What's the role of the federal NDP in Quebec if sovereignty remains a hot issue?

I think QS is a marvelous experiment and I wish it all the best.   My preferred scenario would be for it to gain enough success to close doors on rivals at its end of the spectrum.  Whether it will or not is the question of the election for me.

 Btw did Marios keep her promise to create a Bank of Quebec.

Brachina wrote:

 Anything could still happen, especially with the debate thursday, but my gut says Marios blew it, and the Liberals will get back in. 

My gut says the Liberals win the popular vote by getting massive supermajorities in their West Island strongholds and, with the QS and CAQ vote so anemic, the PQ wins a majority of the seats.

 This election has been fascinating, abit sickening at times as well.

 Just think Marios was pretty much headed for a Majority when a critical decision change the fate of this election. PKP.

 It back fired on her and instead of being Premier her career will likely soon be over if she can't recover in tomorrows debate. 

 One choose, one decision changes the fate of a whole province.

Or at least it appears it will, nothing is certain until after E-Day.

 And that is why people who are assuming Justin will be the next Prime Minister and that are certain that  the NDP are going back to third or fourth place and fools. Because in politics anything can happen, a moment, a single choice that seems harmless enough can change the world, where the butterfly effect isn't just a theory, its the nature of the business.

 And that is why I find politics exciting and why I never give up hope that a better world is possible and can happen, dispite life's disappointments.

There can be good reasons for a burkha ban (not a ban on hijab) in an educational institution. These have been banned in some institutions in Muslim countries - and I don't mean Tunisia or Turkey that used to enforce a hijab ban - for the simple reason that they can be used to cheat at exams. And they have been used in this way.

And please, I'm not defending Marois, but her name is Marois, not Marios. The pronunciation would be entirely different.

I really don't think this particular point is "throwing Muslim students under the bus". Alas, one can find far more egregious cases of xenophobia and a narrow-minded attitude among Charter supporters.

The National Pest also features Barbara Kay railing against PQ bigotry and "tribalism" - tribalism uttered here by a fanatical rightwing Zionist. Takes one to know one, I guess...

Brachina wrote:

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mulroney-castigated-trudeau-o...

 

 The idea of the Liberals as Champions of national unity is such a bad joke. The consquences of the Trudeau selfish disgusting actions have been felt tbroughout Canada ever since.

Ah, thank goodness we're back to the thread topic of the NDP!

Brachina wrote:

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mulroney-castigated-trudeau-o...

 

 The idea of the Liberals as Champions of national unity is such a bad joke. The consquences of the Trudeau selfish disgusting actions have been felt tbroughout Canada ever since.

Why does anybody care what Mulroney thinks about anything? He was the one who could not secure agreement on Meech Lake because he was an ineffective leader, not because the federal Liberals were trying to sabotage the deal. With or without Clyde Wells, I can assure you that Elijah Harper would have held out on his fillibuster, and the agreement would still have died.

http://crystalgaze2.blogspot.ca/2014/03/stealing-democracy-part-xi-quebe...

 When the fuck did this country start turning into a banana republic?

You didnt take the hint that talking about political affairs in Quebec is NOT what this thread is about.

And that is not only thread drift- which happens all the time. Your type of continual stoking of how bad the PQ is.... EXACTLY what the NDP does not need.

Do you need an explanation why? [Which I guess is relevant to the topic, given how sadly regressive a good deal of the NDP membership is when it comes to Quebec.]

Brachina wrote:

 If that's what you think my point was you missed it entirely. My critism wasn't confined to the PQ, the election official did not to my knowledge have any connection to the PQ and was in fact in violation of the rules as set out by the PQ. And this sort of violation or misunderstanding in not confined to Quebec either. But in fact things are going to get worse with Harper's unfair elections bill, far worse.

Ah - ok - so that's how your post fits with the thread title, "role of federal NDP if QC sovereignty issue remains hot". Harper's unfair elections act, which even though it has no application to a Québec election, will surely have an indirect chilling effect on voter registration... and by defeating this bill (even though Harper has a majority), the NDP will facilitate more open elections in Québec, which will ultimately cool down the QC sovereignty issue even if it remains hot!

Amirite? Hmmm?

 I think the PQ is guilty of encouraging this behavoir, but I don't think they're unique in this, nor are they the worst offenders of voter suppression, Harper do a masterful job of it in 2011, and Marois has her work cut out for her if she wishes to catch up with Harper.

 Then there is Brad Wall who is also guilty of this. I would not be surprised if other rightwingers take up this idea.

 I will say leftwingers don't seem to behave like this, the NDP and QS do not seem to act like this, this is the byproduct of rightwing entitlement that the PQ, Tories, and some Liberals seem to have. They have a contempt cor democracy because in thier hearts they believe only the Elites, both the rich and thier advisors should really run things, not the people.

Funnily enough, I remember it being right around the time Mulcair was in cabinet.

 Side note there is one PQ policy I can sort of support after some thought and that is Quebec being able to pick some to represent Quebec's interests on the Bank of Canada's board, but with the provision only if Quebec stays in Canada, and that other Provinces and territories get represention too and a representive. Provinces and municplablities should have access to the benifits of the BOC including borrowing and quantative easing like Banks.

That would have no appeal to anyone. Except you, for reasons unknown.

Do you think this would appeal to anyone?

It had a purpose if an independent Quebec were to be using the Canadian dollar. For a province..... ?

Edited to add: I missed the last part of what you said. Do you go out of your way to rub peoples noses in "Quebec is just another province. They can have anything that every other province gets, and no status that Quebec would be the only province to have. [I dont hear the words special status. Or, I hear them, but they are just supposed to be symbolic.]

Yes, I liked my little joke or pun...

but I had misgivings of appealing to the folks who are delusional about Quebec "seeing the light," or whatever it is.

Thumbing their nose at Quebec, and sad thing is half the time not even realizing it.

Sigh.

By the way, one of the forms of that is "Quebec can do what it wants, I dont care, I'm tired of this, etc." 

Ever thought about what would happen to the "Rest of Canada"?

There would certainly still be a country called Canada. and we still it's citizens.

But the 'details' of confederation, how it works, would be thrown up in the air.... up for grabs what it would end up like. 

Make the Right and corporate power happy. And sadly, the overwhelming majority of Albertans.

KenS wrote:

I do not wish sovereignists well. Never do.

[Though I would if, and after, they made the leap.]

But I more than respect where it comes from.

But the PQ, that's different. The pending failure comes to a most deserving bunch.

Unfortunately, it comes at the expense of the success of a spectacularly undeserving bunch.

Edited to include the post that got edited away while I was typing. (And then edited back. Computers are hard.)

[any more scrambling I can do?]

probably

Dances With Harper Couillard- that is next year.

No problem.

Justin will have another Big Idea by then.

Here's an interesting graphic from the recent EKOS poll.

Being "ambiguous" by promising "no referendum" is essentially being federalist. Of course, the PQ is also effectively federalist in this election.

Because it works. One side will always vote for you to stop a referendum, no matter what else you do. The other side won't be drawn specifically to vote for a referendum, so it doesn't hurt you to bring it up. It can only help. I've lived here since I was 17 and in every campaign the Liberals have hammered "no referendum, no referendum, no referendum". It's [i]all[/i] they have.

 For the record I believe the NDP is higher in support, but that the Quebec election is squing things in favour oc the BQ and fed libs.