The Coup in Egypt

Whatever "it was" the question is what is it now. 800+ civilians shot at demonstrations, 1000s injured. It is a coup and a military government

Sharif Abdel Kouddous: In Modern Egypt’s Bloodiest Period, "New Horrors Are Brought Every Day"

video or transcript

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/8/19/sharif_abdel_kouddous_in_modern_eg...

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Ahdaf Soueif: Amidst Egypt’s Bloodshed, "We Are Trying Keep the Discourse of the Revolution Alive"

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/8/19/ahdaf_soueif_amidst_egypts_bloodsh...

A Cairo court has set a September trial date for Mohamed ElBaradei, the recently-resigned interim vice president for foreign affairs, on charges of "breaching national trust." The charges against ElBaradei were filed by a law professor at Cairo's Helwan University, according to a report in the state-run Al-Ahram. He stands accused of "betraying" the public by resigning on August 14, a misdemeanour charge that could carry an $1,430 fine if he is convicted.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/201382013218872674.html

Ah yes.  Those French Jewish intellectuals.  Plotting coups the world over.

I mean really, who else could it be? Never mind the Egyptian militaries habitual habit of over throwing governments they don't like...

Egypt During the Reign of Lunatics  -   by Mohamed Malik and Mohmaed Omar

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/08/19/egypt-during-the-reign-of-the-lun...

"The political conflict in Egypt is roughly speaking between the haves and the have-nots..What Morsi has done will go down in history as one of the major turning points in Middle-Eastern history. Political Islam, which had traditionally been a one-dimensional creedal culture, has now been repositioned in the wider consciousness in terms of democratic legitimacy.

This is entirely against the interests of a military regime that has, since 1973, built its power and reputation, not on fighting wars to protect its people, but on running a protection racket. Morsi's main goal has thus been achieved, and the military have consequently gone berserk: The reign of the lunatics has begun."

Egypt: Polarisation and Genocide  -  by Richard Falk

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/08/20138191729273429.html

"...The armed forces were 'the joker' in the political deck. The military leadership seemed to go along with the Tahrir Square flow, but also to play its cards in such a way as to control the transition to whatever came next, claiming to be the guarantor of order. Sometimes it was perceived as having made a deal with the MB, and it should not be forgotten that Major General Abdel Fattah el Sisi served as Minister of Defence in the Morsi cabinet up until the day of the coup.

But as the anti-Morsi momentum gathered steam, the military took over the movement, but this time with a popular mandate to restore order and economic stability that has as its priority the bloody destruction of the MB as a rival source of economic and political power. Think of it: the group that had prevailed in a series of free elections throughout the nation is scapegoated overnight into 'extremists' that must be crushed.

When the word 'terrorist' is deployed to designate the enemies of the state, it signals that the rule of the gun will replace the rule of law. It represents the adoption of extermination tactics by the state, and what has followed should be no surprise. El Baradei's participation in the coup and interim government, followed by his resignation, reflects the dilemma of liberals, and their confusion: making nice with the military for the sake of political control, yet not wanting too much innocent blood to be spilled..."

Yes, that was to whom he was referring. But if that's all he can point to then I think his real reference point is this:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Erdogan is tied to the US-Israel-NATO Western regional destabilization agenda with an umbilical cord of piano-wire. He floats this Levy frisson in hopes that Turks will forget this and rally around him yet again. It is not the first time he has staged a political pillow fight with his Zionist bedfellows to great effect. More than anything else, this is an attempt to save his own political ass in Turkey. As for Israeli involvement/support for the Egyptian coup, it seems highly likely..

Israeli Ambassador Calls Al-Sisi a National Hero For All Jews

http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/6617-israeli-ambassado...

Israeli Radio: An Israeli Envoy Has Secretly Visited Cairo

http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/7013-israeli-radio-an-...

Egyptian Court Orders Mubarak's Relase

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/08/21/egypt-violence-muslim-brot...

"Prosecution says it will not appeal decision.."

* see also sidebar 'related stories'

"Ottawa 'Extremely Concerned' about Canadians held in Egypt"

And Now A Message From Our (Saudi) Sponsors  -  by Pepe Escobar

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-05-200813.html

"There he is, Egypt's new pharaoh, Pinochet Sisi, in full regalia/glory...

Oops, Israel, glorious Sisi could not possibly thank this particular producer in his Oscar acceptance speech. How can you justify that to the Arab street - that we're the servants of the occupiers of Palestine?

As for the Israelis, they couldn't care less. Sisi is one of them, they are always 'in close contact'; and he would never cancel the Camp David Accords.

But there may be a spanner in the works. The Tamarod movement - who collected the 22 million signatures that led to the mass demonstrations that created the opening for the coup that is not a coup  - is now demanding not only the cancellation of all US 'aid', but of the Camp David accords as well.

Now that's another bomb - the heart of the matter as far as US/Israel are concerned. What if Tamarod manages to again get 22 million - or more - signatures - not unlikely considering the absolute majority of Egyptians abhor the 'peace' with Israel? Will glorious Sisi muster the courage to displease his Israeli producers?"

The Egyptian military hasn't habitually overthrown the Egyptian government.  What it HAS done, among other things(such as siphoning off billions of dollars in military and economic aid to line its own pockets)has been to crush almost all secular opposition parties, while semi-tolerating the MB as an opposition force in the Mubarak era and creating a situation in which, if you were an anti-regime Egyptian and wanted to be in an anti-Mubarak party, you basically had to ally yourself the MB or have no group to work with at all(prior to the Tahrir Square revolution, which unfortunately didn't create a permanent structure for a left-secular opposition movement).

To my mind, this was the main reason that the MB, to outside eyes, appeared to be the ONLY alternative to Mubarak(and may appear now to some Westerners to be the only alternative to accepting a new era of military kleptocracy(which will keep the economy stagnant, but at least give the appearance of "stability"-i.e., no social energy among the poor and the workers of Egypt...that "The West" so arrogantly demands).

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Montreal+Egyptian+community+protests...'s Egyptian community protests in name of democracy[/url]

Quote:

Montreal’s Egyptian community turned out in force Friday afternoon to protest Egypt’s military-backed interim government that ousted former president Mohamed Morsi on July 3.

Approximately 200 people made their way from the Guy-Concordia métro station to the Egyptian consulate, chanting “No to the military coup” and “Democracy and solidarity.”

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In Montreal, protesters were more pro-democracy than pro-Morsi.

Egyptian Authorities Close Main Crossing to Gaza Strip (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/09/08/322791/egypt-closes-main-crossi...

"Egyptian authorities have closed the main crossing to the besieged Gaza Strip following the deteriorating security situation across the North African country..."

Egypt Boosts Security in North of Sinai (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/09/08/322764/egypt-boosts-security-in...

Egyptian military officials have said that the army has expanded its operations in North Sinai, where it is now using helicopters and tanks to fight armed militant groups..."

Egypt Outlaws Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.roitov.com/articles/egyptbrotherhood.htm

"On September 23, 2013, the poker game between Egypt and Israel reached a nadir when an Egyptian court outlawed the Muslim Brotherhood. Recently deposed President Morsi is affiliated to them..."

Egypt Returns To Pre-2011 Situation

http://rt.com/op-edge/new-protests-in-egypt-822/

"Egyptian people believe the labeling of the Muslim Brotherhood as terrorist, the imprisoning of protest leaders and the crackdown on dissent, has returned the country to a police state worse than under Mubarak, journalist Shahira Amin told RT..."

BREAKING - DETAILS TO FOLLOW: Egypt Court Sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood Supporters to Death

http://rt.com/news/morsi-supporters-death-court-801/

these western-backed coup-installed regimes, whether in Cairo or Kyiv, seem distinctly nasty and vicious

NDPP wrote:

BREAKING - DETAILS TO FOLLOW: Egypt Court Sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood Supporters to Death

http://rt.com/news/morsi-supporters-death-court-801/

these western-backed coup-installed regimes, whether in Cairo or Kyiv, seem distinctly nasty and vicious

Who cares?

How many swing ridings depend on Egyptian-Canadian voters?

I haven't seen any NDP or Liberal or Conservative statements about this. So how can it be of any importance?

Anyway, don't we support that government, which was installed to replace the elected Morsi government following peaceful demonstrations in [s]Maidan[/s] Tahrir square?

Can we please get this much straight: Good guys don't "kill their own people". You must be confusing them with the bad guys.

Let's get back to kissing the boots of the Kyiv freedom-loving democrats. Don't need these confusing distractions from parts of the world which are irrelevant at the moment.

Keep scratching Smith, something may come eventually...

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I seem to remember reading an opinion that the original uprising (that is, many in the same movement as those who are now facing a death penalty) was nothing but a bunch of western-backed stooges. So I'm kind of scratching my head here.

I guess Unionist is right about those good guy and bad guy hats being irrelevant; It seems the west is lurking under all of them.

You're really descending rapidly. Do you actually believe the West will fall unless you ardently defend it in these sparsely-read babble forums?

Israel Ties Expose Egypt Govt Hypocrisy (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/23/355771/israel-ties-expose-egypt-...

"...But the real facts are that Egypt has become now a huge concentration camp. And the Egyptian people from all backgrounds and all spectrums are deprived of their human rights, and the military authorities are bringing back the worst, as in earlier periods in modern Egyptian history.

And in the meantime, Israel comes along with its papers, and in the open, to say that they are working very hard to convince the US to be more cooperative wtih the regime in Egypt now, because the regime has so much in common with the Israelis.

The coup regime should be tried because they are collaborating with an enemy. But they accuse Dr Morsi of having contact with Hamas."

Muslim Brotherhood Supporters Protest Mass Death Sentences (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/03/27/356163/muslim-brotherhood-suppo...

"Youth dominated mass daytime and night-time rallies, called for by the anti-coup alliance, denouncing the recent sentencing of 529 Muslim Brotherhood supporters to death, over the killing of a single police officer...

Ukraine, Egypt, A Tale of Two Coups  -  by Eric Walberg

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/03/353040/a-tale-of-two-coups/

"The post-Soviet New World Order that the West is trying to impose in Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Ukraine, etc requires obedient 'post modern' states, open to 'free'-trade (in US dollars) and 'free' elections (preferably with short terms making for weak presidents), the whole process monitored by a 'free' media (read privately controlled) and western NGOs.

It's a very expensive racket...

"In Egypt [unlike Ukraine] the police and army actually conspired with the demonstrators to overthrow the president, making the coup a walk-over. In both cases the demonstrators were a coalition of liberal and right-wing nationalists.

Both coups succeeded because they were backed by the empire...Welcome to the world of postmodern imperialism."

Canada Marks Conclusion of Constitutional Referendum in Egypt

http://www.international.gc.ca/media/aff/news-communiques/2014/01/16a.as...

"Canada supports the continued implementation of the transition road map, which includes upcoming presidential and parliamentary elections....We continue to stand with the Egyptian people..." - John Baird FM

US Funded Anti-Morsi Protests Last Year: Documents

http://presstv.com/detail/2014/03/30/356515/us-sponsored-coup-against-mo...

"Newly revealed documents show senior Egyptian opposition leaders who called for the overthrow of Mohamed Morsi, Egypt's first democratically elected president, had the financial backing of the US.

US President Barack Obama had claimed that Washington did not take sides in the Egyptian political crisis that ousted Morsi in July last year..."

Can somebody, anybody, explain how sentencing some 500 people to death is going to do anything beyond creating 500 plus martyrs?

The Economics of Egypt's Coup  -  by Eric Walberg

http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/04/the-economics-of-egypts-coup/

"Egypt is forming an economic dependence on funds from Saudi Arabia and the UAE that spells economic disaster for the vast majority of ordinary Egyptians who will be left paying the price. Despite loud media support for the military government, discontent is high..."

Horrible outcome. What did Canada do in advance of this outrageous trial and sentance? If Canada's official response is "disappointment", I'd say diddly squat was done to help these journalists. So relieved filmmaker Greyson and his friend were released or else they would have met a similar fate.

Global condemnation at this point is a little too late. As for the 100+ members of the Muslim Brotherhood slated for execution, how can official responses be so tepid? The western powers seem fairly comfortable with the outcomes of the Egyptian coup. (I wonder whether the wife of the arrested and presumably condemned to death Egyptian-Canadian Foreign Affairs minister under President Morsi has given up on seeking help from Canada.)