Quebec polls and parties 2014

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Mon, 2014-01-20 11:01

DaveW

As this thread (below) which I started has served its purpose, and the title has become flatly misleading,

http://rabble.ca/babble/qu%C3%A9bec/la-presse-liberals-maintain-lead-40-...

... best to start a new Quebec polls and elections thread for 2014:

The big news today is that a Leger poll shows the PQ with a slight lead for the first time in over a year. At the start of the above thread, posted August 2013, Philippe Couillard had a new-leader bounce and the provincial Liberals reached 40 per cent, majority territory; that was not going to last.

This morning's poll in the Journal de Montreal (limited view) by Leger has PQ at 36-Libs 33. This would at least temporarily put PQ in majority (63 seats) territory.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/01/20/le-parti-quebecois-en-terrai...

But of course as recently as early December, a CROP poll projected the PLQ clearly heading to a majority by most variants. So the numbers are, as they say, dynamic. Personally, I will co0ntinue to project a Liberal minority. Their numbers are usually more discreet and often undercounted.

Mon, 2014-01-20 12:14

DaveW

the Globe's take :

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/pqs-popularity-jumps-within...

Léger says that, after an allocation of undecided voters, the PQ now has the backing of 43 per cent of the key francophone electorate, just enough to win a slim majority.

Over all, the PQ has 36 per cent support, up from 32 per cent in December.

The PQ lead is particularly marked in the seat-rich, mostly French-speaking areas outside Montreal and Quebec City, where 44 per cent of respondents would vote for the separatist party, against 27 per cent for the Liberals.

The PQ’s improving fortunes coincide with rising support for its controversial Charter of Values, which is more popular among francophones in rural regions despite concerns about its impact on minority rights.

Mon, 2014-01-20 19:57

cco

Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the charter thread, but the PLQ finally lost/expelled Fatima Houda-Pépin today, depending on which account you believe. Couillard had a press conference at which he (seriously) compared himself to Martin Luther King.

Wed, 2014-01-22 10:06

DaveW

an unexpected twist, with Marois getting named as a corrupt union contact:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/tried+prevent+Charbonneau+inquiry/9412393/story.html

In a police wiretap recording from April of that year, Arsenault references a "deal with (Claude) Blanchet" — the husband of Quebec Premier Pauline Marois. The bottom line, Arsenault explains on the tape, is that the PQ "won't touch" the debate surrounding a possible inquiry. The then-Liberal government was reportedly considering a public probe in the wake of revelations about possible ties to organized crime within the FTQ, but there was little pressure from the opposition PQ to follow through. That apparently suited Arsenault just fine.

"We'll talk to Pauline," he adds on the recording.

Lavallée also makes mention of "our friends within the PQ" during the conversation.

Wed, 2014-01-22 11:29

Bärlüer

DaveW wrote:

an unexpected twist, with Marois getting named as a corrupt union contact:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/tried+prevent+Charbonneau+inquiry/9412393/story.html

In a police wiretap recording from April of that year, Arsenault references a "deal with (Claude) Blanchet" — the husband of Quebec Premier Pauline Marois. The bottom line, Arsenault explains on the tape, is that the PQ "won't touch" the debate surrounding a possible inquiry. The then-Liberal government was reportedly considering a public probe in the wake of revelations about possible ties to organized crime within the FTQ, but there was little pressure from the opposition PQ to follow through. That apparently suited Arsenault just fine.

"We'll talk to Pauline," he adds on the recording.

Lavallée also makes mention of "our friends within the PQ" during the conversation.

Not to come to the resue of the PQ, because I couldn't care less about their political fate, but this makes no sense.

So, the argument appears to be that the Liberals really really wanted to do a public inquiry, but, you know, the PQ just wasn't forceful enough to pressure them into doing what they wanted to do but did not do?

And when the PQ did start to ask for a public inquiry, day after day, and the Liberals were replying that it wasn't necessary, day after day (but they really wanted to do it, in their deepest being...), that was the PQ's fault too?

Wed, 2014-01-22 11:58

DaveW

uh, way too complicated:

Marois probably too close to corrupt union types. Period.

Thu, 2014-01-23 15:32

DaveW

the best QC poll analysis is usually in the 308 site,

and they see a very tight race, with the PQ at the moment very slightly in the lead 35-34:

http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/quebec.html

The regional divide here is clear: 60% of the PQ's seats come outside of the two metropolitan regions (though the party does win most of the ridings around the island of Montreal). The Liberals win just over 60% of their seats in the Montreal region, while the CAQ is reduced to their base around Quebec City.

Leadership seems to be an important driver in this swap between the PQ and Liberals. Marois picked up six points since December to be the choice for premier of 27% of respondents, while Philippe Couillard fell four points to 20% (he has dropped 10 points since June, and was the choice of only 63% of Liberal voters). This makes Marois a bit of a drag on her party (which had 32% support among all respondents, including undecideds) but Couillard a much more significant one as the Liberals had 28% support among all respondents. François Legault (the choice of 13%) and Françoise David (8%) do not have this issue. They are polling at about the same levels as their parties.

Couillard's numbers compare poorly to Marois on Léger's "satisfaction" question (more or less an approval rating). Couillard was at 30% approval to 51% disapproval, a net -21. Marois, on the other hand, had 39% approval to 54% disapproval, for a net score of -15. That was better than Legault's net -18 (30% approval to 48% disapproval), while David had the best overall numbers (34% approval and disapproval).

Satisfaction with the government was up five points to 38%, while dissatisfaction dropped six points to 56%. Support for sovereignty stood at 37% among all respondents, or 42% to 43% among decided respondents. That is up three or four points since December.

The parties are effectively carving out their issues among the electorate. When asked what would be the decisive issue for them in an upcoming election, 23% of respondents said healthcare, 16% said jobs, 11% said the deficit and the debt, and 10% said the values charter. Healthcare was a top issue for supporters of all parties, but the second most important issue was jobs among Liberals, the debt/deficit among Caquistes, and the charter among PQ supporters. That lines up very closely to the major issues being pushed by each party (QS supporters identified education and the environment as their top issues after healthcare).

Thu, 2014-01-23 15:44

DaveW

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201401/21/01-4731089-sondage-le-pq-serait-reelu-pres-de-la-majorite.php

La Presse story notes QSolidaire votes migrating to PQ and CAQ to Liberals, so nothing stable yet ...

Fri, 2014-01-24 16:31

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Sad to hear about QS...They deserve better....But I bet you that 90% of Quebeckers have no clue about their platform...QS is the only party that would work hard for the interests of ALL Quebeckers.

Tue, 2014-01-28 13:19

#10

cco

Couillard recasts his image in Lac-St-Jean

Quote:
And saying he is more in touch with what Quebecers want, Couillard said a Liberal government would keep the crucifix in the assembly where it now hangs over the Speaker’s chair.
“Contrary to the PQ, we don’t want to erase religion from society,” Couillard said. “We think that it is important for many Quebecers and this symbol is very important for us as Quebecers.

“It doesn’t mean that we are trying to convert people to Catholicism,” he added. “Nobody seriously believes that. It doesn’t mean, of course, that we have a religious state in Quebec. But it is important and Quebecers have told me that many times.”

Henri-François Gautrin, Liberal MNA for Verdun, said he sees no contradiction between the principle that Quebec is a secular state and the continued presence of the crucifix.

“It is purely heritage, not religion,” Gautrin said.

In an apparent bid to boost the Liberal brand in Quebec’s more-conservative regions, Couillard called on Marois to say where she stands on keeping the crucifix.

Yes, please, Pauline: Let's hear where you stand.

Tue, 2014-01-28 17:30

#11

DaveW

the report in The Gazette this morning said Couillard was re-emphasizing campaign issues such as the budget, economy, deficit etc etc. Polls show these bread and butter issues are 2-3 times as important to Quebecers as charter morass.

BUT,

as cco demonstrates above, the issue that glues people to the screen remains reasonable accommodation -- despite the cold, the fires and trainwrecks, the sinking Habs, the cold again, Bombardier, the Champlain bridge, the Turcot, CHUM, the construction hearings , Celine Dion, you name it....

Thu, 2014-02-06 17:27

#12

DaveW

latest serious numbers at 308 remain neck and neck, 35-34 PQ,

which for me is narrowly Liberal in total seats, as they usually underpoll (308 site had them at 33 seats in 2012; they got over 50):

http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/quebec.html

detailed ongoing polling gives Libs a slight edge, I think:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p5Ytzo6W5qs/Ut_Sl_A26kI/AAAAAAAARYo/O5NtO8kTcS...

Fri, 2014-02-07 17:11

#13

DaveW

Hebert idea needs to be fleshed out a bit, but yes, sovereignty is not a plus,

and anything can happen in this neck-and-neck polling environment :

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/02/07/sovereignty_issue_a_barrier_to_pq_quest_for_majority_hbert.html#

When all is said and done the notion that a PQ majority could pave the way to a resumption of the debate over Quebec’s future remains a major roadblock standing between Marois and the majority she covets.

On that score her promise of a white paper was more defensive than proactive. It amounts to an attempt to avoid placing a referendum squarely in the window of a majority mandate without demobilizing the sovereigntist base of the party.

But at the end of the day the PQ’s referendum agenda remains the elephant in the election room and the greater the odds of a Marois majority, the bigger that elephant stands to become — to the point of potentially offsetting some of the benefits to the PQ of its secularism charter.

Fri, 2014-02-07 19:11

#14

David Young

I'm curious as to how the prospects are for Q.S. to make any gains should there be an election called.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a political party has to have four seats in the Quebec Legislature to be an 'official' party, with access to staff resources that a party with less than four does not receive.

Fri, 2014-02-07 23:06

#15

Unionist

David Young wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a political party has to have four seats in the Quebec Legislature to be an 'official' party, with access to staff resources that a party with less than four does not receive.

For a party to be recognized as a "groupe parliamentaire", it needs at least: (a) 12 seats, OR (b) 20% of the vote. Source: Section 13 of the [url=http://www.assnat.qc.ca/fr/document/14803.html]Rules of Procedure[/url] of the National Assembly (it's a pdf and it's in French).

Tue, 2014-02-11 11:48

#16

DaveW

Parizeau back at it, pissing in Pauline's garden:

just when PQ wants to focus on other things, J.P. writes a front-pager saying QC economy terrible and in decline long-term:

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/02/09/le-quebec-vit-il-au-dessus-d...

by contrast, short-term situation not quite so bad:

QC created over 40 percent of new jobs in Canada in January, which PQ will trumpet:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Bryan+Jobs+numbers+rebound+could...

Quebec enjoyed a particularly good month, gaining 12,700 new positions, or just about double Ontario’s 6,000, Alberta’s 6,600 and British Columbia’s 7,100. But it’s not clear if Quebec can outperform the other big provinces in the longer run.

Looking back over the past year, Quebec’s employment gains have actually been weak, causing the provincial unemployment rate to rise, even after a big improvement in January. Quebec sits at 7.5 per cent today, up from 7.1 per cent a year earlier. Ontario unemployment, also 7.5 per cent today, is down one tenth of a point over the year. Both the big Western provinces have edged up one tenth in this period, but started much lower and remain low: 6.4 per cent in B.C. and 4.6 per cent in Alberta.

Fri, 2014-02-21 15:08

#17

DaveW

the big poll of the moment>

http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/quebec.html

my question,

is the PQ lead actually more secure than the NDP in BC in fall 2013?

Sat, 2014-02-22 20:30

#18

lagatta

Rightwing scum. I was going to say "bitch", though I suppose that is sexist, little as I care about whether I'm being sexist to that carsucking @#$%?&.? That piece of polluting shit was whining about whether she could drive a car to le Théâtre du nouveau monde or La Baie, which are both right over métro stations.

Did she really write "center" in American? She really is ruling-class sewage, like Alain Dubuc.

Sat, 2014-02-22 20:43

#19

DaveW

Don't shoot the messenger, at first I thought you were talking about Marois

And the spelling is Google translate's

Sat, 2014-02-22 21:33

#20

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

You can't call her a bitch because she's lower than a dog.(shit)

Sat, 2014-02-22 21:44

#21

DaveW

Very interesting column by Lysiane in La Presse today, points out steady shift in 2013-14 to PQ, due not so much to draft charter as to "recentring" politically -- PQ turning away from green and student allies in mid 2013 to focus on suburban and middle-class francophone economic issues in 2013-14:

*weirdly, text may appear as google translated at La Presse site:

http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/chroniques/lysiane-gagnon/201402/21/01-474...

The reason for this advance, surprising when we remember the confusion of the same government one year ago, is due mainly to the fact that after a long period where she seemed unsure of herself, Pauline Marois - almost the only one with experience in her government team of neophytes - finally played her cards well.

Last year, under the influence of the left wing and in the wake of its absurd participation with the red square protesters, the government seemed obsessed with the desire to play on Québec Solidaire territory, which threatened the PQ in two or three districts of Montreal.

Since then, the government has finally realized what was obvious, that elections are won in the center, and that their real enemy was the Coalition Avenir Québec.

Thu, 2014-02-27 10:47

#22

cco

Verdun MNA to be forced out

Tue, 2014-03-04 10:07

#23

DaveW

left-wing activists call for QSolidaire and Option nationale to fully collaborate;

won't happen, but worth noting, esp. in those 4-5 ridings where they each take votes from the PQ:

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/401442/appel-a-un-rapprochement-entre-option-nationale-et-quebec-solidaire

Une trentaine de personnalités, parmi lesquelles figurent la comédienne Geneviève Rochette, la réalisatrice Anaïs Barbeau-Lavalette et l’humoriste Kim Lizotte, ont signé une lettre appelant les deux formations rivales à se rapprocher. Le parti d’Amir Khadir et de Françoise David (qui a remporté 6,03 % des voix au scrutin de 2012) et l’ancienne formation de Jean-Martin Aussant (1,89 % en 2012) ont intérêt à travailler ensemble plutôt que de se marginaliser, fait valoir la lettre mise en ligne vendredi soir.

« Les membres de QS invitent leur parti à s’affirmer de manière déterminée en faveur de l’indépendance et ceux d’ON affirment que si tel devenait le cas, une fusion avec Québec solidaire serait réaliste et nécessaire », a indiqué au Devoir la comédienne Catherine Dorion, militante d’ON, qui est une des initiatrices de cette tentative de créer des liens.

« Même si les conditions d’un rapprochement significatif ne sont pas encore réunies, nous risquons de rencontrer tôt ou tard une exigence morale ou politique de travailler ensemble », écrivent les signataires.

Tue, 2014-03-04 13:29

#24

lagatta

Yes, but unfortunately that article is behind Le Devoir's subscription wall.

Tue, 2014-03-04 13:41

#25

Unionist

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/presidential+candidate+union+Qu%... presidential candidate, union rep to run for Québec solidaire[/url]

Quote:

[Claude] Généreux has been involved with the Quebec arm of the Canadian Union of Public Employees for more than two decades and was among the candidates running to replace former FTQ president Michel Arsenault last fall. He pulled out of the race in late November.

The longtime union rep was among five new candidates unveiled by Québec solidaire on Monday. The others included union lawyer Annick Desjardins (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce), physical education teacher and former union representative Jean Trudelle (Rosemont), master's student Rosa Pires (Verdun) and Université de Laval professor Yv Bonnier-Vigier (Lévis).

Three of the five have close ties to the labour movement, something that David said was very intentional.

"It indicates where Québec solidaire stands ... on the side of workers," she explained, adding that "these are not celebrity candidates" but experienced people who are well-known within their respective fields.

Tue, 2014-03-04 13:58

#26

DaveW

also, some leftward movement from PQ:

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/401653/une-candidate-fait-le-saut-chez-qs-en-denoncant-le-neo-conservatisme-du-pq

L’ex-candidat à la présidence de la FTQ Claude Généreux sera aussi candidat pour QS.

La candidate de Québec solidaire Rosa Pires appelle les électeurs progressistes à se méfier du Parti québécois, où une « clique "...

Tue, 2014-03-04 14:09

#27

DaveW

CAQ, not dead yet:

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/03/04/la-caq-devoile-son-slogan--o...

À défaut d’annoncer de nouveaux candidats vedettes, le chef caquiste va donc miser sur sa notoriété. «Je mets ma crédibilité dans la balance et j’offre aux Québécois dix années de ma vie», a-t-il déclaré, posant en défenseur des contribuables. Le Québec, dit-il, a besoin d’un «remède de cheval» et d’un «virage» sans quoi il se dirige tout droit «dans le mur».

«Moi, j’ai déjà eu des périodes difficiles chez Air Transat où j’ai dû faire des plans de redressement; le Québec a besoin d’un plan de redressement et a besoin de se donner Legault. On a besoin de quelqu’un qui sait bien gérer, quelqu’un qui a déjà créé des emploi», a-t-il fait valoir.

Questionné sur la profondeur de son équipe, M. Legault a répondu que son parti compte déjà dans ses rangs plusieurs vedettes, évoquant les ex-adéquistes Gérard Deltell, Sylvie Roy, François Bonnardel et Éric Caire. Il a ensuite vanté les députés Christian Dubé, Stéphane Le Bouyonnec et Hélène Daneault puis les candidats Mario Laframboise, Claire Samson et Claire Isabelle.

Tue, 2014-03-04 14:35

#28

cco

Wow. Good to see his ego is still healthy. Maybe he learned that from Mario Dumont.

Tue, 2014-03-04 16:35

#29

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I don't see anything positive on the horizon.

The 3 main parties are identical ideologically,right wing conservatives.

This is what our so called 'democracy' has turned to...The splitting of a turd into 3 pieces and voting for whichever smells less.

QS doesn't stand a chance as they will not be part of any debate and will remain an obscure organization that the public will continue to be ignorant of.

Federally is not much,if at all,different.

We're fucked.

Tue, 2014-03-04 19:55

#30

cco

Why wouldn't QS be part of the debate? They were last time.

Tue, 2014-03-04 20:11

#31

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

cco wrote:
Why wouldn't QS be part of the debate? They were last time.

They were?...Sorry,my bad.

But I don't think they are recognized as an official party (not enough MNA's)

Their platform and message is non-existant in the MSM.

The only time they are mentioned is when the media tries to tar and feather them as they did during the Maple Spring.

So that leaves us with a right wing government regardless of who wins the election.

The media makes or breaks a government,unfortunately...and it is clear that there is no appetite for progressive change,especially with the media beating the sheep over the head over and over again to vote against their own interests.

Wed, 2014-03-05 11:49

#32

DaveW

How soon we forget: people change their minds during campaigns.

Last fall the BC media were united: NDP sure winners! Ooooops ... hapless Liberals lapped them during campaign.

For a QC campaign that begins in a statistical dead heat, 37-35, it is absolutely possible for sudden shifts and vote splits to upset the pollsters' apple cart:

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/03/04/majorite-en-vue

Wed, 2014-03-05 11:52

#33

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

So basically after April 7 we will have a red turd or a blue turd....Smells like shit either way.

Wed, 2014-03-05 13:40

#34

DaveW

we will see:

http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/quebec.html

Wed, 2014-03-05 14:02

#35

sherpa-finn

cco wrote: Verdun MNA to be forced out

Gautrin was actually head of the NDP in Quebec through most of the '70s. (He's originally from France and was a University Math prof, at the time.) My impression always was that thru the '90s he and Mulcair were pretty much the "social democratic" wing of the Qc Liberal Party - at a time when almost all Qc social democrats were by definition PQ. And before QS got rolling.

Wed, 2014-03-05 14:09

#36

DaveW

certainly disillusion for some of the Left, but will anybody change their votes?

http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/lauzon/politique/le-pq-secrase-et-e...

La vraie nature du Parti québécois
Ceux qui pensent encore vraiment que le Parti québécois est un parti politique de centre-gauche et même de gauche sont naïfs et ne connaissent pas la différence réelle entre la gauche et la droite. Elles sont aussi incapables de faire la différence entre socialistes et néolibéraux ou capitalistes.

Avec d’anciens premiers ministres ou ministres péquistes comme Lucien Bouchard, Bernard Landry, Jacques Brassard, Guy Chevrette, Joseph Facal, Pierre-Marc Johnson, Jacques Léonard et Jean Garon, vous allez essayer de me faire croire que ce parti politique porte vraiment à gauche? Qu’il promeut le bien commun, l’intérêt général de la classe moyenne et adopte des politiques afin d’atténuer les odieuses inégalités économiques? Quand avez-vous attendu Pauline Marois faire comme le président démocrate des États-Unis, Barack Obama, dénoncer vertement les inégalités économiques et de dire qu’elle allait mettre en place des mesures qui allaient les atténuer? Mes amis, je vous le répète, une chance que l’on a pas fait la souveraineté avec les péquistes sinon on serait encore devenu plus contrôlé par les États-Unis jusqu’en devenir une succursale comme le sont Porto-Rico et Hawaii. Puis-je vous rappeler que Bernard Landry et le PQ voulaient adopter le dollar américain et privatiser Hydro-Québec et la SAQ. Qui aurait acheté Hydro-Québec selon vous, sinon des grosses compagnies américaines d’énergie? Les autres provinces canadiennes n’ont rien à voir avec le démantèlement de nos services publics, avec nos privatisations et nos fameux PPP, avec la tarification de nos services sociaux, avec notre corruption institutionnalisée, etc.

Wed, 2014-03-05 14:26

#37

cco

Didn't know that, sherpa. Thanks. (Though I might disagree about Mulcair's social-democratic credentials.)

I was watching Gilles Duceppe on [i]Le club des ex[/i] earlier. Made me realize how much I miss his presence on the political scene.

Wed, 2014-03-05 14:37

#38

sherpa-finn

cco said: Though I might disagree about Mulcair's social-democratic credentials.

I won't argue with that. FWIW, I was convenor of the NDP Youth @ Vanier College when Mulcair was also there ('71-73). And I am pretty sure he never darkened our doorway!

To be fair, I think Mulcair's been pretty open about his political 'evolution' over the years - so no surprises or skeletons, I don't think. He is who he is. And I am pretty sure he will do his best to keep the Federal NDP as far out of this provincial bun fight as possible.

Wed, 2014-03-05 15:09

#39

cco

Just watched Legault's rally. "We agree almost 100% with the PQ on the charter. We're certainly not like the Liberals, who won't defend Québec's identity. That said, it's disgusting that the PQ is campaigning on this."

He also promises to freeze Hydro rates and daycare rates, while slashing taxes, and being "fiscally responsible".

"Franklin D. Roosevelt" wrote:

Let me warn you, and let me warn the nation, against the smooth evasion that says: Of course we believe these things.

We believe in social security.
We believe in work for the unemployed.
We believe in saving homes.
Cross our hearts and hope to die.

We believe in all these things.

But we do not like the way that the present administration is doing them. Just turn them over to us.

We will do all of them,
we will do more of them,
we will do them better and, most important of all,
the doing of them will not cost anybody anything.

Which isn't to say I trust the PQ for a minute, of course.

Legault also says we should take "un beau risque" on his party. Sure thing, buddy. On se donne Legault.

Wed, 2014-03-05 15:16

#40

Matthieu

He makes grand promises that he cannot keep, because he knows he will not be elected and won't have to asnwer for them (at least not this election).

Still, as an opposition he is far more pragmatic and flexible. While I disagree with the methods, I agree with his objective: to reduce the burden on the middle class. It's unfortunate that he will not be able to reduce the liberals to 2nd opposition: they really need to fall down hard.

My vote goes to the PQ this year. They could have been more progressive on the economic side, but we get along very well on the social themes.

Wed, 2014-03-05 15:21

#41

cco

Legault also complained about violating the fixed-date elections law (which was stupid to begin with in a Westminster system), despite having said he'd vote against the budget. Sigh.

Wed, 2014-03-05 15:50

#42

Matthieu

Same crocodile tears from the Libs, who have done the same thing a few years ago. Still, I would have prefered if the budget had been defeated instead, for appearance sake, but everyone knows the result would have been the same.

Wed, 2014-03-05 22:17

#43

Aristotleded24

sherpa-finn wrote:

cco said: Though I might disagree about Mulcair's social-democratic credentials.

I won't argue with that. FWIW, I was convenor of the NDP Youth @ Vanier College when Mulcair was also there ('71-73). And I am pretty sure he never darkened our doorway!

To be fair, I think Mulcair's been pretty open about his political 'evolution' over the years - so no surprises or skeletons, I don't think. He is who he is. And I am pretty sure he will do his best to keep the Federal NDP as far out of this provincial bun fight as possible.

I think another way we can put this is to say that Mulcair is not the workers-of-the-world-unite-hero-of-the-proletariat that some of us prefer in our left-wing politicians, and the NDP membership knew that when they voted for him.

Sat, 2021-11-20 12:58

#44

jfb

Sat, 2021-11-20 12:58

#45

jfb

Thu, 2014-03-06 01:28

#46

cco

There was a Québec NDP between 1963 and 1989 (Mulcair would enter the National Assembly 5 years later). Just like the Québec Greens, they eventually fell victim to the fact there isn't really a federalist left in Québec.

Thu, 2014-03-06 02:40

#47

cco

Are animated GIFs verboten on this site? If so, let me know and I'll take this down:

Thu, 2014-03-06 07:48

#48

lagatta

It is very funny. That said, I wish one could click on it to freeze it, as after just a few seconds, it was nauseating me, and I don't mean because of Legault.

The other thing is "les vraies affaires" (Lib slogan). In French, that has a rightwing populist connotation. Ecology or social housing will never be "vraies affaires", no matter how essential they are.