Babble Book Club: Straphanger by Taras Grescoe

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Kaitlin McNabb Kaitlin McNabb's picture

It's official!

Final discussion of Straphanger this Friday April 12 2:00pm EST with special guest Registered Professional Planner and rabble.ca book reviewer Eric Doherty!

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Awesome! Looking forward to it.

Kaitlin McNabb Kaitlin McNabb's picture

Yes! I'm excited to hear what everyone thought of the read.

I found it really interesting and engaging for the most part and liked how many different cities were incorporated, but more so, all the different focuses on types of transit -- bikes, bus, LRT/BRT, subway, walking, and cars. I wasn't expecting so much information on the freeway/interstate system of the US, but was glad it was included.

lagatta

There have been significant improvements to public transport between suburbs in Greater Paris, (and a parallel service on the central city's edge) with the revival of trams in that agglomeration. This has greatly improved the lives of workers, students etc in suburban areas that are most often high or medium density but lacked good transport to other suburbs where people worked or studied, or into or from Paris proper outside rush hours, while many people work outside standard working days nowadays.

We so need at least one tramline parallel to the orange métro line, which is well beyond capacity after the extension to the large suburban city of Laval.

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lagatta wrote:

There have been significant improvements to public transport between suburbs in Greater Paris, (and a parallel service on the central city's edge) with the revival of trams in that agglomeration. This has greatly improved the lives of workers, students etc in suburban areas that are most often high or medium density but lacked good transport to other suburbs where people worked or studied, or into or from Paris proper outside rush hours, while many people work outside standard working days nowadays.

such a smart idea by the transit people there to look at what people need and then give it to them! :)

Paris seems like the ultimate for transpo -- city: covered; suburbs: working on it, getting there -- or at least that is how it was presented, especially in contrast to the other cities.

It kind of seems like the chicken and egg debate -- do you focus on getting people out of there cars and provide more transit from suburb to city, suburb to suburb, or do you first give attention to those who don't want, can't have, cars and give them comprehensive transit.

What part of the problem is tackled first?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

My biggest critique of Grescoe's book is that he treats public transit as an independent, dissociated entity that is a self-justifying good just because it is transit. His class analysis is seriously lacking, let alone labour or feminist inquiries. He gestures occasionally towards race, but even urban planning is barely addressed to the extent I think is necessary. For example, to answer the suburb-to-suburb vs non-car areas, you simply need to look at transit as part of the way we plan and imagine our cities, rather than a deterministic, teleological project that will make cities better simply by virtue of being itself.

He repeatedly refers to high-denisty condos and developments which pop up historically around subway stations, for example, as if their benefit is self-evident. I think Vancouverites who have read the book will have serious criticisms with the way he casually treats gentrification and development--and as much as I love taking the Canada Line to the airport--it is very difficult to say that that project fits the needs of most Vancouverites. I found his endorsement of NY's "Seven-line extension" to be shocking -- as if it doesn't clearly serve the interests of capital before people, and is yet another iteration of the "fat cats get rich while poor stuffed in cattle trains" motif he says is finished.

I realize that his project is to make the case for public transit broadly -- and I am pretty much a straphanger fanatic -- but I'm disappointed with what I perceive to be gaps in his analysis. He works best when he takes on the freeway as a public/private works project and the damage it's done to North American society in particular--because his critical guns are firing full blast -- but it would be nice if he applied that to how transit has been deployed for good and ill. Because the rich don't suddenly work in the people's interest when they agree to build a subway.

More to come -- although I should mitigate the above by voicing my appreciation of the fascinating details about transit systems abroad. As someone who frequently teaches LA novels, I found that chapter super interesting (although I think we share a number of sources!)

lagatta

What are LA novels? Do you mean novels set in Los Angeles, or something else?

Well, the class blindness goes back to Jane Jacobs. This is why I'm so thrilled with the Parisian trams - on travel boards, one hears arch comments like "why would anyone want to go from slum to slum?" (Which is a gross stereotype about working-class suburban towns with a lot of brown and black people). These trams really improve mobility for people living in these densely populated areas, who may well be working in another suburban town rather than Paris proper.

Obviously greater Paris is very far from perfect - the riots breaking out after teens who are usually African (north or west) or other non-pur-porc origins are killed by police, and that take on a more general fed-upness attest to that - but there has been some response to people's needs.

I really must read his book. I'm not really interested in the Interstate except as a negative, but it is important to look at disastrous development as well - disastrous development in cities also includes much of the postwar Urban Renewal that destroyed so many established popular neighbourhoods - in terms not only of architecture, but of human relations, networks for work and support and everything that makes up a life (the horror following Katrina is a far more recent example). Not just in large cities but smaller ones, such as Ybor City in Florida, where Spanish, Italian and Cuban cigar workers with anarchist and socialist backgrounds formed not only trade unions but a host of co-operative societies: a library, clinic, building societies etc. All their built heritage was destroyed by HUD, and of course the remaining veterans of these movements were displaced.

It is ironic that he seems to celebrate Vancouver development, while he also seems very fond of Montréal, which has to a large extent maintained its "vernacular" endless streets of triplexes.

infracaninophile infracaninophile's picture

Final discussion of Straphanger this Friday April 12 2:00pm EST

 

Drat, smack in the middle of the workday. I doubt my employer will give me time off for that, but perhaps I can chip in afterwards.

lagatta

It is a good time for a lot of people who have flexible schedules; I can usually go to events on Friday afternoons as it is rare that clients who contact me on a Friday need work done before Monday morning, and there are many educational institutions where few or no classes are taught on Fridays, but it is hard to find a time that is good for everyone, and of course that is still late morning on the West Coast.

Caissa

I'm in meetins until 3 ADT and have an appointment at 3:30 but should be able to  pop in for the first half hour.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

lagatta wrote:
What are LA novels? Do you mean novels set in Los Angeles, or something else?

Kind of. I usually use it to refer to early c-20 American novels set in LA which deal with familiar themes like broken dreams, social collapse, and torrid love affairs. They often use LA's urban and environmental quirks as allegory: winding, decentred highways and streets, hot Santa Ana winds, unchanging climate, the far frontier and so on. Examples would include Nathaniel West's Day of the Locust, Horace McCoy's They Shoot Horses, Don't They?, anything by Raymond Chandler and my personal favourite, James Cain's The Postman Always Rings Twice.

I also found Grescoe's take on suburbia to be pretty simplistic and a bit outdated. I prefer to live in th city too, but while he takes great pains to point out the socio-economic factors that led to the formation of the suburbs in the first place--and even mentions that now white professionals are returning to the cities while families and workers of colour have to flee out of necessity--but he doesn't turn this into a critique of urbanism or looking at the imaginative ways suburbia is being transformed across America. His conclusion is just: density good, sprawl bad. Not a lot of imagination there.

lagatta

Well, personally I agree with him about that, but I don't necessarily mean Vancouver highrise density, or the even higher crap going up in Toronto. You can't get rid of cars in a low-density setting, unless people are ready to espouse very low-tech life indeed!

Adding several hours later: I finally found the book at a Mtl library. There were several copies in the system (he is a local writer) but almost all had been borrowed. Obviously I won't have time to read the whole thing before tomorrow afternoon.

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Catchfire wrote:

I think Vancouverites who have read the book will have serious criticisms with the way he casually treats gentrification and development--and as much as I love taking the Canada Line to the airport--it is very difficult to say that that project fits the needs of most Vancouverites.

Yes.

That and it is the first time I've heard the B-line praised. Does that come from Vancouverites inability to make up a catchy nickanme like the other cities?

I vote 'death bus'

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lagatta wrote:

Adding several hours later: I finally found the book at a Mtl library. There were several copies in the system (he is a local writer) but almost all had been borrowed. Obviously I won't have time to read the whole thing before tomorrow afternoon.

Ya, he is based in Montreal, from Vancouver I do believe. 

That is too bad that they have all been checked out for so long! There are short samples of the chapters and intros on the harpercollins website, but unforutnately they don't give you the whole thing just a taste.

But come by anyways and add some input -- the topics obviously range beyond ust specifically the book. Should be a good mash up of both sides of the discussion.

And yes, the discussion is in the middle of the afternoon, but some other smart rabble.ca people noticed that for the majority of people, it is a bit easier to sneak onto the computer at that time! So hopefully most can make it, but if not, please feel free to pop on before or after with comments and questions!

lagatta

I imagine you will say what we have to click on?

Think there are far more than two sides to this issue.

lagatta

I imagine you will say what we have to click on?

Think there are far more than two sides to this issue.

Kaitlin McNabb Kaitlin McNabb's picture

Just a side note, it is a little stormy in my area and I might lose power, so if I'm not present during the conversation it is because I have no power.

I've already warned Eric as well.

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lagatta wrote:

I imagine you will say what we have to click on?

Think there are far more than two sides to this issue.

hm? Sorry, I'm lost. What is this referring to?

Caissa

We're supposed to get your storm aroung midnight, Kaitlin.

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Caissa wrote:

We're supposed to get your storm aroung midnight, Kaitlin.

it was bad here in DC in the early morning hours. Lots of thunder and lightening and bad rains. It's tapered a bit, so I don't think I'll lose power. Should be fun on the coast!

Caissa

It's supposed to be snow when it reaches us.

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Caissa wrote:

It's supposed to be snow when it reaches us.

It was actually raining so hard I had to drive my fella to work.

Don't worry, it was done with my ZipCar, and really reaffirmed my hate of driving and just being in cars in general.

lagatta

Well, we have sleety snow, and I had to go into full cookery mode so as not to feel the melanistic wolf of winter depression come on. That and billing clients (which I hate doing, but no other way to get $€, hein?) Caissa, you might get the same sleety snow we have. It is precisely 0c here, so slippery roads (no bicycle for me today - if it had been a bit of straight snow or rain, I'd have run an errand cycling).

Made a variation of a cottage or shepherd's pie with bison, leeks (already seethed) and diced tomatoes (from a tin, and pre-seasoned). Of course more complicated than that, involving a roux made with the brown stuff in the cast-iron pan from cooking minced bison, flour, olive oil and a tbsp of red wine... and a pee wee egg beaten in with the potato mash topping (I'm omitting some details from both layers). Vegetarians can sub lentils for the meat, or something like seitan if you can find it. Lentils will also produce nice brown gunk for the roux...

And grilling some eggplant slices, which I must not forget as I work in my office!

Kaitlin, I thought we'd have to click on a chat function, but see that the chat will be right here on the babble thread.

 

 

derrick derrick's picture

Looking forward to today's discussion with Eric Doherty. Straphanger is a good read -- I've managed to read about 2/3 of it so far -- but it does skim pretty lightly over a lot of important topics. Eric's just the person to add depth. 

lagatta

Well, Grescoe is a very impressionistic writer, which is at once his strength and his shortcoming. I never finished his book on Québec because I thought it lacking in historical depth.

I only had time to skim through the book, although of course I read his final pages on Mtl in detail. Indeed he seems short on the HARM done by gentrification. I'll try to read the Paris and the Toronto chapters before the discussion (focus on cities I'm actually familiar with, having lived in them). Don't think he mentions Rome - a horrific counter-example, despite the city's charms!

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lagatta wrote:

Kaitlin, I thought we'd have to click on a chat function, but see that the chat will be right here on the babble thread.

Oooh!

You are right, the chat is right here. And just another helpful tip (that most probably know) is you have to keep refreshing the page manually in order to see new comments. When you post comments, all the previous and new are loaded, but if you are just viewing the conversation, you will need to do the manual refresh.

 

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lagatta wrote:

Well, Grescoe is a very impressionistic writer, which is at once his strength and his shortcoming. I never finished his book on Québec because I thought it lacking in historical depth.

I only had time to skim through the book, although of course I read his final pages on Mtl in detail. Indeed he seems short on the HARM done by gentrification. I'll try to read the Paris and the Toronto chapters before the discussion (focus on cities I'm actually familiar with, having lived in them). Don't think he mentions Rome - a horrific counter-example, despite the city's charms!

Yes. 

I was very frustrated at the section on Vancouver, and how he would make the large statements about gentrification, and then the next sentence breeze over them and state how awesome the skytrain is.

He did make this statement though:

The various stakeholders in the process don't always see eye to eye. Metro Vancouver, for example, favoured amking the Evergreen Line a surface light-rail line similar to Portland's MAX, but the province opted for a more expensive SkyTrain. "the local municipalities are saying, we didn't agree to this train, and now you're asking us to cough up four hundred million to build it. Dort of like, we asked for the Volkswagen and you went for the Ferrari and you're making us pay for it."

And at one point he notes that though people apparently aspire to Vancouverism, the process is not actually sustainable or affordable. 

EricD EricD's picture

Hi folks!

I just want to prime the discussion with a big picture thought from my review of Straphanger http://www.rabble.ca/books/reviews/2012/06/saving-our-cities-and-ourselves-automobile

Before taking the reader on a journey to 14 cities around the world, Grescoe focuses on where the 90 per cent of oil used for transportation fuel now comes from, expensive and carbon intensive unconventional sources including the tar sands. The focus of the book is how pleasant it can be to live in cities with great transit, but the subtext is that continued automobile dependence is increasing unaffordable for ordinary people and "a recipe for global disaster" due to global warming and ocean acidification. As Grescoe puts it, "If we don't start imagining a future with fewer cars, there might not be much of a future."

See you in 90 minutes

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Catchfire wrote:

I realize that his project is to make the case for public transit broadly -- and I am pretty much a straphanger fanatic -- but I'm disappointed with what I perceive to be gaps in his analysis. He works best when he takes on the freeway as a public/private works project and the damage it's done to North American society in particular--because his critical guns are firing full blast -- but it would be nice if he applied that to how transit has been deployed for good and ill. Because the rich don't suddenly work in the people's interest when they agree to build a subway.

Catchfire, I agree with the points your making -- especially the Vancouver ones. The city I once lived in that I love to hate. :)

BUT as much as us, the BBC readers who are all pretty awesome and transit-minded I think, wanted more analysis and critique on certain areas, I'm wondering if that was sacrificed so the book could reach a larger audience -- specifically the non-transit, non-awesome BBCers.

It makes me think of Paved with Good Intentions, which was so steeped in facts, analysis, criticisms (and cough, terribly organized) that it was alienating to audiences that were completely submersed in the issues.

With this book, it felt more like a love letter to transit and why you should give it a try. I think it was also largely marketed towards an American audience.

So did the book suffer a bit from Grescoe's actual vision because the publishers wanted to make it more reader friendly? Or did Grescoe not consider the aforementioned areas. Based on Grescoe's twitter and other commentary, he seems aware of what we're all saying. I think some of the answers might just go back potentially to what he was allowed to say and what would serve his theses of 'raising kids in the city' the best.

Kaitlin McNabb Kaitlin McNabb's picture

Hi everyone. Conversation with Eric Doherty will begin in two minutes!

I'd like to give a big thanks to Eric for taking this time to join us and provide so in depth knowledge on the issues. As mentioned Eric is a Registered Professional Planner living in Vancouver!

Thanks everyone will get started in a minute!

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Alright we begin!

There has been lots of talk surrounding this book and the issues it presents. 

Where do we think it fails and where do we think it succeeds?

lagatta

Not that I'm opposed to a love letter to public transport; as a dedicated car-hater, any cursory study will show that walkability and cyclability also depend on a proper public transport infrastructure, to travel farther, for those who can't really walk (or adaptations for disabilities) or cycle. Amsterdam's mobility depends as much on his many tram lines as on the famous bicycles, as does Strasbourg's.

But we can't see this in isolation from class relations. In many cities, these also involve race relations - and, well, racism. I'd of course also look at mobility from a woman's viewpoint, especially in terms of perceived safety.

Edited to add: Bonjour de Montréal, Eric!

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awesome points Lagatta, and Catchfire made a few of the same.

Grescoe makes a hat tip to a few of those, but really refrains from diving in -- I'm wondering where his limitations stem from. I wouldn't mind seeing a Straphanger 2 of sorts for people are engaged in the transit situation and would like a further analysis or more solution-based description as opposed to convincing us transit is great.

EricD EricD's picture

One of the big sucesses of this book is contrasting life in freeway / automobile dominated urban areas to walkable transit accessible areas. A fundamental choice we have to make is where to invest our public funds.

One failure is the lack of coverage of the present freeway revolts in Canada, particularly the $3 billion Turcot Interchange project in Grescoe's home city, Montreal.

Caissa

It's been awhile since I read the book.  I'll re-post my comments from March 13, below.

I finished the book about a week ago. I found it a bit of a hard slog until I forced myself to finish it on a vacation day.I felt the book didn't seem to know what it was: part travelogue, part critique and very short on prescription.

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EricD wrote:

One of the big sucesses of this book is contrasting life in freeway / automobile dominated urban areas to walkable transit accessible areas. A fundamental choice we have to make is where to invest our public funds.

One failure is the lack of coverage of the present freeway revolts in Canada, particularly the $3 billion Turcot Interchange project in Grescoe's home city, Montreal.

I thought the incorporation of the freeways/interstates as well as time spent in cars/health-related issues was a very strong point.

Given that the book was a little American focused, I guess it's not surprising that the Montreal revolts were left out. He did give a bit of mention about the Portland revolts and Toronto too.. I believe.

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My favourite section was probably the Coppenhagen, Denmark one.

I thought an interesting point came out of that one, which was people bike and transit there not because of a green initiative or health concerns, but because it is the easiest, fastest way to travel. Grescoe remarks the this kind of eco-initiative health -related promotion is unsustainable and ineffective.

It seems kind of negative, but I don't think promoting transit around environmental effects and health really works. Or it works, but only for a short amount of time.

Do you guys agree? Disagree?

EricD EricD's picture

lagatta wrote:

Edited to add: Bonjour de Montréal, Eric!

 

Lagotta, can you comment on the big transportation controvercies in Montreal now? I am interested in what this book tells us about the plans to spend over $10 billion re-building and expanding the freeway network, and what is missing. There are obviously some big class and race implications to this plan.

lagatta

Indeed - he doesn't discuss either Turcot in southwestern Montréal or the proposed Notre-Dame "boulevard" in southeastern Montréal, which looks like a reprise of the Décarie expressway disaster that destroyed entire working-class immigrant neighbourhoods in NDG and CDN.

Or the lack of funding that meant the Blue line (which runs roughly east-west through central-northern Mtl) has never reached the highly populated districts of Saint-Léonard, Ville d'Anjou or Montréal-Nord (where riots broke out a few years back after a police "bavure" killed and injured local youths of colour, in an isolated working-class immigrant neighbourhood). While these grew out of villages that are as much as 200 years old, perhaps more, most of their growth was postwar. Still, they are mostly multifamily housing, and the density is certainly high enough for a public transport mode with a carrying capacity greater than buses.

The part of Montréal he describes is well served by the métro (though it is a few blocks away in either direction) and frequent bus lines, and is easily cyclable into the city centre.

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Catchfire wrote:

He repeatedly refers to high-denisty condos and developments which pop up historically around subway stations, for example, as if their benefit is self-evident. I think Vancouverites who have read the book will have serious criticisms with the way he casually treats gentrification and development--and as much as I love taking the Canada Line to the airport--it is very difficult to say that that project fits the needs of most Vancouverites. I found his endorsement of NY's "Seven-line extension" to be shocking -- as if it doesn't clearly serve the interests of capital before people, and is yet another iteration of the "fat cats get rich while poor stuffed in cattle trains" motif he says is finished.

I realize that his project is to make the case for public transit broadly -- and I am pretty much a straphanger fanatic -- but I'm disappointed with what I perceive to be gaps in his analysis. He works best when he takes on the freeway as a public/private works project and the damage it's done to North American society in particular--because his critical guns are firing full blast -- but it would be nice if he applied that to how transit has been deployed for good and ill. Because the rich don't suddenly work in the people's interest when they agree to build a subway.

I'm gonna repost Catchfire's comments here in reference to the Montreal highways, and more specifically the line "the rich don't suddenly work in the people's interest when they agree to build a subway" and I think Vancouver is a major example of that.

EricD EricD's picture

Kaitlin McNabb wrote:

It seems kind of negative, but I don't think promoting transit around environmental effects and health really works. Or it works, but only for a short amount of time.

Do you guys agree? Disagree?

I have to disagree on this one, given the present climate crisis. It took big sections of NY being submerged, but the climate crisis is now a very potent issue with the potential to put thousands into the streets participating in direct action. We face a dichotomy, a fossil fueled future characterized by urban freeway expansion and a low-carbon future characterised by electric public transit. Freeway construction is a great target for pro-transit climate related direct action, because it takes place in urban areas. (I participated in a 13 day freeway construction site occupation in North Delta (Metro Vancouver) - we didnt stop the direct target South Fraser Perimer Road but stopped the North Fraser Perimeter Road.)

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Thanks for that, Kaitlin. I'm here from the CUPE BC convention floor and will try to do my best to keep up with the discussions n

lagatta

Kaitlin, to a large extent I agree with Grescoe about how to promote utilitarian cycling, though of course he took these ideas from urban planner Jan Gehl and associates in Copenhagen, and perhaps the popular Copenhagenize and Copenhagen Cycle Chic blogs.

Cycling has to be the best alternative for people to keep doing it on days like today! (it is snowing today in Montréal, and the weather in Copenhagen is just as shitty right now, if you look at the Copenhagen cycling blogs). Do remember that Scandinavian cities PLOUGH their cycle paths though!

However, environmental and safety issues played a very big role in reviving the bicycle, which was losing ground to cars in the postwar period, from about the 1960s (remember that due to war devastation, this started a bit later there than in North America, as they had to clear rubble before rebuilding). There was a very large and concerted campaign in the Netherlands, "stop the child murders", against the upswing in road deaths in those years, especially among children.

Here in Montréal, some of us (yep, including myself, if I do say so) mobilized in Le Monde à bicyclette for reasons of environmental, safety and urbanistic convictions, and well, because we liked to ride our bicycles, as in the Queen song... And we did win bicycle paths and other infrastructure, though not nearly as much as we would have liked to achieve.

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EricD wrote:

Kaitlin McNabb wrote:

It seems kind of negative, but I don't think promoting transit around environmental effects and health really works. Or it works, but only for a short amount of time.

Do you guys agree? Disagree?

I have to disagree on this one, given the present climate crisis. It took big sections of NY being submerged, but the climate crisis is now a very potent issue with the potential to put thousands into the streets participating in direct action. We face a dichotomy, a fossil fueled future characterized by urban freeway expansion and a low-carbon future characterised by electric public transit. Freeway construction is a great target for pro-transit climate related direct action, because it takes place in urban areas. (I participated in a 13 day freeway construction site occupation in North Delta (Metro Vancouver) - we didnt stop the direct target South Fraser Perimer Road but stopped the North Fraser Perimeter Road.)

But doesn't the overlooked planning priniciples highlight this fact?

People will only really stop driving cars downtown if there is no parking or parking is super expensive. 

People will ride their bikes on bike lanes when they are draw through places they want to go not around them adding 15-20mins to the time.

I transit because I love it, and also because I hate driving. But for example, today was raining so hard, and the metro is a 15 walk away, I drove my husband or else his suit and shoes would have been soaked.

lagatta

Eric, I agree that Sandy, as it hit one of the most important centres in the capitalist world, has been a tipping point.

Unlike Katrina, which hit picturesque but deprived New Orleans, and was mainly an opportunity for "disaster capitalism", as Naomi Klein put it.

Freeways OUTSIDE Montréal are causing huge problems, as no matter how walking and cycling-friendly we make our central city, it is ringed with cancerous carcentric sprawl. Local media are discussing the growth in the number of cars in Greater Montréal being twice the growth in population - almost all of this is from the "Third Crown" of bedroom communities farther out than the older large suburbs such as Laval and Longueuil, north and south of our island.

derrick derrick's picture

Eric, 

The book opens with a quote from Margaret Thatcher about how anyone over 26 still riding the bus is a loser. But from what I've read the cultural peer pressure and aspirational pathologies of our society weren't explored in much depth in the book -- though he does hold out some hope that young people wanting hands free to text would boost transit riderships. Do you know of examples of educational campaigns, or cultural efforts, to serious tackle this 'car culture' in North America, and the various ways young people have these toxic 'values' driven into them. (pun unintentional) 

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I think it's fair to say that Grescoe wasn't writing a deep critique of transit and its more of a "love letter"--but that doesn't stop him from making political statements about eliminating jobs through automized systems, encouraging certain privatization measures, and dismissing the concerns I low-income groups (like his glib dismissal of the LA bus riders union).

So yes, he wanted to reach a wide audience, but that doesn't need to come at the expense of grounding it in solid progressive politics.

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Okay, okay. :)

I'm not saying the benefits of transits are number one for the climate, but I'm saying that changing people has to incorporate many different factors. We aren't gonna get people in Port Moody, BC to take transit if it is an hour and half walk down a mountain to the West Coast express that only run twice a day and is super expensive. It needs to be more developed and interconnected.

[that story was brought to you by experience]

But let's talk Climate stuff. Eric, you talked in your review that the book falls a little short discussing the bigger picture, which is climate crises. What specifically would you have wanted to see addressed?

What are the issues, what needs to be done, what can be done. 

EricD EricD's picture

Kaitlin McNabb wrote:

 

I'm gonna repost Catchfire's comments here in reference to the Montreal highways, and more specifically the line "the rich don't suddenly work in the people's interest when they agree to build a subway" and I think Vancouver is a major example of that.

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Very true. And I think it is quite interesting that freeway builders also tend to like subways. One of the main reasons for buiding subways rather than surface rapid transit is to get transit out of the way of the private automobile. Certain powerful developers want to sell high-end condos along the Broadway corridor in Vancouver, therefore they want a subway rather than a much more cost effective surface light rail or bus rapid transit line. Basically, the subway is largely about preserving space for the 1%'s Range Rovers.

PS - I don't think trolley buses and bus rapid transit gets enough serious consideration in Canada - http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/commentary/humble-trolley-bus-...?

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lagatta wrote:

Eric, I agree that Sandy, as it hit one of the most important centres in the capitalist world, has been a tipping point.

Unlike Katrina, which hit picturesque but deprived New Orleans, and was mainly an opportunity for "disaster capitalism", as Naomi Klein put it.

That's a really interesting point to make Lagatta.

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