The War of 1812

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Fidel wrote:

So if the situation is as hopeless as you say it is, why are so many OECD capitalist countries ranking better than Canada on a number of social and economic measures? What do you suggest then if not the NDP in 2015? Personally I think it's a bit late to start another party between now and then.

Rah Rah Go Team Go

Did I get your analysis right?

All parties are Ready Aye Ready to Serve the Imperial Interests 


Really? I guess we aren't supposed to mention the social democracies when raining on the NDP.

And I'll never have any praise for Socreds or the likes of Bill VanderScam. Sorry.

Yes let us return now to the politics of hope for the future here in this progressive forum. 


kropotkin1951 wrote:

Fidel they don't have to invade Canada they already own it and its military. 

Get a sense of humour please or don't respond to jokes and funny videos.

If you had only taken my advice instead of going off on your NDP tangent.  The NDP was not a significant party in Canada in 1812.

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Didn't Harper blame the War of 1812 on the NDP?


Boom Boom wrote:

Didn't Harper blame the War of 1812 on the NDP?



Frmrsldr wrote:

George Victor wrote:

Vimy and the 1812 set to, both. One kept us independent of the land of the free (for for a bit), and the other meant the end to petitioning mother.

I warned that waxing too nostalgic over the War of 1812 could lead to the glorification of war in general. The First World War (any WW I battle will suffice) was the epitome of ultimate senseless murder and waste of life on a mass scale. As the Canadian government had no say over entering the war, it shows that Canada at that time was still a slave colony of Britain.

In World War II, the Hong Kong and Dieppe fiascos were the result of that war criminal WLMK champing at the bit to prove that Canada was a worthy ally to the British and Americans.

Ending war starts with the admission that those who die in them died in vain.

Unless you use war to argue against war, then you fall for the Harper/Con game of getting caught up in the hype of phony and vulger 'wrap yourself up in the flag' nationalism. A bit of which we saw during the Olympic games.

Post of the thread award goes to Former Soldier.

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Forgot about this thread!

Here is an excerpt from a letter written 1 October, 1814 (far as I am unaware not published in any book), Roderick Mackenzie the writer newly arrived from Scotland was staying at Glengarry in what is now Ontario, he was writng to his brother at Pictou, N.S. The cousins he notes as militia officers at Terrebonne (near Montreal) were brothers of the the Donald Mackenzie I earlier noted at Astoria. Skipping family news the letter includes;

"We have a great deal of trouble in this Country since the war commenced the inhabitants of this Province has been rob'd  almost of everything they had by the Enemy they plundered and burnd every thing as far as they went -- We met with a great  loss lately a number of our troops were blown up in storming Fort Erie.  This fort is in this Province but far above this  place the americans got possession of the above fort when our fleet was taken on Fort Erie last year. I hope we will drive  the vagabonds out of it soon.  We are very busy here forwardy ammunition & provision, making roads for the troops. A  battle took place about a fortnight ago on Lake Champlain our fleet were taken very unfortunately.

"It is raining here constantly we had not three dry days since three months every thing rots in the ground, no one ever saw  such harvest. My toes are getting better, I intend to go back to Terrebonne this fall with my cousins. Mr. Roderic is a  Lieut Colonel and Mr. Henry a Major both in the Militia. Its a fortunate thing for you to be in such a quiet place. With  kind regards to my sister & Colin."


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Donald, thanks for this letter! What a find! I think I will start referring to Americans as "vagabonds" forthwith!

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Recently found the woman the letter writer married in 1821, Barbara Mackay, was born in the U.S.A., a "vagabond"! He became a prominant merchant in Montreal, sometimes mistaken in histories for his cousin, Roderick of Terrebonne.