomafalcon

Rakhmetov wrote:

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The Cullen numbers are incredible.  Regardless if you support his joint nomination proposal (I'm skeptical that the Liberals would be very motivated to lock in NDP incumbents across the country and help the NDP form government and finally supplant them) he's managed to use it as an issue to generate controversy and attention, boost his profile, and bring in thousands of new members and supporters to the party.  I think those numbers reflect why he should be commended for successfully bringing in new and important constituencies of electoral reform minded progressives into the party.  Likewise with Singh.  The Topp campaign must be devastated by these numbers as they confirm Singh's major inroads into the Indo-Canadian community, especially in Surrey.  Unfortunately Singh has cut a secret deal with Mulcair and is trying to throw his supporters to him for second-choices (partly by rabidly denouncing Topp's tax plan and driving up his negatives without any backlash to Mulcair, he was even repeating his talking points in the last French debate!).  But neverthelss it's great how his campaign has reached out and brought the Indo-Canadian and Sikh community more into the NDP.  A lot of the moderates connected to the current BCNDP machine are with Topp, but Singh has succeeded in drawing in more Sikhs from the fundamentalist wing of the temple as they love Singh and his personal story.  Given Surrey's importance in BC politics, beyond just the seats in Surrey and Langley, this is great for the party in 2015.

You make it sound like Singh is the NDP's Rick Santorum (beholden to religious fundamentalists) and that this is somehow a "good thing" for the NDP. I'm not so sure we know if those massive signups from the Sikhs in the last leadership campaign were all individuals freely joining of their own accord rather than names submitted and paid for by organized groups and or temple factions. 

I'm sure you recall that there were a lot of questions asked about the bulk memberships with bags of cash submitted separately from the forms. I don't have the insider knowledge to know if those were ever properly authenticated. 

KenS

This is all entirely speculative about who in particular Martin is signing up among Sikhs, and 'what type of Sikh most likes him'.

Then some dotted lines to what has happened in the past.

I'll throw in something I am confident of: Martin Singh is signing people up and collecting money for the leadership race. He also has an eye to building a long term political base.

In the first place, I dont think those kind of mass sign-ups in the BCNDP are feasible anymore. And Martin Singh wouldnt be interested anyway. You do not get the number of donors Martin has by engaging in quickie mass sign-ups.

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Unionist wrote:

By the way, for any non-tuned-in non-tech-savvy older folks on this board, here's what [url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=leet]l33t[/url] means.

 

I've joined the babble elite!!! Cheers, all! Laughing

(wish we had some balloon/champagne/party emoticons)

Unionist

MegB

Funny!

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