Dave Coles calling for Labour to vote Topp.
Topp: "I don't believe Peggy will move to Mulcair".
NDP Leadership # 139
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:49
#52
Boom Boom
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:50
#53
The Topp/Broadbent establishment must be quite disappointed to only get 21% seeing as Topp was the odds on favourite at the beginning of this race.
You are a riot NR!
Not good enough that you've been proven wrong, you go ahead and read in dissapointement in the Topp camp.... as if every one of them just walked into the room from a nap they took in September.
They're happy. They know they still have an uphill haul. But they're happy.
They may not be pleased when the second ballot results come out, or the movement on the floor, particularly with the MPs, but I can't see them not being happy at the first ballot result.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:50
#54
Crashed again.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:50
#55
Who was Duncan supporting before she moved to Mulcair?
Who was Angus supporting before he moved to Mulcair? Dewar?
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:51
#56
85% of the votes were cast in advance.
Any movement between the candidates now is almost entirely symbolic, not strategic. Very few people are watching the convention floor for what they do next. I suspect that all 15% of the real-time votes might not show up in the second round.
I don't think any of the candidates will throw support to another candidate. Seeing as their support would only be symbolic, it's more valuable to use their endorsement as a symbol of unity than a symbol of "trying to stop" another candidate.
The real time votes might increase, just because the live first ballot voting was quite early for a lot of people, particularly those in the west but that could be offset by the usual phenomenon of some people voting in the first ballot but not subsequently as their favourite candidate drops off (and also by advance voters not listing all their alternate choices.
But yes, unless there's a knife edge result, the deciding votes were cast before today and what happens on the floor is of no consequence.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:51
#57
Naomi Klein: Some of the people crossing the floor to Mulcair seem to be driven by fear of reprisal, not conviction. Bad sign #ndpldr
What a jackass thing to say. Unbelievable. Really that's what would motivate a Charlie Angus or a Linda Duncan. Klein just dropped a huge amount in my esteem.
After seeing what he does to other colleagues who cross him or his opinions, it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Sorry Michelle that is just so wrong on every level. I have very strong negative opinions about Sid Ryan from my time as a CUPE president with my own direct life experience, yet you don't see me saying these kinds of things.
I think you are a wonderful person, but if this is now the appropriate tone for babble I'm done for good.
Goodbye all. Have wonderful lives.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:52
#58
There's a huge irony in the actions of the establishment over the course of this campaign, especially in the last few days. When is the last time the establishment of a party flirted so closely with tearing the party apart?
I think the establishment is as divided as the Party. It seems the Lewis' are backing Mulcair.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:53
#59
Michelle I am pretty mad about what you said regarding people's feelings abou wanting others fired because they didn't support Mulcair. You have a hell of a lot of nerve.
What is wrong with you? Is reading for comprehension that difficult? I didn't say that you wanted to see someone fired because they didn't support Mulcair. Read my post again. Jebus.
What I said is that I've noticed that the few people on babble who are calling for staffers to be fired for mistakes are Mulcair supporters. I'm not saying that you want to see people fired for not supporting Mulcair. I'm saying that you want to see them fired for mistakes. I have no idea who the staffers are supporting for leadership.
If you're going to be mad, at least be mad about something that was actually said.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:53
#60
Idealistic Prag...
Michelle I am pretty mad about what you said regarding people's feelings abou wanting others fired because they didn't support Mulcair. You have a hell of a lot of nerve.
Arthur, you are saying that the party is "done" if Topp wins, and now you're saying that Michelle has a lot of nerve for speculating about that? Seriously, take a deep breath. And maybe another walk.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:53
#61
Boom Boom
BC votes may make the difference today.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:55
#62
When is the last time the establishment of a party flirted so closely with tearing the party apart?
This is silly. The why has been gone into many times.
[And what PW just said is part of the reason.]
And for what its worth, if Mulcair wins, I have hopeful things in mind even though I'll be pretyy disappointed.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:55
#63
Idealistic Prag...
Who was Duncan supporting before she moved to Mulcair?
Who was Angus supporting before he moved to Mulcair? Dewar?
Yes, both were supporting Dewar before.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:55
#64
When is the last time the establishment of a party flirted so closely with tearing the party apart?
This is silly.
Is it? How do Broadbent and Topp (and now what appears to be the entire labour movement) move back behind Mulcair, with any credibility, if he wins?
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:56
#65
BC votes may make the difference today.
I agree as the province with the most NDP members !
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:56
#66
God the amount of fighting here over petty bullshit never ceases to amaze me.
Having a ton of trouble voting in real time :(
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:58
#67
I have to say it's rather ironic that last fall, when Mulcair looked like an also ran, Brian Topp was being viewed as the great right wing threat in the NDP who had to be stopped at all costs and now he's the great left hope.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:58
#68
Is it? How do Broadbent and Topp (and now what appears to be the entire labour movement) move back behind Mulcair, with any credibility, if he wins?
They haven't said anything that they can't walk back. They haven't said "he might as well be Harper", or "he's not a real New Democrat", or "he's completely unacceptable as leader".
It's very simple.
After the race, Topp and Broadbent both endorse Mulcair and say "the race is over, and things were said in the heat of the moment, but we know Mulcair is one of us."
Vice versa, Mulcair would be that magnanimous. At least I hope so.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:58
#69
Bookish Agrarian wrote:
I'm curious about the total number of votes. It seems surprisingly low to me. I sure hope nothing went wrong. The three online votes in our house went well on our end.
I voted online before the convention because of my experience during the BC leadership convention. During that, I voted online on the first ballot but despite continuous efforts to vote on subsequent ballots I was unable to do so. After that completely frustrating experience, I decided to never vote online again during the convention. Rosemary Barton says she has already received 20 tweets of people complaining they cannot vote online now. I suspect that the low vote total is partly a product of people not being able to vote. The party needs to review this for the next provincial or federal leadership convention. Even then, I will not vote at convention time - I've heard the reassurances that it will go well twice too often.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:58
#70
Boom Boom
Peggy telling reporters what she thinks of Topp's advice telling her to drop out. 
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:58
#71
Stop being such a diva and stick around.
Sat, 2012-03-24 11:59
#72
Voting now closes at 12:45 Eastern
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:00
#73
I can't wait for this to be over so that we can all get our knickers unbunched and move on.
*sigh*
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:00
#74
Finally got through -- and then it wouldn't register my vote!
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:00
#75
Wow, Mansbridge just called Sid Ryan a "union boss". Charming.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:00
#76
radiorahim
Mansbridge is a dick...referring to Sid Ryan as a "union boss".
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:01
#77
The voting has been extended to 12:45. radiorahim finally got through about 15 minutes ago.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:01
#78
Interested Observer
+30 mins for voting due to complications
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:01
#79
Sid Ryan has switched his support from Peggy Nash to Brian Topp. If Peggy Nash comes last on the 2nd ballot, I wonder who she would support. My money is NOT on Topp. What's that saying? "Politics makes strange bedfellows." I think she will go to Mulcair if the final ballot is between Mulcair and Topp.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:01
#80
Sid Ryan knows the race is over - he's just preparing to be anti-mulcair once the final vote is in. At least he's consistent. MPs crossing over to support a likely winner has been happening at every convention since political parties were formed. Plus most don't want to have another interim leader for at least another six months.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:01
#81
I think BA's comment to Michelle is a good reminder: there are plenty of people in the NDP who play rough hardball, yet most people are selective about what of that they choose to see.
But you might reflect on that selectivity yourself BA.
One thing that adds to people's readiness to be selective is that 'players' do the hardball thing at different times. Just because some are not doing at a given momemnt does not mean they are not equally capable and willing.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:01
#82
BA I sincerely hope you don't leave.
Unfortunately some people here have taken the Davies issue and blown it out of all proportion, and have been trying to hold it over everyone's head. And that is damaging rabble. It is time to get over it. People who live in the past die of remorse.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:03
#83
When is the last time the establishment of a party flirted so closely with tearing the party apart?
This is silly.
Is it? How do Broadbent and Topp (and now what appears to be the entire labour movement) move back behind Mulcair, with any credibility, if he wins?
Sid Ryan is not the entire labour movement.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:03
#84
At last, vote registered.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:04
#85
Dave Coles calling for Labour to vote Topp.
Topp: "I don't believe Peggy will move to Mulcair".
She may just release her delegates.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:04
#86
Sorry to see the depth of animosity here. There have been some severe words. I hope people think before they post enough to feel that they can live with those words next week no matter what happens.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:05
#87
Peggy telling reporters what she thinks of Topp's advice telling her to drop out.
Actually, it was Sid Ryan who suggested that she drop out. That's what they were asking her about. She said something like that she thanks him for his opinion, but she's staying in.
I think that's the best thing to do, personally. It would be fine for her to stay in until forced out, and then move her support to wherever she feels best.
The interview with Sid and Dave Coles is interesting - the whole emphasis on "moving your supporters" to another camp is kind of old school, leftover from the delegate days. And the media is stuck in delegate mode too, asking Nash if she will "release" her supporters. I didn't realize anyone was being held captive.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:05
#88
Voteing extended to12:45:
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:06
#89
Catchfire
BA, I totally get it. I hope you take a break if you need one, but I've enjoyed your few posts on these threads (would that every poster had your economy!). Check us out again post-leadership and hopefully the torrid water will have calmed some.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:06
#90
How do Broadbent and Topp (and now what appears to be the entire labour movement) move back behind Mulcair, with any credibility, if he wins?
Its much easier than you obviously think.
I could role play what they say off the top of my head with no preparation. And it would be convincing, in part because it will be sincere. People take the inside baseball stuff too seriously.
And Mulcair has a good portion of the labour leaders in his camp- as much as Topp I would say.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:06
#91
Sid Ryan has switched his support from Peggy Nash to Brian Topp. If Peggy Nash comes last on the 2nd ballot, I wonder who she would support. My money is NOT on Topp. What's that saying? "Politics makes strange bedfellows." I think she will go to Mulcair if the final ballot is between Mulcair and Topp.
Highly doubt it.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:08
#92
I happen to agree that Libby was treated badly. Nor am I Mulcair supporter.
Often things in life are like a dam breaking. babble has become so toxic I just can't take it anymore. My posting has dropped dramtically. It is just simply time to turn off the tap completely. Sometimes there is just one too many pieces of straw. And Michelle is a wonderful, wonderful person and it really has nothing to do with that.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:09
#93
Highly doubt it.Sid Ryan has switched his support from Peggy Nash to Brian Topp. If Peggy Nash comes last on the 2nd ballot, I wonder who she would support. My money is NOT on Topp. What's that saying? "Politics makes strange bedfellows." I think she will go to Mulcair if the final ballot is between Mulcair and Topp.
More likely she will not support anyone.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:11
#94
There is a huge possibility that many skipped the first round assuming only one person would drop out and then they would vote. Instead almost half the field is gone. If that is the case then the field is wide open because we really have no idea who skipped.
If the likelihood were to be one province or another due to time zones then you could work it out but given that the voting for first ballot opened early enough last night I don't think that one part of the country is more likely than another to not vote in the first round.
Another variable is the people who put Saganash as first when those were all counted as spoiled. Those people will have their second count now and that will boost the numbers as well. I suspect that the second round will have a lot more people for three reasons:
1) the outcome is far from certain with a path to win for more than one candidate and most members across the country are aware of this.
2)Saganash supporters who hoped that voting for him would send an encouragement will now see their votes count when they did not before if they placed Saganash as first.
3) The people who did not vote in the first round presuming it did not mean much may now vote.
If I am right then any prediction would make no sense if another 10,000 or more people could vote coming in in any direction.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:12
#95
All eyes are on Cullen now.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:14
#96
Congrats, Wilf!
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:14
#97
Peggy telling reporters what she thinks of Topp's advice telling her to drop out.
Brian Topp didn't advise Peggy to drop out. Sid Ryan advised Peggy to drop out.
The only things Topp has said about Peggy's role are that:
1) He hopes she'll support him if she is forced to drop out, and that
2) if he were to be eliminated and she were still on the ballot, he would support her.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:14
#98
I agree, BA, that the tone in the leadership threads hasn't always been great, and I have contributed to some of it.
I hope you'll stick around. I like you and your posts.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:16
#99
infracaninophile
Blasted online voting is NOT working. I've been trying nonstop for 74 minutes, servers not working.
Twitter is full of people with the same problem.
Some election!
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:17
#100
My posting has dropped dramtically. It is just simply time to turn off the tap completely. Sometimes there is just one too many pieces of straw.
Please reconsider.
Or at least comment on my post #2 in thread #138, which I wrote to see what you think of Francine Raynault.
Sat, 2012-03-24 12:17
#101
When I was voting on line yesterday I could not get through using IE as it showed only a grey screen with no vote button or anything so I switched to Firefox and had no problems.