I recall that with the ONDP leadership election a few years ago the vast majority of ballots had actually been cast prior to the convention (online or by mail) meaning the actual speeches and convention day manouvering was probably inconsequential.
Does anyone know how many ballots have already been cast in the advance vote?
man, that viet mp is a total babe, laurin liu has some nervousness issues.
man, that viet mp is a total babe
WTF?
Um, ffk, we don't comment on the hotness of racialized women on babble. Please respect this as a feminist space (in theory).
Does anyone know how many ballots have already been cast in the advance vote?
I think I heard 55,000 out of 132,000.
I thought the Mulcair 20 minutes were just weird, very American-like, but, regardless, I think Tom will win this.
I try to assume good faith about complements like that.
But yes, we don't typically focus on our politicians' sex appeal. So let's not make female MPs feel like we value their intellect any less than their male counterparts.
There is no good faith, sdm, to be clear. It is sexist and othering. Just don't do it.
I've been really happy with the tone of cooperation at the convention. With the bickering that occasionally erupts on babble, I was slightly worried that there would be a lot of shouting the other candidates down, or making a big scene in the middle of someone's speech. The delegates have been very respectful, letting each candidate have their moment. That bodes well for the future of the party, and our unity going forward.
Alexa introducing Peggy....
Sorry to interrupt the beauty contest.
Derrick, thanks for the reply in the previous thread. I'd still like to hear a bit more about my substantive criticisms. In brief:
1. What makes you think Topp will act significantly differently from Mulcair? I guess my concern is this: what do you see in his past deeds (by contrast with his campaign platform) that gives you any such confidence? Other than the fact that he never launched a brutal attack on Libby.
2. Do you believe that whither the Leader goeth, the party must needs go as well? Is that what history shows? I mean, in Canada.
you can really see the faultlines running here. mulcair's roll-out was very much the front-runner's, nash though clearly represents a completely different wing of the party from topp, and the energy she has here compared with what we saw with topp really offers an amazing contrast. alexa and pierre are really impressive, nash has poise. big big contrast with topp, and mulcair, actually.
very natural body language, still sort of boring, content isn't that exciting, but neither was mulcair. if people have been doing their research, she should end up on the final ballot with mulcair and maybe even win it. wow, ran out of time, not so great for her, just awkward.
that said, promoting her role as a negotiator doesn't compare (imo) with mulcair's "i'll beat this guy senseless".
Did Peggy Nash just get cut off, or was that just a weird thing on the NDP live feed?
Peggy seems to start off out of breath! OMG ... MUSIC STARTING DURING HER SPEECH :( OMG
I think Peggy did a good job. I think that "natural" sounds right. Almost felt like this is a conversation she has all the time. The speech was kind of inward looking... that is, it excited people like me, but I'm still not sure about her ability to bridge the gap between the NDP and the rest of Canada. (And yes, I think it was probably cut off.)
I honestly don't know what's going to happen with the votes. So I guess I'm gonna stick with my plan to vote Ashton first ballot, and see who the frontrunners are.
length of Tom's demonstration cut into his speech which was good but far from his best.
But he owns the floor. ,Nash next but with only one thirs or less of Tom's
The ever graceless Topp left the hall fot Tom's speech and returned for Peggy's. He will both lose badly and be a bad loser.
Don't they have managers? The video was boring, the Australian woman blithered and Peggy Nash got cut off.
Well, Nash didn't disappoint... boring as always, very little content, she's still preaching to the choir and she doesn't seem interested in reaching out to new voters. Her argument to convince people to vote for her seems to be that she deserves the position because she has been MP longer than most candidates and that she is a woman. In other words, she seemed to say "vote for me for WHAT I am, not who I am or what I think".
She was my sixth choice on my ballot, just ahead of Singh (and Saganash, who bowed out), she just confirmed to me that she deserved that position on my ballot.
I try to assume good faith about complements like that.
But yes, we don't typically focus on our politicians' sex appeal. So let's not make female MPs feel like we value their intellect any less than their male counterparts.
i value the intellect of her shoes more than i value the intellect of a dean del mastro. still, point taken.
lordy was just watching the feed have never ever watched a convention before. I really liked Peggy's energy and whole thingy with the music and her words. Going to miss the rest though gtg to work. Can't wait to wake up tomorrow to see who won rd 1.
First - Mulcair
2 - Cullen
3 - Nash
4 - Dewar
Last - Topp
NDP LEADERSHIP: Who’s popular in Google searches? Thomas Mulcair comes out on top
Singh's video is excellent.
GREAT campaign video by Martin Singh! Much better than the rest. Love it!
Singh seems to be having the best showcase of all the candidates lol
Enjoying Martin Singh's video. The medium is the message, in some cases. As much as you can talk progressive poliics, you can represent "progress" in the way you talk. Still haven't liked some other things he's said in the campaign. But I hope he stays involved, and becomes an MP.
hey, singh, great campaign video and i love the turbaned sikh son playing the nova scotia tune on the fiddle. redeeming himself at the end, here.
Well, Nash didn't disappoint... boring as always, very little content, she's still preaching to the choir and she doesn't seem interested in reaching out to new voters. Her argument to convince people to vote for her seems to be that she deserves the position because she has been MP longer than most candidates and that she is a woman. In other words, she seemed to say "vote for me for WHAT I am, not who I am or what I think".
She was my sixth choice on my ballot, just ahead of Singh (and Saganash, who bowed out), she just confirmed to me that she deserved that position on my ballot.
If that were the case I might be more confident of her capabilities. She lost in 2004 and 2008, defeated by Gerard Kennedy in 2008. She only returned to the House of Commons in May 2011 on the strength of NDP momentum in the area.
That was a really touching story about why he cares so much about pharmacare. The link between that story and Tommy Douglas's goes without saying. I think it's something a lot of people can relate to, too.
boy, singh really hotdogged it at the end there.
Speeches assessment:
1 - Cullen - great
2 - Ashton - great
3 - Singh - great
4 - Mulcair - did what front-runner needed to do
5 - Nash - did what was required of her
6 - Dewar - all right
7 - Topp - didn't pick up any votes today
man, that viet mp is a total babe, laurin liu has some nervousness issues.
I find Mathieu Ravignat totally woofy but that's not what's important right now. 
Actually, I've been watching the convention with my girlfriend, who cares about the NDP but not nearly as obsessed as I've been. She hasn't followed the intraparty bickering and the rumor mill. She's gonna vote for Ashton with me, but she's already decided that if Ashton doesn't do well, she's gonna support Topp on the later ballots. Really liked his speech and thinks he seems like a nice guy.
If only she caught some of the elbows he threw at the other debates ;)
Really, the task for Mulcair right now is just not to say anything too stupid that either costs him convention and e-votes tomorrow or which can be used in a Tory attack ad. So that's what you got.
Yeah, Mulcair certainly didn't do a bad job. It was a very competent, professional, positive presentation. He didn't lose a drop of support, and anyone who was leaning towards him probably saw what they needed to see to seal the deal.
Singh's "God bless Canada" closer really bugs me.
Online voting is down.
56,000 ballots cast already so 74,000 can vote over the next couple days.
If I had any doubt that Peggy sees herself as the Toronto candidate, and thinks that's a good thing, her presentation just cured my doubt. What was the point of, as someone said on CBC, using up her time with two local councillors no one outside Toronto has ever heard of?
According to Peter Van Dusen, 55,000 votes had been cast by the time we got to Nikki Ashton's presentation....
Ed Broadbent on CBC, saying Mulcair "bombed"-then begging not to be quoted out of context
Broadbent really does not know when to zip it - he is only continuing to discredit himself and the Topp campaign by his comments. I have heard that thousands of members went over to Mulcair after Broadbent's original outburst.
Just watching McDonaugh and Broadbent on Power and Politics. The former is classy in her assessment, Broadbent is embarassing himself.
Broadbent versus Alexa on CBC - the more I hear Broadbent, the less I like him, and I've never really liked him.
Nice to see Alexa take Ed to task on CBC :)
"I think I make it pretty clear throughout the article that I think the NDP's current version of social democracy is weak and inadequate to the great challenges of our times: defeating neo-liberalism and building alternatives to global capitalism."
I think Derrick wrote this in the previous thread. The great challenge of our time is to address the deteriorating physical environment and build a sustainable society. Defeating neo-liberalism and building alternatives to global capitalism is a necessary means to that end, not the end in itself. While I don't think there is any real evidence that Tom wants to or will take the Party to the right, I don't see any of the candidates addressing the need for really fundamental social and economic change.
Alexa skewered Broadbent on the need for the leader to be a sitting MP to be on the ground running. Broadbent said it's not a big deal - Alexa basically says Ed is bullshitting.
ETA: Fucking Ed Broadbent said Mulcair bombed today. What an asshole. Just gave the Cons and Libs their next attack ad.
Solomon is really playing up the controversy now. Nice job, Broadbent. How do you use language like "bombed" against one of your own party members? Unbelievable.
Wow, Ed Broadbent was just terrible. Alexa McDonough totally outclassed him.
Yeah, Broadbent is hurting the candidate that he's been trying to help. Maybe he's speaking from the hip, based on his own biases. But he needs to see the big picture (how to actually help Topp), and the bigger picture (how to help the NDP and Canada).
Lorne Nystrom: "There will be a backlash against Ed Broadbent for this today".
Alexa skewered Broadbent
Lorne Nystrom now doing the same
