Would Mulcair move the NDP to the right?

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Sean in Ottawa

Getting out of NAFTA is not either politically possible or a good idea. That does not mean that the deal was a good one-- in fact that is precisely why it was so bad. These trade deals are one-way streets and people need to understand why. They upset the way trade is done effectively helping those industries who might benefit and virtually killing off those who would not. To try to back out of a deal once in you don't bring back the jobs that have been killed off and instead kill off new ones.

This is why you need to try to alter the deals or bring emphasis elsewhere but given the distortion they create just ending them would create both short and long term damage while not helping anything other than the ghosts of what is already lost. Layton understood this and so have many others including the harshest critics: Marjorie Bowker whose book I published in 1988 and Maude Barlow who raises this warning every time a trade deal is proposed. A series of trade deals replaces normal trade with a series of dependencies after killing off much of what you had before.

As for boosters of Mulcair making strong assertions about what they know will happen. Honestly, I have not heard this. I think some people have decided their candidate is "the one." Many have found the choice much more difficult. I hoped Saganash was "the one" for me but he pulled out and I had to re-look at the field. My choice of Mulcair is based on my belief that he has the best chance at bringing the greatest benefit to the party and to Canada. This is not to say he does not have faults or I don't have concerns. However, I have seen him work on his style with people so he seems to know how to moderate and change which is a benefit. I worry about his personality, I don't like his mid-east policies and his personal views on many topics I care about are not as clear as I might like. However, the other also have not been crystal on the issues I care about and i have had to consider that a number of them simply were not going to be in a position for me to even find out (they would never have enough power to show their stuff anyway). I do like the idea that he at least talks about adapting, listening to people and changing our approach. I don't hear him say we will change our policies but changing the way we express them in my view is a good thing. I do consider him to be a team player and have no reason to believe the hype that he may not be. I think it is fairer to say that the bulk of Mulcair's supporters on this site are either Saganash supporters looking for the next best or people who have calculated who they thought would be able to put the party in a position to bring about any policies.

Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that we all agreed he was the most likely to lead the NDP to enough seats to form some kind of government, then even if he would support half the policies we would like-- those half would go some place while the other candidates may or may not do more and so would bring about nothing.

That said when you express things differently and bring more support to a series of ideas you might do a lot more. I am not convinced that he would shift the party to the right in terms of concrete policies. I do think he might drop some of the rhetoric that does not do anything for us except reduce our electoral strength. I don't think he is a Blairite but I also don't think he will repeat the mistakes that have marginalized us in the past. Rather, he may well express things that we hold dear in very new ways while drawing on the support that exists expressed differently on the ground for things we want to do. In the end he may not be seen as the great visionary but he might be the vehicle that gathers and brings what is out there up. I also believe that he is committed to the environment and will do this in a way that could give our future hope. While we talk about many aspects of this candidate seldom do we recognize not only his environmental credentials but also his success in making them happen often in the context where he had to being a reluctant Liberal team to the table. We talk about his issues with Charest but seldom do we take a moment to remember that he received the praise and endorsement of Greenpeace because of the work he was doing.

So yes, he is a candidate with risks and I don't think people are drinking koolaid or seeing through rose-coloured glasses.

While I don't think the other candidates are the best choice, several have impressed me and there is hope for what kind of government the NDP could offer. And I don't think any of them will split the party.

 

Aristotleded24

I've said earlier that a Mulcair victory might actually benefit the left flank of the NDP. Since it's out in the open that Mulcair is not on the party's left flank, that allows for organization, movement building, etc., and as duncan said above, it's ultimately the political movements that will push the parties to where they want to go.

Besides, remember how the left thought they'd "won" when Jack on the leadership and they became less active, only to see the NDP campaign in 2005/6 shift notably to the right of where it had been before? It's not about the particluar leader, it's about the movements putting pressure.

Aristotleded24

About NAFTA, remember that there is an election in Mexico this year, and depending on how that goes, Mexico could very well bail on the deal. NAFTA is also not any more popular in the US than it is here, and the issue will probably come to the forefront in the next few years.

I'm not defending Mulcair's position, I think the only correct position is "tear up NAFTA now," but developments on the issue in the next few years will force his hand and he won't have much control over this. In other words, Canada certainly won't lead on dismantling NAFTA, but will be pulled along as the deal starts to show more signs of fracture.

Jacob Two-Two

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Jacob Two-Two

Rabble_Incognito wrote:

So I sincerely hope Mulcair doesn't use centrism, appeals to the business elite, or appeals to the right, in order to buttress himself from the right wing attacks you suggest will happen. If you're confident he won't do so that's good to know and I'll think about that before the convention.

I do think that won't happen (or I should say it won't happen any more than it would with any candidate) and the reason isn't my trust in Mulcair, but rather my assessment of the political field that we're playing in.

Mulcair likes to talk about bringing the centre to us, which I find funny because this is happening anyway. When it becomes more obvious he'll probably be taking credit for the whole thing. The public political outlook in Canada is drifting leftward (and will continue to for a while as the evidence mounts of the failure of right-wing ideas worldwide). And more importantly, the current political centre of the people is quite a bit to the left of the political centre of the political class. Basically Canada is ripe for the plucking by the NDP. Our values already have the popularity they need to win government. What we've been lacking is the responsible reputation that allows swing voters to feel okay about electing us. Mulcair understands this, talked about it frequently in the campaign, and will be focusing on building our competence rating with the public while in opposition. This is a winning strategy and no turn to the right is needed to enact it.

I understand why people feel nervous about Mulcair, and their fears are not entirely unjustified. He's not an ideologue. If a rightward turn were required to win government then he'd probably make it (as I've said before, however, he couldn't do this alone). I get the feeling that he's more about creating opportunities and making things happen than he is about a certain set of policies. So it's not about trusting Mulcair's politics and more about trusting his political instincts to see that a move to the right is unnecessary, even harmful, to his aspirations. 

 

KenS

 

Jacob Two-Two wrote:

I'm not saying Mulcair is positioning himself to pick up right-wing votes. I'm saying he's positioning himself to resist right-wing attacks.

He's doing a good job if preventing attacks was all about being cautious in your positioning, and saying as little as possible what it is or will be in the future.

Unfortunately, his habit of making up de facto policy as he goes, heedlessly leaves nuggets behind for the Conservatives to mine.

Even if he want inclined to be careless in that way, cautious and keeping your cards close is not necessarily the best way to prevent attacks. Its certainly not what Harper does- not even when he was in Opposition being attacked on a regular basis.

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Aristotleded24 wrote:

I've said earlier that a Mulcair victory might actually benefit the left flank of the NDP. Since it's out in the open that Mulcair is not on the party's left flank, that allows for organization, movement building, etc., and as duncan said above, it's ultimately the political movements that will push the parties to where they want to go.

Besides, remember how the left thought they'd "won" when Jack on the leadership and they became less active, only to see the NDP campaign in 2005/6 shift notably to the right of where it had been before? It's not about the particluar leader, it's about the movements putting pressure.

This is a really interesting comment. It's interesting because it's patently true, but you don't hear it much in the conventional right-vs-left narrative that swamps every race.

Jacob Two-Two

See, this is my logic as well. Get an NDP government elected, simply because it is vulnerable to pressure from its minority activist base. Then don't just trust them to make great things happen and cheerlead their mushy moderation. Build aggressive social movements to lobby them relentlessly for progressive change.

The fact that it might be easier to make this happen with a rightish leader who the activist base feels wary of, has crossed my mind.

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