Anybody think THIS could happen?

Trudeau tweeted congratulations for Clark's win, calling it a win for the middle class. So, yeah, I think that "could" "happen."

As an aside, a friend of mine overheard a young person remark in a bar after the BC Liberals' win say: "I thought I was voting for Justin Trudeau."

God have mercy on us all.

Catchfire wrote:

Trudeau tweeted congratulations for Clark's win, calling it a win for the middle class. So, yeah, I think that "could" "happen." As an aside, a friend of mine overheard a young person remark in a bar after the BC Liberals' win say: "I thought I was voting for Justin Trudeau." God have mercy on us all.

That sound you hear is my banging my head against the wall and denting it.

Remember that Justin is the grandson of James Sinclair, who was a right-wing BC Liberal Minister of Fisheries and later President and Chairman of Lafarge Cement, and of Charles Trudeau, a millionaire businessman. 

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Trudeau inherited wealth, over a million bucks, and is manor born. He can be a man of leisure. He didn't have to work full time, and was substitute teacher. 

If this doesn't qualify as middle class, I would like to know what does.

He put a mixing bowl worth $300 on his wedding gift registry. It's like you're saying the middle class doesn't need something to put their popcorn in.

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And then, a few months after getting elected, Justin would celebrate the 45th anniversary of the October Crisis by implementing the War Measures Act all over again.

The War Measures Act no longer exists (at least not in its original form). It was replealed by the Mulroney government in 1988 and is now called the Emergencies Act. It differs from the War Measure Act in two ways; one is that a state of war or "apprehended insurrection" declaration has to go through Parliament and the other is that any temporary laws made under the act are stil subject to the Charter. In practical terms though, I wonder if it would make any real difference if it were to be proclaimed anytime in the future; and by that I mean would there be less of the excesses and abuses than there were under the WMA.

janfromthebruce wrote:

Ken, Trudeau has already signalled that he is on the right - he publically stated he supported the kinder morgan pipeline and other right leaning stuff like the Nexen deal with the Chinese, the treaty with the Chinese. His party also voted against the NDPs environmental motion.

haven't heard a thing from kinder morgan here in Valemount until now the election is over. all of as sudden there's a public hearing on may 28th at  The Best Western conference room. they're looking for service club and business support for the twinning 'cause the pipeline goes right through here.

interesting they're holding it at the Best Western on a couple of fronts. the community hall is larger and more accessable for the community to participate and its where community info sessions usually happen... but don't think the community at large is invited.....and secondly the manager of the Best Western is a village councillor.....guess this shows where the divide is, or not????

Catchfire wrote:

I think irony generates rather than occludes meaning. It's not for evveryone, but neither am I, as it turns out. I think that any time you take Trudeau seriously, you particpate in the myth that is currently propping him up. That's why kids are writing Harper about bullying: because his wealth and privilege are rendered invisible rather than held up as natural defences to bullying. We should point out the power dynamic every chance we get -- this guy thinks that a $300 bowl is an appropriate item for a middle-class family to have. That's the unironic truth of the matter. Irony is the trick that makes you--imo--question that belief.

I agree, irony is by far the best tool for skewering the privileged. I rarely attempt it in public because it is quite difficult to get right, and I am vain. But your little capsule of just how middle class Justin truly is was very well done. I enjoyed it, please don't stop being satirically ironic.

Agree with catchfire about irony. In fact, it might be the only effective weapon we have against privileged interests, who have convinced everyone that they are very serious about very serious issues, and the rest of us aren't.

Do you have a link to JT's wedding registry Catchfire?  

Arthur > JT was not married when he lived and worked in BC - which was sometime in the 90s.  From what I have read, his wife was a Quebec television personality.   

I think the Liberals will campaign to the centre-right on a platform of fiscal responsiblity and accountability with a social conscience.  The BC election results demonstrate that voters will not go for the left.  If Canadians are sufficiently sick of Harper and have had enough time to get over the Sponsorship Scandal, it may work.  If not, we are in for four more years of Harper.  The NDP must try very hard to hang onto Quebec and to remind Canadians that the Liberals are entitled etc. or they will be back to third party status.  

One lesson from BC is that people are not voting.  The voter turnout was abysmal.  The NDP has more challenges with voter turnout than the other two parties.  The Conservatives have the most reliable base. The NDP needs to develop ways to convert intended votes into actual votes.  The Liberals need to try to get some of their old supporters back from the other two parties.   They also need to convert intended votes into actual votes.

OK, so is it all right that they congratulted her? I thought there was no connection between the Fed Libs and BC Libs. If BC Libs are Tories, then why would they cheer her? I mean Tom Mulcair did't tweet congratulations, let's work together. Is this just pandering?

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The BC Liberals are a coalition of federal Conservatives and Liberals currently being led by someone from the Liberal side of the coalition. 

Nathan Cullen talked about us doing this. He tried to wake us up to a political reality. At the Toronto debate, people actually booed him when he tried to steer the conversation toward the topic of establishing practical alliances.

The Tories took their lumps, worked with Liberals and now will exert a real force in the way BC is governed.

NDP people have got to get past this idea that we can go it alone. It's not working.

Someone here should research and write a bio about Justin that exposes all of this. Only has to be about 50 pages (in small format would come to a hundred). This is the kind of book I used to publish. You might not need to even publish it-- just release it online. It would be a good starting place to have a look at the minimum qualifications for PM.

The book should consider his history, policies such as they are, pronouncements, what people have noticed etc. It should be done accurately (not a hatchet job) but ask the question is this what people really want? One title option could be: The People's Pedigree: what does it take to become PM? It could include streeter interviews with Canadians asking those who support Trudeau why-- what it is that make them want him. Is it becuase he is not Harper? A son of the old emperor? That they think he could relate to them? Ask them what they think he will do (contrast that with what he has said to support or contradict that).

Maybe I should consider doing this but I have the problem of needing to pay bills so I'd have to find out how I could derive some income for the time...

But, if this is to be done and sold there are two important things about the project-- it needs to be accessible none of this $39.95 big tome hardback stuff. It would need to be short, cheap and widely available.

Alternately the NDP could commission something like this-- look at the backgrounds of the three leaders vying for PM and contrast them examining experience, qualifications, loyalties, policies. The party could make this into a 48 page booklet that is widely shared and the source material for social media like youtube and ads. This could be the "bible" of the leadership question for the next couple years. It could, and should openly question if Harper will lead the Conservatives while looking at the culture of what could be the source for his replacement-- so that if Harper did go the book would remain current. Done stapleback, the party could afford to give thousands away and barely dent the cost of a single TV ad. It would get more secondary publicity than any ad and mark the party as one of substance.

At the same time the party should prepare a book of policies and principles for the leadership of Canada. This would be released just prior to the campaign and include key elements of what would become NDP policy. It is something like this that could take back the agenda. This latter book (under 100 pages) should be the product of obvious consultation-- the party must hold events to inform it.

If you want the agenda and the role of leadership back-- you have to take it. The party must understand you do not win by default.

Even Wynn is not Wynn. The only reason why shes playing nice to the NDP is the PCs have declared publically they wont so theres no wiggle room there. Im sure she would much rather play nice with the PCs.

Tho the NDP has better policies she can steal and call her own for the next election, like has happened to all the NDP coalitions in the past