Syria #8: US Escalates War of Words: Russia & China Will 'Pay Price'

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Sat, 2012-07-14 18:30

contrarianna

NorthReport wrote:

Massacre Reported in Syria as Security Council Meets

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/world/middleeast/syria-says-defecting-...

There are endless scorecards and counter-scorecards of who did what to whom in Syria when there are limited facts and information coming out.
It would be comical were it not for the deadly fallout and the loathsome spectacle of cheerleaders for violence.

What should be abundantly clear is the preponderance of information and disinformation promoted in the West is designed bring on yet another self-serving regime change justified by the "humanitarian" introduction of more weaponry, and the justification of phoney "humanitarian intervention".
Western media and governments for the most part are an uncritical echo chamber in a closed loop for interventionist agitating shadowy "sources".

Standard propaganda practice is to plant the desired slanted "outrages" in the public mind (repeated in the posts of the complicitous and dupes) and, when the story is modified by unsolicited reality--plant those unwanted details on page 99.

The first stories are the ones that will stick in the managed minds of the public.

Thus, from the New York Times article above:

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Massacre Reported in Syria as Security Council Meets
By RICK GLADSTONE and NEIL MacFARQUHAR
Published: July 12, 2012

Syrian opposition activists said more than 200 people were killed in a Sunni village on Thursday by government forces using tanks and helicopters, which, if confirmed, would be the worst in a series of massacres that have convulsed Syria’s increasingly sectarian uprising against President Bashar al-Assad....

Now, several days later we have, also from the NYT, the other shoe softly drops :

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Details of a Battle Challenge Reports of a Syrian Massacre

Although what actually happened in Tremseh remains murky, the evidence available suggested that events on Thursday more closely followed the Syrian government account. But Syrian officials colored that account with their usual terminology of blaming “foreign terrorist gangs” for all violence. The government said the Syrian Army had inflicted “heavy losses” on the “terrorists.” ....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/world/middleeast/details-of-a-battle-challenge-reports-of-a-syrian-massacre.html?_r=3&smid=tw-nytimesworld&seid=auto [/quote]

More here:
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/07/14/reports-of-syrian-massacre-discredited/

Sat, 2012-07-14 20:31

#53

NDPP

UN Meetings and Syrian Massacres: Timing is Everything (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/un-syria-massacre-rebels-173/

[Tariq] Ali continued, new evidence destroying the official Western view on the Syrian crisis begins to come from trustworthy sources in the media.

'I have now seen evidence from journalists in the field that I trust - like Charles Glass, who've been there - who insist that atrocities carried out by the Syrian National Council and their organizational supporters are creating mayhem in some areas and they are deliberately carrying out these atrocities so that they can be blamed onto the regime,' he said..."

Interviews with Tariq Ali, Guenter Meyer and Sharmine Narwani

Sat, 2012-07-14 23:03

#54

Fidel

Thanks contrarianna and NDPP. More on Syria's false flag terror...

Engineering Consent For An Attack On Syria Syrian "Civilian Massacre" Story Falls Apart

Alex Newman wrote:
July 14, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- Yet another alleged "massacre" of "civilians" by the Syrian regime was in the establishment-press headlines this week, supposedly a brutal killing spree by dictator Bashar al-Assad's forces in the village of Tremseh that left up to 250 people dead. As has become typical, Western governments and mainstream media outlets - the New York Times, the BBC, and others included - parroted anonymous "opposition activists" for the claims. But within days, after foreign powers seeking regime change had their chance to beat the war drums even louder, the carefully constructed tale was already falling apart.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, one of the top defenders of the dangerous "rebel" coalition operating in Syria at American taxpayer expense, immediately claimed there was "indisputable evidence that the regime deliberately murdered innocent civilians" - "over 200 men, women and children," in fact. She did not present or cite any of the alleged evidence, but vowed to punish those responsible amid more calls for immediate regime change. Other Western leaders and financiers of the violence in Syria issued similar condemnations and more threats.

Gladio Gang and their Goebbelsesque pro war propaganda machine lying to the public. Again! They dream of war. It's what they do.

Sun, 2012-07-15 13:12

#55

NorthReport

Syria conflict now a civil war, Red Cross says

Regime denies using heavy weapons in village of Tremseh

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/15/syria-denies-use-of-heavy-...

Sun, 2012-07-15 16:29

#56

contrarianna

NorthReport wrote:

Syria conflict now a civil war, Red Cross says

Regime denies using heavy weapons in village of Tremseh

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/15/syria-denies-use-of-heavy-...

Still uncritically reposting Western propaganda?

I guess it saves ever having to defend your own position.

So let's actually look at how this story operates.

This is the same event I commented on above in post #56 as an example of how propaganda works--only this story is more pernicious.
The general propaganda mechanisms described in that post also obtain with the CBC piece (actually an AP story), but with significant differences.

This is essentially the CBC/AP's minimalist accommodation/suppression of the UN's findings as revealed by the NYT story:

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Details of a Battle Challenge Reports of a Syrian Massacre
...Although what actually happened in Tremseh remains murky, the evidence available suggested that events on Thursday more closely followed the Syrian government account...

Thus, The CBC/AP story now has less obvious interventionist outrage to stir up--yet it manages to do so anyway while it provides links back to:

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Syrian violence continues
Tremseh massacre possibly the bloodiest attack yet on Syrian protesters

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/photos/2745/#igImgId_45462

Additionally, the CBC dutifully regurgitated the patently deceitful AP story:

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UN blames Syrian massacre on regime forces
Scores of people killed in impoverished village of Tremseh
The Associated Press
Posted: Jul 13, 2012 6:04 AM ET
Last Updated: Jul 13, 2012 8:00 PM ET

The UN singled out government forces Friday for blame in the latest massacre in Syria, a frenzy of killing that raises new questions about whether diplomacy has any chance to end the crisis more than 16 months into the bloodiest revolt of the Arab Spring.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/13/syria-shelling-tremseh.html

Now, back the story in question now and how it handles unwanted revelations.

Because the "massacre" deception has been discredited, this story modifies the angle of attack, that is, highlighting the deceit of the brutal Assad regime:

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Syria on Sunday denied United Nations claims that government forces used heavy weapons during a military operation that left scores dead and brought immediate international condemnation, while the International Committee of the Red Cross said it now considers the conflict in the country a civil war.

Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi said the violence Thursday was not a massacre — as activists and many foreign leaders have asserted — but a military operation targeting armed fighters who had taken control of the village of Tremseh....

The first 2 paragraphs consciously and deceitfully conflates two different issues in order to supress the UN findings it buries later in the story:

The first paragraph starts off with true claim that the Assad regime's propaganda on "heavy weapons" is a lie--(of course heavy weapons were used--they had them). No surprise here, the nasty regime, and favorite destination for US rendition torture victims (eg Maher Arar) can hardly be depended on to tell the truth on anything (for that matter, what country involved in a war can?).

Now that the stories theme of Assad deceit is established, it carries over to the second paragraph where it is the deceitful regime (not the UN fact finding mission) which now claims it was not a massacre.

When the propaganda piece finally, vaguely, does get around to mentioning the discredited massacre story, it is given a different spin:

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Some of the emerging details suggested that, rather than the outright shelling of civilians that the opposition has depicted, the violence in Tremseh may have been a lopsided fight between the army pursuing the opposition and activists and locals trying to defend the village....

I suppose calling rebel combatants, "activists" is major concession over the CBC/AP's previous reference to them as "protesters".

Sun, 2012-07-15 16:34

#57

NDPP

Canada Swooped in to Freeze Billions in Arab Spring Assets: RCMP Documents - by Jim Bronskill

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/15/canada-swooped-in-to-freeze-bill...

"Canadian authorities red-pencilled almost $4.3 Billion in suspect assets belonging to dictators, allegedly corrupt officials, and others in response to the Arab Spring uprisings, newly disclosed documents say. An RCMP briefing note says the national police force's federal policy branch worked with the Foreign Affairs Department, Public Safety, security intelligence agencies and Canadian banks to 'identify and freeze' the assets.

The note, obtained by The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act, paints a picture of the extent to which Canadian officials toiled behind the scenes to drain the financial lifeblood of Arab dictatorships. The agencies relied on an array of sanctions, and legislative tools to freeze money and property linked to regimes that toppled in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia, as well as Syria, whose leadership has so far withstood intense pressure from opponents..."

Sun, 2012-07-15 17:53

#58

Fidel

NorthReport wrote:

Syria conflict now a civil war, Red Cross says

Regime denies using heavy weapons in village of Tremseh

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/15/syria-denies-use-of-heavy-...

And we know just how politically 'neutral' the Red Cross can be. ICRC was notorious for handing out relief supplies to the other side when the U.S.-backed Thai Army were trying to install Pol Pot in Phnom Penh. For those of us born more recently, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were the biggest mass murderers since Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

Mon, 2012-07-16 07:56

#59

NDPP

West is Using 'Blackmail' in New Draft of UN Resolution on Syria (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/blackmail-resolution-syria-lavrov-255/

"...Referencing the consistent refusal of Syrian opposition to open negotiations with Damascus, Lavrov said that those nations who have influence over the opposition should pressure for a single representative to be assigned in order to open political dialogue. 'Trying to persuade Assad to leave office is unrealistic. Assad will not step down because he has the support of the majority of the Syrian people,' stressed Lavrov.

He leveled criticism at Western nationa for refusing diplomatic negotiations with President Assad. 'Some of our Western partners called for the resolution to stipulate an economic and communications blockade be imposed on the Syrian government,' Lavrov said. 'This was not stipulated in the Geneva agreement and would quicken Syria's descent into civil war.' Russia has urged its Western partners to get behind Kofi Annan's plan.."

Mon, 2012-07-16 11:34

#60

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

I say again... If the rebels are in fact NOT Syrian like most here claim then the Syrian military, with the support of its people, will have no problem defeating an outside enemy like this.

Mon, 2012-07-16 12:45

#61

contrarianna

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

I say again... If the rebels are in fact NOT Syrian like most here claim then the Syrian military, with the support of its people, will have no problem defeating an outside enemy like this.

That is a pretty strange claim about claims.

"Most" claim what? Perhaps you could add them up.

It's pretty obvious that there are mainly anti-Assad SYRIAN fighters(with various agenda's) , as there would be in any rebelion against any oppressive regime in the ME--including the oppressive states supported by the West.

It's also clear (not a "claim by most people here") that there are many outside fighters (as well as arms, ied's, etc channeled by the West) flowing into Syria. You don't need to go to a leftist board to find that out for yourself.

Mon, 2012-07-16 13:24

#62

NorthReport

How much longer can Assad last?

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1226933--syrian-capital-rocked...

Mon, 2012-07-16 13:43

#63

Fidel

[url=http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31914][size=14]Hillary Clinton Must Resign[/size][/url]
Irresponsible warmongering leaves US credibility irrevocably damaged.

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Cites false reports regarding Syria "massacre" to call for UN Chapter 7. Irresponsible warmongering leaves American credibility irrevocably damaged.

U.S.-Qa'eda terrorizing Syria.

Mon, 2012-07-16 13:56

#64

contrarianna

Western governments, their media, and useful idiots (far and near), and the Turkish PM--who, ironically, ought to know better about using the "genocide" word--continue to use the discredited phoney Tremseh "massacre" story to prevent negotiatons and and to call for more direct military intervention.

http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,16097550,00.html

http://www.brecorder.com/top-news/109-world-top-news/67894-obama-delay-u...

http://www.arabnews.com/%E2%80%98genocide%E2%80%99-bid-assad%E2%80%99s-m...

Links supplied from here:

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Discredited, But Syria ‘Massacre’ Hysteria Continues
Turkish PM Brands Massacre That Didn't Happened 'Genocide'
by Jason Ditz, July 15, 2012

http://news.antiwar.com/2012/07/15/discredited-but-syria-massacre-hyster...

Mon, 2012-07-16 15:54

#65

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

contrarianna wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

I say again... If the rebels are in fact NOT Syrian like most here claim then the Syrian military, with the support of its people, will have no problem defeating an outside enemy like this.

That is a pretty strange claim about claims.

"Most" claim what? Perhaps you could add them up.

It's pretty obvious that there are mainly anti-Assad SYRIAN fighters(with various agenda's) , as there would be in any rebelion against any oppressive regime in the ME--including the oppressive states supported by the West.

It's also clear (not a "claim by most people here") that there are many outside fighters (as well as arms, ied's, etc channeled by the West) flowing into Syria. You don't need to go to a leftist board to find that out for yourself.

I don't know... there's only one person here posting stuff saying it's a civil war and he's being attacked for spreading western propaganda. Most all the other articles posted here tend to insist this is all a western ploy using a proxy army of CIA terrorists forcing revolution on the Syrians. But still, even then, unless the majority of the people support the rebels they can never win no matter what kind of support they get from the west or east or south.

For example: the government forces have the rebels, whom were attacking the capital these past few days, surrounded in the city, If the rebels have the support of the population there they will be able to slip away into the population. If they don't then they will have to fight their way out because people will point them out if they try and blend with the population. So I'm interested in seeing what happens over the next 24 hours in the capital. This could be a good indication as the the direction the situation in Syria is going to go.

Only time will tell if Assad is really doomed or not.

Mon, 2012-07-16 16:57

#66

Fidel

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
If they don't then they will have to fight their way out because people will point them out if they try and blend with the population. So I'm interested in seeing what happens over the next 24 hours in the capital. This could be a good indication as the the direction the situation in Syria is going to go.

Only time will tell if Assad is really doomed or not.

I'm guessing they are in desperate need of air support from the Luftwaffe, like U.S./British/French/Saudi-backed LIFG-Qaeda terrorists were whining incessantly and wringing their hands for in Libya. Their expendable jihadi assets and mercenaries aren't really in it for democracy or any other noble ideas. To be sure they will be well-armed and to the eye teeth, like the Condoms were in Nicaragua and their Al-Qaeda fuck buddies are today.

Mon, 2012-07-16 22:15

#67

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

They will not get air support, they are on thier own.

Tue, 2012-07-17 10:06

#68

NDPP

Scattered Gun Fights Sound 'Battle for Damascus'

http://www.rt.com/news/syria-damascus-shooting-finoshina-367/

"After declaring an all-out offensive on government troops, Free Syrian Army militants are fighting to destabilize the capital Damascus. On Monday, the Free Syrian Army announced a final 'battle for Damascus'..

Mafioso Tactics: Smaller Countries Must Fall When US Says So (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/un-syria-resolution-blackmail-338

"Resorting to blackmail tactics in order to push through a UN resolution allowing the use of external force shows that the US is extremely frustrated that Assad has been able to hold on to power in Syria for so long, activist Brian Becker (ANSWER) told RT.."

US-Led Hostile States Target Assad For Anti-Israel Stance: Analyst (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/251354.html

"Western powers seek the removal of the Syrian government as Damascus will resist NATO, US and Israeli interests in the Middle East as long as President Bashar al Assad is in power says an analyst.."

Tue, 2012-07-17 11:22

#69

NDPP

Tall Tales in Tremseh - by Justin Raimondo

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/07/15/tall-tales-in-tremseh/

"Another day, another Syria atrocity. The propaganda of the rebels, freely broadcast by the US government and its allies, seeks to depict every act of self-defence on the part of the regime as an atrocity. The Syrian 'crisis' - one brought on by the Western powers and their sock-puppets in Qatar and Saudi Arabia - is but a prelude to the main event: the strangulation of Iran, via economic blockade and all-out war.

What is happening in Syria today reflects, in minature, the regime-change crowd's plan for the entire region: unleashing Sunni fanatics in a religious war against all other sects, one that will liquidate the Christians and other minority communities. Expect the Syrian war to escalate - in which case the prospects for war with Iran by election day, November 2012 are a good bet."

'Send This To Assad' (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/gadaffi-new-footage-death-372/

"...Concern has been voiced by the international community that the Syrian conflict will go the same way as Libya.."

'We came, we saw, he died!' - Hillary Clinton on death of Gaddafi

Wed, 2012-07-18 07:11

#70

Caissa

Syrian Defence Minister Daoud Rajiha has been killed in a ssupected suicide bombing at the headquarters of the National Security Bureau in the capital Damascus, Syrian state TV says.

Other senior officials are said to be critically hurt. They were meeting inside the building at the time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18882149

Wed, 2012-07-18 08:37

#71

NDPP

Assad's Brother-in-law and Defense Minister Killed by Suicide Bomber Bodyguard

http://www.rt.com/news/damascus-suicide-government-wounded-458/

"...The bomber worked as a bodyguard for President Bashar Assad's inner circle, Reuters reports sources as saying. It also cites a Facebook statement by Liwa Al Islam, a Syriran rebel Islamist group which has claimed responsibility for the attack. The Free Syrian Army also claimed responsibility for the attack, according to spokesman Qassim Saadedine..."

Russia, China to Veto UN Resolution Against Syria (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/07/18/251473/russia-china-to-veto-ant...

"Russia and China will veto a Western-backed UN Security Council draft resolution that calls for sanctions against Syria..."

Wed, 2012-07-18 09:00

#72

NDPP

Christians Escape Violence of Homs

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christians-escape-violence-of-homs...

"As the conflict in Syria continues without a resolution, and government and rebel forces are locked in fierce battles across several cities, Christians in the besieged city of Homs were evacuated with the help of a priest on Wednesday. Back in February a Christian priest in Homs shared how dire the situation was getting in the city.

'The armed Islamist Opposition in Syria has murdered more than 200 Christians in the city of Homs, including entire families with young children. These Islamic gangs kidnapped Christians and demanded high ransoms. In two cases, after the ransoms were paid, the men's bodies were found,' Barnabas Aid, a charity organization helping persecuted Christians around the world quoted him as saying.

'Christians are being forced to flee the city to the safety of government controlled areas. Muslim rebel fighters and their families are taking over their homes. We need your prayers and we need them urgently,' he added."

Thu, 2012-07-19 10:21

#73

NDPP

Syrian Rebels Attack Gov't HQ: Assad's Whereabouts Unknown

http://www.rt.com/news/damascus-blast-attack-549/

"They Syrian capital is facing the fifth day of violence in a row. On Wednesday a bomb attack inside the national security building killed three senior officials including the country's defense minister. The whereabouts of President Bashar Assad have been unknown ever since the attacks, fueling rumours that he may have been killed by the bombing as well...

'Calls for Assad to Quit Rooted in Hopelessness' - Lavrov

http://rt.com/politics/syria-russia-lavrov-putin-crisis-479

"We see what happened as another attempt to further destabilize the situation in Syria.' Meanwhile, Lavrov reiterated Moscow's firm stance that it would not support sanctions against the Syrian government."

Syria Connects Iran, Resistance: Nasrallah

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/07/19/251701/syria-connects-iran-resi...

Hezbollah's Secretary-General Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah has described Syria as a leading regional military power and a bridge linking Iran to the resistance front, insisting that Damascus now serves as a real threat to the US and the Israeli regime. 'There is a US-Israeli project against Syria,' he stated. 'The US and Israel consider Syria a problem, because Syria is a true supporter of the resistance.' Hezbollah's leader blamed the West for blocking a national dialogue in Syria as well as sponsoring terrorist activities within the country..."

Fri, 2012-07-20 01:56

#74

NDPP

Russia, China Veto Western -Backed Syria Resolution at UN Security Council (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/russia-china-unsc-veto-syria-584

"Russia and China have vetoed a UN Security Council resolution that threatened Syria with more sanctions.."

NATO Death Squads Involved in Syria Bashing: American Author (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/07/19/251671/nato-death-squads-linked...

"An operation of this complexity would be very hard for even al-Qaeda fighters to do. They have got to be essentially guided by maybe French or British or US Special Forces officers..."

Syria Forces Recapture Key Areas Across the Country from Rebels (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/07/20/251796/syria-retakes-key-areas-...

Fri, 2012-07-20 07:56

#75

DaveW

I suspect that all the support above for the Assad regime will come to naught:

the rebels are finally getting the upper hand:

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2012/al-monitor/springtime-in-...

They're calling it "Zero Hour" here in Damascus as the clock on the Assad regime appears to be counting down. The only question on so many lips is when, not if, the 49-year-old Baath regime and its leader of the past 11 years, Bashar al-Assad, will fall. The bomb that exploded during a secret "crisis cell" meeting of the regime's key officials on Wednesday has already wiped out the Syrian’s regime's top military and government brass, ..."

As l write from one of Damascus' most affluent areas, between intermittent power cuts and Internet outages, amid sporadic artillery fire with helicopters whirring in the background, nothing is muted about what is increasingly seen on the streets as Syria's "tipping point." One Syrian l met with was already thanking the FSA for ridding the country of what he described as "the scum of the earth" in Wednesday's bombing, while a local shopkeeper prayed he would wake up in the morning to an Assad-free nation so "the mothers of all those boys who have been ﬁghting so bravely can raise their heads proudly and ﬁnally feel a sense of justice and reason for all they have lost."

.............

Good luck to you.

Fri, 2012-07-20 09:16

#76

DaveW

French ambassador says Assad sees the writing on the wall, ready to leave

(don't bang the door on the way out! ):

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/syrie-lambassadeur-russe-%C3%A0-paris-affirme-quassad-accepte-084903563.htm

hold the applause, this guy would say anything....

Fri, 2012-07-20 11:14

#77

NDPP

Syrian Rebels Seize Multiple Border Checkpoints - Report

http://www.rt.com/news/syria-rebels-capture-border-checkpoints-626/

"Syrian rebels have allegedly captured one of the country's four major border posts with Iraq, killing at least 21 government troops in the process. Meanwhile other reports suggest all border crossings with Iraq may have been comandeered.."

Huge Explosion in Damascus, Wi-Fi and 3G Cut-Off; RT Reporter

http://www.rt.com/news/explosions-damascus-syria-unrest-675/

"A strong blast has occurred in the Syrian capital Damascus, says RT's correspondent on the ground. Internet access has been cut off. According to security sources, the Syrian army has begun a counterattack to regain control of the capital. RT's Maria Finoshina said it was 'the loudest explosion heard in days,' with internet and Wi-Fi access disappearing immediately afterwards..."

Fri, 2012-07-20 11:37

#78

NDPP

Syria: Questions Must be Asked and Answered

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31979

US 'Intelligence Assets' Leading the Syrian 'Opposition'

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31960

Washington's Proxy Terrorist War in Syria

http://wsws.org/articles/2012/jul2012/pers-j20.shtml

"..As the US pursues its neo-colonialist ambitions, the peoples of the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia are being made to pay a blood price for the right of US corporations and bankers to loot the world's resources so that the global super-rich can continue to live their lives in once unimaginable luxury...

The Times reported that 'Pentagon officials were in talks with Israeli defense officials about whether Israel might move to destroy Syrian weapons facilities.."

Fri, 2012-07-20 12:26

#79

Gonzaga

It's likely that ASL and SOHR sources are exaggerating their success in Damascus, while the border stations with Iraq are apparently quite isolated and small. I don't seem to be able to paste in links, so I'll just type in the website www.infosyrie.fr. It's in French.

Sat, 2012-07-21 02:10

#80

NDPP

The Battle Of Damascus Has Begun - Thierry Meyssan

http://www.voltairenet.org/The-battle-of-Damascus-has-begun

"Western and Gulf powers have launched the largest secret war operation since the Contra war in Nigaragua. The Battle of Damascus is not intended to topple President Bashar al Assad, but to fracture the Syrian Army to better ensure the domination of Israel and the US over the Middle East. While the city is bracing for a new assault by foreign mercenaries, Thierry Meyssan takes stock of the situation.."

Video: Thierry Meyssan Speaks About the Unfolding Battle of Damascus (and vid)

"Video recorded in Damascus on July 19, 2012 at 6:00 PM. Click on CC to access the subtitles in English.."

How Leftist 'Anti-Zionists' are Allied with Israel Against Syria - by Mimi Al Laham and Lizzie Phelan

http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.de/2012/07/how-leftist-anti-zionists-are-a...

"...Israel's strongest ally the United States has been pushing for regime change in Syria since before the first sign of insurrection began. Most famously in 2007, General Wesley Clarke, who served as NATO's Supreme Allied Commander between 1997 and 2000, said he had received a memo from the US Secretary of Defense's Office which read the Syrain government would be one of seven governments teh US would destroy in the subsequent five years.

It shouldn't have to be explained to anti-Zionists that US and Israeli foreign policy is one and the same. Syria is a member of the Axis of Resistance, which is the only effective military resistance to Israel left. It is made up of Syria, Iran and the resistance inside Lebanon with Hizbullah at the helm.."

Sat, 2012-07-21 02:46

#81

NDPP

NATO Kill Teams Attempt Assault on Syria - by Webster G Tarpley

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/07/21/251968/nato-kill-teams-attempt-...

"For more than a month, NATO watchers have been aware that the aggressive imperialists of the Atlantic Alliance have been preparing an attack on Syria which they hope, would serve to destroy not just the Ba'ath party government of President Bashar Assad, but also the structures of the Syrian state.."

Israel and Syria

http://aangirfan.blogspot.ca/2012/07/israel-and-syria.html

"Israel appears to be looking for an excuse to invade Syria and attack Hezbollah. Israel is insisting that Hezbollah may have carried out the attack in Bulgaria..'

Sat, 2012-07-21 09:35

#82

NDPP

'Don't Be Duped by Western Humanitarian Rhetoric on Syria: Russia's UN Ambassador (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/syria-russia-diplomacy-resolution-630/

"In an exclusive interview with RT, Vitaly Churkin gave his explanation of what is going on in Syria and why he thinks the conflict has spread beyond that country's borders.."

Sat, 2012-07-21 11:14

#83

NDPP

NATO PsyOp Against Syria Imminent?

http://www.voltairenet.org/NATO-PsyOp-Against-Syria-Imminent

"On Friday, July 20, 2012, around 19:00, signals began to be sent to imbed new channels onto Arabsat and Nilesat. The signals mimic those of Syrian television, duplicating both the graphics and logos. For now, the program presents patriotic clips.."

Israel to Attack Syria if Damascus Gives Hezbollah Weapons: Barak

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/07/21/251963/israel-mulls-attacking-s...

"Israel says it will launch a military operation against Syria if Damascus transfers missiles or chemical weapons to the Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah..'

Sat, 2012-07-21 15:48

#84

Fidel

A Nun from Damascus: "We have no trust in these so-called 'revolutionaries'

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We have no trust in these so-called 'revolutionaries'. Who are the revolutionaries who harm the people? They have corrupted all, Christians and Muslims, many families who have lost everything. "

"In these armed actions and in this suffering - the nun continues - religion has nothing to do with it. With Muslims we have always lived side by side and we will continue to do so. The Syrian government has hitherto been secular, has guaranteed security and stability to Syria . Today we have only chaos, insecurity, and suffering. And what will happen tomorrow?

Sat, 2012-07-21 21:00

#85

NDPP

Like in Libya, Al Qaeda Flags Now Fly in Syria

http://worldmathaba.net/items/1224-like-in-libya-al-qaeda-flags-now-fly-...

"According to reports al Qaeda flags are flying openly in some areas of ldlib and Aleppo, provinces that straddle the border with Turkey and Iraq. The flags are increasingly common in Syria, especially with the influx of new arms and cash in the region. The Daily Telegraph witnessed the black flag used by AQ flying high in several villages and on pick-up trucks of rebel fighters, the article noted.

'The place (Syria) is crawling with al-Qaeda,' said one government official who spoke on the condition his name not be used. 'They are being helped by the CIA and the Americans,' he said. AQ's primary goal in Syria is to oust President Assad, who they consider one of its worst enemies. Their secondary goal is to establish a foothold in the country and see the establishment of an Islamist state or Caliphate in Syria.

Another goal is to draw the United States asnd NATO into another war in Syria, much like it did in Afghanistan.."

Sat, 2012-07-21 21:59

#86

Fidel

Thanks NDPP. Yes, "the base" of expendable jihadi assets again.

Al-Qa'eda = Al-CIA'da

Sun, 2012-07-22 09:47

#87

NDPP

Syria Roulette - by Stephen Lendman

http://warisacrime.org/content/syria-roulette

"Washington's dirty hands are all over Wednesday's attack. Death squad diplomacy is prioritized. Hillary Clinton warned about a price to be paid. Turning Syria into a charnel house is planned. Washington and regional states already supply weapons, other equipment, funding, training and direction. Expect stepped up efforts ahead. Expect daily bloodshed to continue. There's nothing civil about Washington's war on Syria..."

Sun, 2012-07-22 13:28

#88

DaveW

despite the cheerleading above for the Assad clan,

they are going down to the popular rebellion, probably by September, at this rate:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/07/201272118545239117.html

Al Jazeera's Andrew Simmons, reporting from Cilvegozu on the Turkish side of the frontier, said the FSA had established a proper checkpoint, controlling any traffic coming through.

"The Free Syrian Army is in control of the first part of the main road into Syria but the regular Syrian army has some sort of base a few kilometres down the road," he said. "We spoke to Syrians who've been fleeing. They say they passed through two separate control points, one manned by the regular army and one by the FSA."

Simmons said the border was not officially closed, but officials were "discouraging everyone" from crossing. He added that Turks were being turned away from the border, although some Syrian refugees had made it across.

South of Syria, our correspondent Stefanie Dekker, reporting from Ramtha, Jordan, said that the Free Syrian Army also attempted to take control of the Nasib border crossing, but were repelled back by government forces.

Sun, 2012-07-22 14:25

#89

NorthReport

There appears to be a major realignment going on in the Middle East.

And good riddance to the Assads who are nothing but monsters.

The battle for Syria is a battle for the entire Middle East

If Assad falls, the area will lose a brutal dictator and Iran a pivotal ally. It could mark the end of an entire political culture

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/20/battle-syria-battle-...

Sun, 2012-07-22 14:35

#90

kropotkin1951

Yes the only secular states in the area are disappearing and the evil culture they promoted. Good riddance and bring on more religious based nations. A constitution like we gave Afghanistan will really help the people of Syria especially the women who will be given the same rights as their counterparts in Saudi Arabia. Maybe they could do like Israel and have laws for citizens who were born into the Islamic faith that are different than for other religions. That would be a major change in their political culture and more in line with the GOOD countries in the area. Or maybe we can find an old family royalty somewhere to reinstall so they could become like Iran under the Shah, now that was a great country.

Sun, 2012-07-22 14:45

#91

Fidel

Imperialists funding and arming terrorists in Syria should be encouraged by this news report:

[url=http://www.euronews.com/2012/07/22/syria-rebels-claim-border-victory-as-... Rebels claim border victory as al Qaeda reports emerge[/size][/url]

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Syrian rebels have claimed control of a third border crossing with Turkey.

But as amateur video looked to show them celebrating their capture of the Bab al-Salam crossing, reports emerged that al Qaeda militants may increasingly be joining their ranks.

Viva al Gladio!! Viva al CIA'duh!

Never forget.

Sun, 2012-07-22 14:56

#92

DaveW

some possible outcomes:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2012/07/21/gu_Syria-01.jpg

Sun, 2012-07-22 15:09

#93

Fidel

The writing is on the wall. You just have to look at Bosnia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq to know what will become of Syria. Syria will become a base for militant Islam and al CIA'duh terrorists. It's not rocket science.

Sun, 2012-07-22 15:50

#94

NorthReport

Syria after President Assad

All observers accept that the regime will fall. But do Syria's neighbours have the power to create a stable united nation?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/22/syria-after-assad-un...

Sun, 2012-07-22 15:50

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NorthReport

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Sun, 2012-07-22 16:15

#96

contrarianna

DaveW wrote:

despite the cheerleading above for the Assad clan,

Any names for the "cheerleaders of the Assad clan"?

One of the few to cheer for brutal thugocracies is you --so long as they are installed by imperial intervention.

Post #40 and #41 here:
http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/libya-24-aftermath

Sun, 2012-07-22 16:34

#97

contrarianna

Allies once again... no doubt in the interest of "freedom". All the useful idiots of "humanitarian intervention" can once again be proud:

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Islamic fighters flocking to Syria

PATRICK MARTIN
The Globe and Mail
July 20th

In the 1980s, it was Afghanistan to which international Islamic fighters came, helping the mujahedeen successfully take on the Soviet army and its puppet regime in Kabul. Then came Bosnia in the 1990s and Iraq in the 2000s, in both of which veteran jihadists fought a sectarian war on behalf of outgunned Sunni minorities.In 2012, they’re flocking to Syria....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/islamic-fighters-flocking-to-s...

New York Times, July 21:

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Stymied at U.N., U.S. Refines Plan to Remove Assad

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has for now abandoned efforts for a diplomatic settlement to the conflict in Syria, and instead it is increasing aid to the rebels and redoubling efforts to rally a coalition of like-minded countries to forcibly bring down the government of President Bashar al-Assad, American officials say....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/22/world/middleeast/us-to-focus-on-forcib...

Sun, 2012-07-22 16:37

#98

Fidel

NorthReport wrote:

the guardian wrote:

The real question here is whether the US wants a stable and united Syria, even after a long period of transition.

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Where has the U.S. military and CIA ever created a stable and united country?

Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bosnia, Libya, Israel, Palestine, and Iraq stable and united countries?

If the actual U.S. record for destabilizing countries is used as a template for Syria, then you can expect Syria to descend into chaos. That is what the U.S. Government has perpetrated around the world since the 1950's. Destabilization is what they do. While Stalinists worked to separate influence of the mullahs from state power in spice route and stani nations, the CIA and Brits have aided and abetted right wing religious fundamentalists in Central Asia, the "Middle East", and now North Africa. The Gladio nations have been working to destroy secular socialist thought in Asia and Middle East, North Africa etc. This is now part of the historical record. No need to defer to Guardian writers because the writing is on the wall.

Imperialism does not work in united and stable countries. With imperialism the barbarians must be divided and conquered and chaos reigned in. It's what they, the imperialists, are doing in Central Asia since the 1980's, and in Africa and the Middle East today. Where imperialists are concerned, socialist, nationalist, and sovereignty in general represent threats to the freedom of corporations to plunder and corrupt.

Sun, 2012-07-22 16:37

#99

NorthReport

Yea, Syria has been such a paradise for its people under the Assads, eh!

Thank goodness for democracies such as the USA and Israel who hopefully can keep the chemical weapons out of the crazies' hands.

Where is it again that Assad has hidden his money that he stole from his people? How much has he stolen? A billion? More than that?

What wonderful countries are hiding the Assads' ill-gotten gains?

Sun, 2012-07-22 16:55

#100

Fidel

NorthReport wrote:

Yea, Syria has been such a paradise for its people under the Assads, eh!

Let us guess. You sprained your ankle and lay in bed for days and couldn't reach the remote to change channels. And you had no alternative but to listen to CNN and Fox and al Jazeera reports with the volume turned up for hours at a time?

North Report wrote:
Thank goodness for democracies such as the USA and Israel who hopefully can keep the chemical weapons out of the crazies' hands.

Yeah, like Vietnam through to Fallujah.

And I'm afraid the crazies are working to develop the most deadly chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction ever conceived in public-private partnerships between academia and military contractors in the state of California today.

North Report wrote:
Where is it again that Assad has hidden his money that he stole from his people? How much has he stolen? A billion? More than that?

What wonderful countries are hiding the Assads' ill-gotten gains?

If you had a list of the brutal dictators and U.S.-backed war criminals who fled their countries with national booty and welcomed with open arms in the USA, you might be amazed and embarrassed at the same time. Quite a few of them have livied the good life right there in the USA. If they were very concerned about terrorism, the CIA and Brits would storm the beaches of Florida and take out a few of their former partners in crime.

Sun, 2012-07-22 18:16

#101

kropotkin1951

NorthReport wrote:

Thank goodness for democracies such as the USA and Israel who hopefully can keep the chemical weapons out of the crazies' hands.

Chemical weapons, how 1990 of you. Assad the British trained mad eye doctor. He has been stockpiling weapons of mass destruction since he took power.

Speaking of Iraq what do you think of what has happened to it since then? Do you really think that the disaster visited upon the Iraq people and their society was somehow a positive historical event? How can murder on such a scale ever be justified. Better to kill a million innocents than to have a non NATO aligned dictator kill even a thousand of their own people.

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