How do we create jobs in Ontario?
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How Do We Create Jobs in Ontario?
Sun, 2012-04-08 05:08
#1
How Do We Create Jobs in Ontario?
Sun, 2012-04-08 05:18
#2
Man(derly), did you ever come to the wrong place to pose such a question.
Sun, 2012-04-08 05:25
#3
There is a Ontario Jobs Crisis...worsened by the Petro dollar...and Federal economic policy favouring Alberta...
Many parts of Ontario are at Great Depression levels of unemployment ...
We need strategic leadership and engagement across all sectors of the economy..with the private setor... with unions... with average families ... with civil society.......with cities...
...To create a jobs strategy to foster build and keep good quality Ontario jobs....
Sitting on the sidelines is not an option....The future of our province is at stake....we all need to pull together to build our future!
Sun, 2012-04-08 06:13
#4
It's a multi-part answer, but it begins with the fact that we need a prolonged period of about 30 years without either of the two oldest political parties in government.
Sun, 2012-04-08 12:51
#5
There IS a Ontario Jobs Crisis.
You're right. However, this is the "Atlantic Provinces" forum(dealing with issues regarding Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, PEI and New Brunswick). You need to restart this in the Ontario forum. That way, people will actually see it and respond to it. That's all Fidel was trying to say. OK?
Sun, 2012-04-08 13:59
#6
M. Spector
It's a multi-part answer, but it begins with the fact that we need a prolonged period of about 30 years without either of the two oldest political parties in government.
That's the best Fidel's got: wait 30 years and maybe something good will happen. No wonder the NDP is doomed to failure.
Sun, 2012-04-08 14:02
#7
M. Spector
[url=http://www.climate-change-jobs.org/sites/default/files/1MillionClimateJo... Million Climate Jobs[/url]
Sun, 2012-04-08 15:28
#8
[url=http://www.climate-change-jobs.org/sites/default/files/1MillionClimateJo... Million Climate Jobs[/url]
+1 
Sun, 2012-04-08 16:57
#9
Hopefully this will be moved to the appropriate forum.
The way to create jobs in Ontario is to maintain and enhance the current infrastructure. Good roads, good education is the key. And to do that in this climate, we need to tax the wealthy and, in particular, financial institutions.
Infrastructure also includes things like cheaper health care. How this province has become a place where hospital CEO's get science fiction like renumeration while our hospital infection rates are something out of the 19th century has to be examined.
And a serious detailed investigation of all aspects of health care-- an audit with the OPP and RCMP on either shoulder of the auditor has to take place. There is a culture of corruption and entitlement in health care-- it's painfully obvious-- and it's high time for some kind of purge and "riegn of terror" where the rot it rooted out.
The savings will be in the billions, and besides a more efficient health care system contributing to a better infrastructure, it could possibly free up cash for improvements.
Legislation to insist that all natural resources from mining only leave the province as finished goods would be a tremendous step in the right direction. And more realistic royalty rates would help the provincial coffers do more to improve the infrastructure.
Just for starters.
Sun, 2012-04-08 17:52
#10
M Spector...Do you have Job creation suggestions?
Ken Burch.. had meant to put this in Ontario...noticed it after posting....got in trouble for multi posting the similar topics already... so....that made me hesitant to re post ....
Sun, 2012-04-08 20:00
#11
This thread now lives in the Ontario forum. Thanks for the heads up.
Sun, 2012-04-08 20:30
#12
M. Spector
M Spector...Do you have Job creation suggestions?
[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/atlantic-provinces/how-do-we-create-jobs-ontario...
Sun, 2012-04-08 22:28
#13
M Spector...Do you have Job creation suggestions?
[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/atlantic-provinces/how-do-we-create-jobs-ontario...
:-) ...Care to share them?
Sun, 2012-04-08 22:29
#14
Thanks again Rebecca!
Sun, 2012-04-08 22:40
#15
M Spector...Do you have Job creation suggestions?
[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/atlantic-provinces/how-do-we-create-jobs-ontario...
:-) ...Care to share them?
Doc... on babble, words appearing in red text are hyperlinks that will take you somewhere else when you click on them. Clicking on the link below might answer your question.
[url=http://www.climate-change-jobs.org/sites/default/files/1MillionClimateJo... Million Climate Jobs[/url]
Sun, 2012-04-08 23:00
#16
d oh, thanks , missed that!
Mon, 2012-04-09 06:56
#17
No wonder the NDP is doomed to failure.
It's entirely possible in fact that we'll be measuring their 'success' at some point. Canadians tend to disfavour current ruling arrangements in favour of another, sometime after they've accumulated the latest thousand fresh cuts from rampant corruption, cronyism, and incompetence. We have to be nearing that marker already with the Harper government, surely to god in time for the next election, and the Liberals are in no position to bring off another wholesale mass delusion anytime soon. I think all we'll manage to look forward to is the NDP happy dance of success, before we know it.
Mon, 2012-04-09 09:35
#18
Political parties are rarely elected in this country: But they are routinely un-elected.
The Federal NDP better have it's shit together.
Wed, 2012-04-11 05:12
#19
This is what Andrea said on jobs....
Pretty good comments....the problem is that if passed though the budget will causea giant spike in uemployment...
"There are nearly 550,000 people looking for work in Ontario. Instead of addressing this crisis this budget actually throws people out of work..."
Wed, 2012-04-11 09:08
#20
Another aspect of job creation that has to be looked at is just how we define "jobs".
What has happenedin Ontario is a devastating loss of jobs that pay a mortgage and raise a family, particularly for people that do not have post secondary education.
Creating jobs that do not allow a person to pay a mortgage, raise a family etc., cannot be put on par with jobs that do; yet our statisticians, technocrats and politicians routinely engage in this deliberately misleading practice.
When Ontario looks at creating jobs, we should be looking at creating proper jobs and not "McJobs".
Wed, 2012-04-11 09:12
#21
Another aspect of job creation that has to be looked at is just how we define "jobs".
What has happenedin Ontario is a devastating loss of jobs that pay a mortgage and raise a family, particularly for people that do not have post secondary education.
Creating jobs that do not allow a person to pay a mortgage, raise a family etc., cannot be put on par with jobs that do; yet our statisticians, technocrats and politicians routinely engage in this deliberately misleading practice.
When Ontario looks at creating jobs, we should be looking at creating proper jobs and not "McJobs".
Big time agree fully!
Sat, 2012-04-28 11:59
#22
Don't just think jobs are hard to find if you don't have university education. I am a doctor born, raised and trained in Ontario. I couldn't find a job after contacting multiple hospitals, Healt Force Ontario and my MP and MPP. So I moved to Western Canada where there are more jobs and less tax.
I am not the only doctor who had to do this either. A lot of my friends have done the same.
And, although I was frustrated/upset last year when I moved I realized that life isn't just better out here.. I just paid my income taxes and i am pleasantly surprised at how low the income tax rates are here.
Sat, 2012-04-28 12:02
#23
Sat, 2012-04-28 13:25
#24
bagkitty
ummmm.... discover oil deposits?
Sat, 2012-04-28 13:46
#25
M. Spector
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAO2Oa5iWa8]One Million Climate Jobs Now![/URL] - the video (10-minute version)
Sun, 2012-04-29 06:23
#26
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAO2Oa5iWa8]One Million Climate Jobs Now![/URL] - the video (10-minute version)
"If the planet was a bank, governments would have already rescued it."
Good one.
We need a socio-economic system that places man's needs at the centre because the evironment and man's needs are intricately linked. Capitalism does not provide a full accounting of man's needs or environmental needs. State capitalism is really fascism.
Mon, 2012-04-30 16:00
#27
Ontario still has a wealth of natural resources. How about, instead of allowing foreign-owned (mostly USian) to exploit them, and choose viable farmland to turn into a moonscape, go north. Not to rape the northern wilderness, but to faciliate the best practises of harvesting resources while using local labour, in particular First Nations. In fact, don't make consulting FNs a part of the exploitation of natural resources -- that's crap, paying lip service, but actually have and enforce legislation that ensures that FNs are not only consulted in a token way, but are actually in control of what happens.
Yes, we need a certain amount of foreign investment -- we have numerous examples of closed state economies that fail -- but why the hell don't we invest in our own country? It's not like we don't have the raw materials or the skilled workers. It's not like we have to have a business model that pays dividents to some US hedge fund.
Yeah, I know, ain't sayin' nuthin' new. But really. Why not?
Mon, 2012-04-30 18:55
#28
Rebecca, Mel Hurtig did some research Ottawa before writing several books on the state of Canada's economy. He discovered that the business class in Canada have complained about a lack of investment opportunities here, Hurtig says this is because more than 14, 418 Canadian corporations were scooped-up by foreign investors and mainly rich Americans since 1985. Hurtig says it's no wonder there are fewer good opportunities left for Canadian pensions and other funds to invest in Canada. And so they invest in the U.S. and abroad. Meanwhile Canada's big six banks have been financing these foreign takeovers and using the savings of Canadians to do it. About two-thirds of those 14,000 foreign acquisitions were financed by Canada's big banks.
Every economy is centrally planned. Laissez-faire is a myth. Capitalists would never allow an invisible hand to govern markets. Why not?
It's because invisible hands have not now nor have they ever existed. They pull our legs when talking about mysterious market forces. And I can't help but laugh at the idea. It causes me to quote low budget sci-fi movies from the 60s starring Sean Connery:
Arthur Frayn: It was I who led you to the 'Wizard of Oz' book! Ha-hah, it was I who gave you access to the Stone! It was I!
[a chime is heard]
Arthur Frayn: I bred you! I led you!
Zed: And I have looked into the face of the force that put the idea in your mind. You are bred, and led, yourself.
We've all been used and re-used and abused over and over. Charade they are.
Mon, 2012-04-30 19:46
#29
M. Spector
... the business class in Canada have complained about a lack of investment opportunities here, Hurtig says this is because more than 14, 418 Canadian corporations were scooped-up by foreign investors and mainly rich Americans since 1985. Hurtig says it's no wonder there are fewer good opportunities left for Canadian pensions and other funds to invest in Canada. And so they invest in the U.S. and abroad.
My heart bleeds for the poor "business class" in Canada (I thought that was a section of seats on an airplane)! Sitting on piles of (our) money and nowhere to invest it except in other countries!
Mon, 2012-04-30 20:25
#30
... the business class in Canada have complained about a lack of investment opportunities here, Hurtig says this is because more than 14, 418 Canadian corporations were scooped-up by foreign investors and mainly rich Americans since 1985. Hurtig says it's no wonder there are fewer good opportunities left for Canadian pensions and other funds to invest in Canada. And so they invest in the U.S. and abroad.
My heart bleeds for the poor "business class" in Canada (I thought that was a section of seats on an airplane)! Sitting on piles of (our) money and nowhere to invest it except in other countries!
Yes, I know. A number of Canadian oligarchs once thought NAFTA would guarantee them monopoly access to U.S. markets. They were wrong. Only the reverse has been true for absentee corporate landlords based in America. $22.5 billion dollars in corporate profits were siphoned out of Canada in 2005 alone.
And so Canadians have been enjoying national energy policy dictated to us from corporate board rooms in America ever since. Same with manufacturing and about 30 other key sectors of Canadian economy. Advocates for the very neoliberal trade deals under Mulroney and Chretien believed that Canada would benefit by becoming a 51st US state. Instead Canada has become a sort of semi-frozen Northern Puerto Rico with a few homeless polar bears and lots of moose pasture.
Mon, 2012-04-30 22:03
#31
At a certain point we have to move beyond the idea that our lives are about jobs, and start creating economies based on livelihoods and interdependent lifestyles. What is it that you want to do in life? How do you want to live? That should be what you want to create. By taking care of ourselves on this level, we change how economies work, and we change the control structure in our societies.
It takes strength and a radical stance to say no to crappy or mediocre options.
In short, we need to stop thinking exclusively about "jobs", as in something that someone else gives or takes away from us, and start thinking in terms of how we want to live and what we want to do, individually or collectively.
Thu, 2012-06-07 20:37
#32
Given Ontarios employment challenges... Would the best social program right now be a good stable job?
Ie: A return to post WW II era bargain when a fair day's work meant a fair day's pay.....
Sat, 2012-06-09 08:02
#33
I've heard it said before that there needs to be an economic driver or perhaps even several. The U.S. economy, the most influential for a long time, used to have certain key economic drivers. Today it's money and financial engineering, or at least it was post-1987. Now I think capitalism is in survival mode and all manner of distortions of market economics have become US Government policy. But the solutions always come with an understanding that capitalists must somehow be major benefactors of the grand plan. And let's face it, all economies are centrally planned even their imaginary laissez-faire capitalism. It's broken. The broken ideology was gaining momentum decades ago and proverbial shit hitting the fan only now. Sometimes ideology seems to work in spite of its hopeless flaws. It's failed in various world experiments since 14th century Italy. Any philosopher with a background in logic would say it's time to try something else,
Sat, 2012-06-09 09:36
#34
autoworker
I think the thread title should be amended to read: 'good jobs'.
Tue, 2012-06-12 01:53
#35
Agreed. Nobody should ever have to be relegated to a "McJob".
Tue, 2012-06-12 02:57
#36
Yes, but lots are and the NDP-Liberal austerity budget advances this process immeasurably. Just what the banksters ordered.
Tue, 2012-06-12 08:15
#37
Force resources mined in the province to be processed here.
Lower electiricity costs for businesses.
It's funny, because Northern Ontario is actually going through a semi-boom, and they can't find enough workers to do the work. But many people don't want to go anywhere North of Vaughan to work.
Tue, 2012-06-12 18:43
#38
Canadian manufacturing is majority foreign-owned and controlled after 14,418 takeovers since 1985. No other rich country has allowed one-third as much foreign ownership of manufacturing, an important industry considered to be key to all national economies presently and in the future.
So where are the jobs? Why aren't proponents of scrapping FIRA in 1985 and signing on to NAFTA by 1994 stepping up to take credit for their wonderful central planning? Their only plan now seems to be to tread water by shovelling some $60 billion dollars a year in interest payments to banks and foreign creditors. It's as if neither governments nor their big money puppeteers have any interest in fuller employment policies. It's as if they are following a new business plan that says debt equals wealth creation. More public debt equals more wealth creation for creditors. And if that sounds Orwellian, it's because it is.
Wed, 2012-11-28 06:48
#39
Well acording to our federal government TAX BREAKS for big business will do it!
That is not working too well seeing as the Finance Minister recently chided big business for just sitting on that money eh?
CEO bonuses probably increased tho!!!