Nice.
The irony is that Mulcair is the clear choice of the Canadian Establishment, as expressed through official organs such as the Montreal Gazette, the Globe, and the Toronton Star. Mulcair is their man because he evidently shares their disdain for the NDP and everything it stands for.
The bolded line appears to me to be 100% accurate.
Rabble has jumped the shark. I can't believe half a thread was taken up by something midly offensive to a small subsection of the general population, possibly uttered, in another language almost two-decades ago in a hockey game.
"Don't be a sissy" is something my mom would say to me when I was being a whiny child. I'll be sure to tell her what a horrible person she is/was next time I see her.
+1
I try to be thankful for something every day. Today I am thankful no one was writing about me some 17 years after the fact, in a completely unverifiable way, something I might have said in passing during a hockey game, and then using it as some kind of evidence that I am secretly evil. Seriously? Of all the ridiculous things I've read from people during this leadership race that has to take the prize for most idiotic. Some guy says some other guy knocked him on his ass and called him someting almost two decades ago and that is supposed to tell me something about what kind of PM he might make. What next someone is going to claim Nathan Cullen is anti-woman because he was overheard ordering a Butter Tart in 1997?
This will be my last contribution to the drift.
Clearly, I was mistaken with what I thought was a general understanding on what sissy means. So perhaps I shouldn't have pressed it as hard as I did. However, sometimes when I'm drunk or high and full of life I like to imagine babble as a place where the typical hierarchical and macho posturing doesn't or needn't exist, and so even if we don't know the misogynist etymological root of "sissy," we can at least agree that it's not the kind of dynamic we would want to defend in this space. Words like "wimp" and "crybaby" and "loser" which connote a very specific meaning after you've just checked an opposing hockey player to the ice. I wouldn't want to defend that dynamic in any situation, and in a perfect world, it wouldn't be defended on babble either.
I am entirely in agreement with this.
I credit Catchfire with pointing this out as offensive language. It is not just about calling out some candidate or supporters of a candidate but addressing the words we use as words do hurt people.
I would not want my earlier objection to lessen the point being made here.
dictionary:
sissy
1846, "sister," extended form of sis (q.v.). Meaning "effeminate man" is recorded from 1887; the adj. in this sense is from 1891. Sissy bar is recorded from 1969.
adjective
noun
1. an effeminate boy or man.2. a timid or cowardly person.
3. a little girl.
Origin:
1840–50, Americanism in sense “sister”; 1885–90, Americanism for def. 1; sis + y 2...establishing that "sissy" can be an oppressive, mysoginist, horrifically offensive insult, or it can mean "wimp".
yup, on urban dictionary
dictionary:
sissy
1846, "sister," extended form of sis (q.v.). Meaning "effeminate man" is recorded from 1887; the adj. in this sense is from 1891. Sissy bar is recorded from 1969.
adjective
noun
1. an effeminate boy or man.2. a timid or cowardly person.
3. a little girl.
Origin:
1840–50, Americanism in sense “sister”; 1885–90, Americanism for def. 1; sis + y 2...establishing that "sissy" can be an oppressive, mysoginist, horrifically offensive insult, or it can mean "wimp".
yup, on urban dictionary
I was thinking "2. a timid or cowardly person", but the UD definitions are, shall we say "more nuanced" for sure.
If Mulcair is such a jerk why would we have to go so far back to get something he said through translation (accurate or not) to attack him with?
This isn't something I pulled out as an attack on Mulcair. This is a quote that was in a Maclean's article which I actually found only because another Babbler—perhaps ironically, a fervent supporter of Thomas Mulcair—posted a link to it in a previous discussion thread, and which I found a bit disturbing—disturbing enough to raise here.
You know well that I've given plenty of other reasons why I don't support Mulcair.
Hoodeet (JW)oh, and as for "sissy" (which mulcair would have said in french), in quebec, that could be anything from "tapette" (which is the homophobic term) to cocotte (female diminuative of the cock) to poule mouillée (a no-effort or a coward) to chou or cheri (intimate diminuatives used for children or loved ones that, when used on the pitch, are meant to infantilize the opponent). there are all sorts of things he could have said, and in the context of a hockey game, the only bad one "tapette" would probably never have come up. among adults, i've only heard that when people are close to fist-fights outside of bars and that.
ETA: yeah, this is such a stupid conversation. people are just desperate to prove that mulcair isn't "one of us". might have to force myself to take a few days off here.
Check your dictionary. I thought "cocotte" was a slut or a call girl or whatever slant is desired to the word... Nothing to do with male organs at all.
This will be my last contribution to the drift.
Clearly, I was mistaken with what I thought was a general understanding on what sissy means. So perhaps I shouldn't have pressed it as hard as I did. However, sometimes when I'm drunk or high and full of life I like to imagine babble as a place where the typical hierarchical and macho posturing doesn't or needn't exist, and so even if we don't know the misogynist etymological root of "sissy," we can at least agree that it's not the kind of dynamic we would want to defend in this space. Words like "wimp" and "crybaby" and "loser" which connote a very specific meaning after you've just checked an opposing hockey player to the ice. I wouldn't want to defend that dynamic in any situation, and in a perfect world, it wouldn't be defended on babble either.
I am entirely in agreement with this.
I credit Catchfire with pointing this out as offensive language. It is not just about calling out some candidate or supporters of a candidate but addressing the words we use as words do hurt people.
I would not want my earlier objection to lessen the point being made here.
Laudable comments. My thanks to both of you.
You folks know Mulcair got sued for calling Duhaime a PQist slut and lost out on 95,000$ for it? Sissy, while problematic, I could almost give him a pass if he didn't realize the origins...but slut is pretty clear to everyone I think.
Closing for length.
