2014 Toronto mayoral election

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terrytowel

Two things that did Olivia in. The Scarborough Subway and Scarbough itself.

If you aksed the people of Scarborough which you perferred? LRT that costs tax-payers only $1 or Subway that would increase property taxes 10%. They would still choose a 10% raise in property taxes!

That is how Scarborough is. No matter what the cost, they want a subway. Ironic given they also want taxes low, but that is how Scarberians are thinking.

The minute she supported LRT (which I support as well) she lost Scarborough to both Ford & Tory.

The second thing is her election headquarters. It was smack dab in Toronto. If she wanted to reach out to the suburbs she should of had it in a very visible location in Scarborough.

So central and visible in Scarborough that commuters would see it everyday to and from work.

With a few exceptions, all of the door knocking, canvassing and announcements where in DT Toronto.

Because of that it gave suburban voters the impression she only cared about DT folks. Which is why almost all her support where in those DT wards.

She hardly did anything to reach out to those other communities.

There was one letter to the editor at Now Magazine that sums up her lack of attention to the suburbs

On the day Olivia Chow announced her candidacy for mayor, I talked to a member of her campaign team and sent this piece of advice: do not open your campaign office south of Highway 401. You own downtown; send a signal that you think the suburbs count. I was told politely to shove it. Any politician who pretends there are more votes in the old city of Toronto than the suburbs is doomed.

Adam Berel Wetstein
North York

http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=199524

terrytowel

Stockholm wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

That was Ford Nation voting for Ford. They rallied their base to come out and vote.

How do you know? have you already conducted an extensive post-election survey of exactly why people voted the way they did and who voted "strategically" and who voted their heart? Or are you just speculating?

From the Toronto Star

Ford Nation is alive and well in most of the city’s poorest neighbourhoods, a ward-by-ward analysis of Monday’s mayoral vote shows.

From Rexdale and Jane-Finch in the city’s northwest to Malvern and Scarborough-Rouge River in the east, support for Ford topped 50 per cent.

Wanda McNevin, of the Jane-Finch Community and Family Centre, said Ford’s promise of a subway on Finch Ave. was also popular with voters in her area, who often spend hours on transit to get to work.

“These are disenfranchised communities,” she said. “So when someone promises them something like a subway, they listen.”

Ford’s folksy, rumpled demeanor also played better than Tory’s polished speeches, she added.

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/toronto2014election/2014/10/28/tor...

Again if 65,000 voters didn't strategically vote, and switched from Tory to Chow, Ford would be in the Mayor's chair.

There is no dispute now. Ford Nation IS a motivated base, and NOT unmotivated as many have said on this board. They will go to the polls to support any Ford on a ballot.

This is clearly a case where strategic voting worked to keep someone out.

terrytowel

Stockholm wrote:
I have met people who don't like QuAIA. Including myself. I have never met ANYONE LGBT who agrees that the mayor of Toronto should blackmail and threaten Pride Toronto.

Here are two at link below

I told you Stockhom, some in the gay community support and agree with Tory stance to strip funding for Pride over QuAIA

http://dailyxtra.com/toronto/news/video-john-tory-volunteers-share-thoug...

 

Maysie Maysie's picture

What a sad, sad day Monday was.

Tory won in left-leaning (Liberal and NDP) downtown ridings just to the east of downtown. Including Ward 27 where Kristyn Wong-Tam won (yay!) and Ward 28 where I live. It was either because of strategic voting (the refuge of liberals) or people really believed he's not an old-school-Mike-Harris-fiscal-Conservative. The Star's endorsement probably helped there.

Apparently, voting for progressive Councillors like Wong-Tam and Pam McConnell and voting for fucking goddamn John Tory doesn't bother some liberals. My mind reels.

Time for some levity.

Toronto elects first white male mayor in four years

"Tory promised that he would represent everyone including people who were not rich, white men."

"At press time, John Tory accidentally gave his usual concession speech instead of a victory speech."

Laughing

P.S. I predicted he would offer Chow a position on his team. Toronto isn't used to having a smart mayor. I'm more terrified than ever what the fuck he's going to do.

P.P.S. I'm moving in with bagkitty in Calgary. Kiss

Stockholm

terrytowel wrote:

The minute she supported LRT (which I support as well) she lost Scarborough to both Ford & Tory.

The second thing is her election headquarters. It was smack dab in Toronto. If she wanted to reach out to the suburbs she should of had it in a very visible location in Scarborough.

So central and visible in Scarborough that commuters would see it everyday to and from work.

1. Paul Ainsley is a Scarborough city councillor who spoke out AGAINST the Scarborough subway and in favour of the LRT - he was re-elected with 76% of the vote despite attempts by the Fords to defeat him due to his position. Also, poll after poll after poll showed that while a slim majority in Scarborough wanted the subway - there was always a good 35-40% who prefrred the LRT.

2. Olivia Chow actually had four campaign head quarters - a central one at Yonge and St. Clair and satellite headquarters in Etobicoke, North York and SCARBOROUGH - all with conspicuous signage. John Tory's headquarters was in an upper floor of an office tower in downtown Toronto. 

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Toronto mayoral election results

Ward-by-ward colour-coded breakdown

http://www.cbc.ca/news/multimedia/toronto-mayoral-election-results-1.281...

terrytowel

Stockholm wrote:

1. Paul Ainsley is a Scarborough city councillor who spoke out AGAINST the Scarborough subway and in favour of the LRT - he was re-elected with 76% of the vote despite attempts by the Fords to defeat him due to his position. Also, poll after poll after poll showed that while a slim majority in Scarborough wanted the subway - there was always a good 35-40% who prefrred the LRT.

A majority is a majaority.

After Rob Ford was found in violation by the intergrity commisioner and forced to apologize, it made Ainsley a sympathetic candidate.

Stockholm wrote:

2. Olivia Chow actually had four campaign head quarters - a central one at Yonge and St. Clair and satellite headquarters in Etobicoke, North York and SCARBOROUGH - all with conspicuous signage. John Tory's headquarters was in an upper floor of an office tower in downtown Toronto. 

Her MAIN campaign office was at St. Clair. It should of been in Scarborough. Tory already had healthy Scarborough support. Chow needed her main election headquaters in Scarborough. To visually show Scarborough residents that they matter.

By having her MAIN election headquaters at St. Clair she was telegraphing that she only cares about DT Toronto.

Ford wasn't stupid. He deliberately chose a Scarborough strip mall to have his campaign office, all to show the residents that  they matter.

Stockholm

Oh come you are being totally ridiculous here. Campaign headquarters have to be practical for where the bulk of staff and volunteers live - most people working for Olivia Chow don't have cars and its not practical to have an HQ in a place that takes everyone hours to get to - you need to be close to a subway line. Yonge and St. Clair is actually pretty close to the geographic centre of the City of Toronto. Scarborough is a huge place - you can set up an HQ in any one strip mall and if you are lucky one half of one percent of people will ever see it. Tory did OK (but not great) in Scarborough in the end, but when the campaign started he was consistently polling a distant third in Scarborough - somehow he managed to grow his support despite having his HQ in a downtown bank tower. 

As for the subway - over 40% of people in Scarborough preferred the LRT - and on top of that Olivia Chow should have had that 40% all to herself since Tory, Ford and for a while Stintz were all chasing the pro-subway crowd. If every single person who wanted an LRT in Scarborough had voted for the only candidate promising one - Olivia Chow would be mayor of Toronto today.

terrytowel

Stockholm wrote:

Oh come you are being totally ridiculous here. Campaign headquarters have to be practical for where the bulk of staff and volunteers live - most people working for Olivia Chow don't have cars and its not practical to have an HQ in a place that takes everyone hours to get to - you need to be close to a subway line.

Imagine Scarborough not being able to get around because of a lack of a subway. It might be hard for her staff, but it is hard for people living in Scarborough.

Stockholm wrote:

Yonge and St. Clair is actually pretty close to the geographic centre of the City of Toronto. Scarborough is a huge place - you can set up an HQ in any one strip mall and if you are lucky one half of one percent of people will ever see it.

Being at St. Clair might have been convenient, but it left the impression with Scarborough that she only cared about DT Toronto. If she set up her headquarters at the Scarborough Town Center or in a shopping mall, she have plenty of people seeing it. In fact the subway &LRT goes right into the Scarborough Town Center. Imagine how many people in Scarborough would see her office just by shopping in that mall. It is the OPTICS, and the vibe she gave off was she didn't care about Scarborough.

Stockholm wrote:

Tory did OK (but not great) in Scarborough in the end, but when the campaign started he was consistently polling a distant third in Scarborough - somehow he managed to grow his support despite having his HQ in a downtown bank tower.

Well he supported the Scarborough Subway, that and the STOP FORD movement got him votes in Scarborough

Stockholm wrote:

As for the subway - over 40% of people in Scarborough preferred the LRT - and on top of that Olivia Chow should have had that 40% all to herself since Tory, Ford and for a while Stintz were all chasing the pro-subway crowd. If every single person who wanted an LRT in Scarborough had voted for the only candidate promising one - Olivia Chow would be mayor of Toronto today.

Yes the people that wanted the subway voted for Ford. That left the rest (who want LRT) voting for Tory to STOP Ford.

mark_alfred

Brachina wrote:

Lets not read Olvia Chow's defeat into doom for Mulcair, Olvia Chow pouched this on her own, this has nothing to do with gender or race* she fucking lead for montbs on end for goodness sakes, no responsiblity for her failure lays on Chow herself, she made some bad calls, some on transit (even though I agreed with her on LRT), she did poorly in the debates for while she had a lead, it often felt like she was coasting Trudeau style, she betrayed the NDP and Joe witholding her endorsemwnt whe he needed it alienating many of her volunteers and donors and looking disloyal, she then alienated her Liberal Supporters by throughing Warren Kinsella under the bus. There where other mistakes.

 And the idea that Toronto is conservitive is bs, she lead for a long time.

 THIS. WAS. WINNABLE. FOR. CHOW. if we are to learn and grow from this experience the left has to learn to own its fuck ups.

She did lack charisma.  Occasionally her exchanges in the debates just seemed a bit too adherent to script rather than appearing reasonable and refreshing.  So, while her vision was the only one that made sense of the candidates running, she lost.  That she was a high profile name who was put forward from the NDP and lost so spectacularly does not bode well for the NDP in Toronto come the next federal election.

mark_alfred

Oh well, the election is over.  But this from 22 Minutes was pretty funny:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBWQ_oh_EUM

Stockholm

mark_alfred wrote:

Brachina wrote:

Lets not read Olvia Chow's defeat into doom for Mulcair, Olvia Chow pouched this on her own, this has nothing to do with gender or race* she fucking lead for montbs on end for goodness sakes, no responsiblity for her failure lays on Chow herself, she made some bad calls, some on transit (even though I agreed with her on LRT), she did poorly in the debates for while she had a lead, it often felt like she was coasting Trudeau style, she betrayed the NDP and Joe witholding her endorsemwnt whe he needed it alienating many of her volunteers and donors and looking disloyal, she then alienated her Liberal Supporters by throughing Warren Kinsella under the bus. There where other mistakes.

 And the idea that Toronto is conservitive is bs, she lead for a long time.

 THIS. WAS. WINNABLE. FOR. CHOW. if we are to learn and grow from this experience the left has to learn to own its fuck ups.

She did lack charisma.  Occasionally her exchanges in the debates just seemed a bit too adherent to script rather than appearing reasonable and refreshing.  So, while her vision was the only one that made sense of the candidates running, she lost.  That she was a high profile name who was put forward from the NDP and lost so spectacularly does not bode well for the NDP in Toronto come the next federal election.

In the 2010 municipal election another high profile NDPer ran for mayor - Joe Pantalone did wayyy worse than Olivia Chow getting 11% of the vote...then five months later the federal NDP had its best showing ever in Toronto winning 8 seats and over 30% of the vote citywide - so go figure...

mark_alfred

True.  Pendulums swing back and forth.  So no reason to give up the good fight for progressive government.

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Where's the outrage over racist treatment of Olivia Chow

By: John Honderich Chair of the Board, Published on Thu Oct 30 2014

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/10/30/wheres_the_outrage_...

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