CBC cuts Jian Ghomeshi loose

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eastnoireast

Pondering wrote:

 

eastnoireast wrote:

however, it seems to me there is also a lot of good people on this thread bringing what they can to a community discussion of what is a watershed moment in canadian society.

the whole institutionalized and internalized cone of silence on this is being ripped away, and it's just starting.  i fuckin' love it.  how can we support this?  what is our role in all of this?  and i mean all of us, and all our shit, all our 'isms.

This is a scandal for the CBC not a watershed moment for Canada. I hope that longterm, over decades, it will contribute to societal change but next week or next year will be no different than this week and this year.

There is still huge emphasis, and acceptance, that it is because a successful actress and a lawyer came forward, that the women are being believed. The others are still too fearful to come forward. I suppose in that sense it is a watershed moment. Two public women had the courage to step forward.

I would be delighted to read that the back-channels are leading to shunnings now instead of tolerance. I don't think it's going to happen.

fair enough, maybe it's just a watershed opportunity...  i can only think of one event post-vote that is on this scale in terms of impacting the public discourse, such as it is.  what's different about gomeshigate is that it's not about a "lone wolf" (with apologies to real wolves), an "other"- it's specifically about us progressives, whomever we are, about a man who was publicly and archivally idolized for years by many, including feminists, politicians, artists...  it's also different times, ie  we have an internet now, we are not pre-arab spring/occupy/idlenomore.  there is some momentum and awareness, even as democracy is unbuilt before our eyes.  but i digress.

the fact that the "anonymous women" are believed more now that two other women, professional women, one of whom is "known" to canadians, have come forward, with their names, should not be a surprise.  in fact it would be weird if otherwise.   

personally i think it's more helpful to look at it like this - they, along with jesse brown, the folks who crowdsourced the funding for it and helped in other ways- they were the first salvo.  you want a name?  here you go.  that's salvo #2 (perhaps part of the strategy/hope from the start).  now, it's up to the broader chunks of civil society to keep things moving.  it's teamwork, ideally.

the upthread "assault pie chart" is pretty effective - i'm going to print it off for the neighbours - but i actually found pondering's "#'s in real life" moved me at a gut level that the chart didn't.  (hello pondering).  these are things that need to be disseminated, because most people do not know this.  how could they? 

so, there's a task for civil society - say, rabble -  put together a package delivered to every media outlet in canada, including the little, struggling local papers - filled with professional, concise, cut and paste content - that would have an effect, and the quicker the better. 

the fact that the first group of women have not made their names public is unsurprising - they don't have to at this point; they've created the initial space, there now will be an investigation, and they can pick the time closer to court dates to reveal, if they want to.  and in the meantime, it's an opportunity for them to get their affairs and health in order, and batten down the hatches. 

say, there's another way of helping - money is always handy, for, like, lost wages while your preping for court, childcare, lawyers, food. 

etc.

over to us.

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MegB

Calling people out, as jas has pointed out, backfires more often than it succeeds. If you're going to ruin someone's life you'd better have some compelling testimony. You get that compelling testamony by creating a safe environment where women's allegations are taken seriously and fear of re-victimization is minimal.

Unfortunately where you have a patriarchal rape culture, those changes in supports for assaulted women are ploddingly slow, under-funded and always initiated by survivors and their allies, not those with political power, influence and financial resources.

6079_Smith_W

This is an aside, but important to mention here.

Yesterday we visited the Walking With our Sisters project, which is here at Wanuskewin through the month of November. It is not just an exhibition, but a ceremonial space. I don't think it gets down east before next year, but it is very important, and should be paid attention to.

http://walkingwithoursisters.ca/

When one thinks of unheard accusations and movements working to change that, it does not get more powerful than this.

John Ralston Saul was on the radio this morning (he is speaking here tonight) and he said - in relation to Native issues - that although it is not entirely fair, it is the task of this generation to change, and if we do not we will be judged for it.

Really, it is the same, and entirely congruent for the issue of violence against women, and when you have someone like Jimmy Carter pointing out that it is the single most important human rights issue (sad that it has to be a guy who says it), there is no excuse.

 

Pondering

As per Jesse Brown on http://canadalandshow.com/podcast/we-all-knew-about-jian (at 27:30) the union has been disparaging the claims of a woman who reported Jian's sexual harassment to them. Brown has proof of the report.

The interview is with a man who witnessed Jian sexually harass a woman.

The following was also just reported.

Quote:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/11/03/students_were_warned_away_fro...

Journalism students at the University of Western Ontario were cautioned against pursuing internships at Jian Ghomeshi’s popular CBC radio show Q due to concerns about “inappropriate” behaviour toward young women by the now-fired host, according to a former student at the school and a journalism professor.

Jeremy Copeland, a journalism lecturer at Western, said the concerns stemmed from a 2012 incident in which Ghomeshi allegedly “prey(ed) on a young grad who wanted to work (at Q).” Because of this, he recently stopped a female student from pursuing an internship at Q.

Students were told two years ago that internships at Q were “off limits” due to concerns about inappropriate behaviour by Ghomeshi, a former Western student told the Star.

The journalism program did stop sending interns to Q after one intern (a male student) was placed at the show in 2008, said Thomas Carmichael, dean of the faculty of information and media studies at the University of Western Ontario. But he said the reason was to do with the nature of the internship.

“We insist that our interns do entry-level journalism work, and the report on that internship indicated that the student was asked to run everyday errands not connected to journalism,” he said in an email. “Consequently, we decided not to pursue further placements at Q.”

Carmichael did not respond to followup questions about whether concerns about Ghomeshi’s inappropriate behaviour toward female students played a role in stopping internships at Q.

 

Debater

Woman who spoke to As It Happens about Jian Ghomeshi takes story to Toronto Police

Monday, November 3, 2014

http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/features/2014/11/03/jian-folo/

 

Debater

Ghomeshi used CBC-owned phone for texts that led to firing, source says

Toronto police will not say if investigators are now in possession of the smart phone.

Mon Nov 03 2014

Jian Ghomeshi used a CBC-owned phone to send lewd text messages to women, a source has told the Star.

The public broadcaster believes its ownership of the smart phone refutes the former radio star’s claim that he was fired because of how he conducted himself in his “private life.”

“The contents of that phone belong to the CBC — it’s the CBC’s property,” said a source familiar with‎ the situation.

The source says Ghomeshi ‎lied to CBC management when he was asked “eyeball to eyeball” about allegations of violent sexual behaviour being investigated by the Star.

Ghomeshi showed texts and other material to CBC officials to bolster his claim, but the source said they were so shocked by what they read and saw that it had the opposite effect.

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More:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/11/03/ghomeshi_used_cbcowned_pho...

terrytowel

Reflections on Feminism in Modern Culture and Media

http://theorangetory.blogspot.ca/2014/11/reflections-on-feminism-in-mode...

Paladin1

Following this story a little I can't help but imagine how torn these women in this case would after reading all the comments people make on social media.  Some of the comments and suggestions people make are just vicious. It's almost like this story is morphing into yet another reality-TV type story to watch.

 

 

howeird beale

Debater wrote:

 

The public broadcaster believes its ownership of the smart phone refutes the former radio star’s claim that he was fired because of how he conducted himself in his “private life.”

“The contents of that phone belong to the CBC — it’s the CBC’s property,” said a source familiar with‎ the situation.

The source says Ghomeshi ‎lied to CBC management when he was asked “eyeball to eyeball” about allegations of violent sexual behaviour being investigated by the Star.

Ghomeshi showed texts and other material to CBC officials to bolster his claim, but the source said they were so shocked by what they read and saw that it had the opposite effect.

 

 

Whatever works. Capone went to jail for tax evasion. I'd sooner see the CBC spend 5 Million bucks defending itself than pay a nickel to this goof to settle his nuisance suit.

Although from the sounds of labour lawyers, his case would be tossed the moment it hit a court. He has about as much likelihood of filing a suit as Doug Ford.

And, as others have pointed out, did the women in the videos "consent" to having private sexual activities played in front of CBC staff?

Sean in Ottawa

MegB wrote:

Calling people out, as jas has pointed out, backfires more often than it succeeds. If you're going to ruin someone's life you'd better have some compelling testimony. You get that compelling testamony by creating a safe environment where women's allegations are taken seriously and fear of re-victimization is minimal.

Unfortunately where you have a patriarchal rape culture, those changes in supports for assaulted women are ploddingly slow, under-funded and always initiated by survivors and their allies, not those with political power, influence and financial resources.

This ought to be the greatest take-away from this. If I flip it to word it the opposite  way: Hope for improvement to the existing patriarchal rape culture absolutely depends on that safe environment.

As we have seen illustrated through this that safe environment includes better reactions from: employers, authorities, colleagues, friends, family, media, public and the justice system. It is neccessary to improve the environment to the point where there is a better expectation, trust, that they will be believed, will not suffer blowback, achieve justice, and have the support of their personal commmunity.

I have wondered how we handle the authorities side of this becuase there is such a great fear of what they will do. Police forces have in many cases departments for violence against women and sexual assualt, criminal sexual harassment. I wonder if there would be a value in having a seperate provincial force that only addressed this with clear and predictable, safe and empowering responses. They would be police officers with all the powers they have but this would be their mandate and they could work with local authorities, workplace structures, etc. but they would bring national standards, training and understandings such that victims would not have to guess what would be the local reaction to a report. They would have specific mandates with respect to victims services and victims rights. They would also be advocates. This would change the nature of reporting and enforcement but it might actually make reporting more effective and a safer choice. They could be a bridge with confidentiality so that a reporting can be made with services available and then the victim could direct what the next steps are including whether or not to take a formal process that would proceed with formal records of names. As I understand some women don't talk to anyone becuase they fear losing control over their report when they may need to access information and suppoert before deciding what they want to do next.

This may sound like a big institution but it is not greater than demand violence against women and sexual assault are common enough to be handled by a provincial police agency. This agency could administratively come under the OPP in Ontario, for example, but be managed seperately on a day-to-day basis.

Just a thought-- perhaps a good idea or perhaps not.

We do need a rethink directed at looking straight as the environemnt as Meg outlines. Obviously the problems are systemic not individual and change must happen at the macro as well as the individual levels.

NDPP

Jian Ghomeshi Hires Lawyer Who Defended Ex AG Michael Bryant

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/11/05/jian_ghomeshi_hires_lawyer_wh...

"As criminal lawyers we represent people who have committed heinous acts. Acts of violence. Acts of depravity. Acts of cruelty. Or as Jian Ghomeshi likes to call it, foreplay,' she said to a crowd of about 450 lawyers, including judges of both the provincial and superior court where his case might be heard if charges are laid.

[Marie] Heinein 'seemed to channel Hannibal Lecter,' Bryant wrote in his 2012 book, 28 Seconds. 'So able was she to find a person's deepest frailties and exploit them.'..."

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

She seems like a piece of work. As for the roomful of colleagues and associates who laughed at her wholly inappropriate jokes, a pox on them all. Again, such actions and events just reinforce why so many women refuse to report their assaults.

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

I think a whole Sexual Harassment section might not be a bad idea.

We have had national media attention on exploitation of aboriginal women and the slave trade, sexual assaults associated with university sports teams (both here and in the US), the Ghomeshi story, and the recent events in the House of Commons. This won't be the end of it.

On this site, issues of sexual harassment and assault have brought out some threads which have been confused and ridiculous. Like the issue of sex workers, sexual harassment and assault involve men. Branching that off from 'feminism' might help 'feminism'.

Lynn B

The Ghomeshi affair is new only for who he was not the subject of violence towards women. For years women in big cities have been in fear of being rape at any time. The "feminist" Ghomeshi did not help the situation.

Debater

Ghomeshi video showed woman's bruises, cracked rib

Wed Nov 12 2014

By: Kevin Donovan

CBC fired host Jian Ghomeshi after he showed them a video depicting bruising on a woman he had dated, apparently caused by a cracked rib, sources have told the Star.

The video was on Ghomeshi’s phone. The scene was the King Street West offices of Denton LLP, a law firm retained by the then Q host who was facing allegations that his alleged rough treatment of women was about to become front page news.

Leading up to the weekend of October 25-26, with Ghomeshi’s professional future hanging in the balance, two CBC executives were invited to the Denton offices to hear and see Ghomeshi’s side of the story.

When CBC executives Chris Boyce and Chuck Thompson left Denton on Thursday, Oct. 23, they reported to their bosses that it was “much bigger than we ever thought,” a source told the Star. Ghomeshi was put on leave of absence that day.

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More:

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/11/12/ghomeshi_video_showed_woman...

 

terrytowel

This week in Now Magazine

Stop the violence. End the silence

In the wake of a series of allegations that former CBC broadcaster Jian Ghomeshi abuses women, Feist announced today that she has pledged $10,000 toward an Indiegogo campaign raising money for a documentary about violence against women. 

"The hidden dynamic of abuse is pervasive and is often shrouded by an uncomfortable politeness between witnesses and the details," Feist says in a press release. "What moves me about Attiya Khan’s concept for A Better Man is the spotlight being given to the abuser." 

A Better Man's abuser is a former partner of the film's writer and co-director, Attiya Khan. In a remarkable, raw trailer on the Indiegogo campaign's page, Khan has a frank discussion with her ex about what she says was daily physical abuse.

The film has also caught the attention of filmmaker and actor Sarah Polley, who is the executive producer on the film.

"A Better Man is one of the most original concepts for a documentary I have ever encountered," Polley says. "I have never seen anyone approach this subject matter from such an original perspective. It is inspiring beyond measure to have witnessed some of the process of the development of this film. I think it will shock, inspire, motivate and heal. It is the film that I am most excited to see in the next couple of years and it is a great honour to be a part of it."

 So far, the film's producers have raised $25,403 of their goal of $75,000.

http://nowtoronto.com/movies/feist-donates-10000-to-film-about-violence-...

Lynn B

Is it true what Cole said in this week's Now that her baby when born was not given a blanket? And 11 minutes later, she was given a choice of blue or pink blankets for her cold baby. Since when do hospitals have blankets other than white?

terrytowel

Lynn B wrote:

Is it true what Cole said in this week's Now that her baby when born was not given a blanket? And 11 minutes later, she was given a choice of blue or pink blankets for her cold baby. Since when do hospitals have blankets other than white?

Cole asked the nurse for a blanket for her newborn baby.

The nurse asked 'Is it a boy or a girl'

Cole ASSUMED the reason for the question was blue or pink blankets. For all we know the nurse might of been asking out curiousity.

Anyways Cole replied "It's a cold baby"

The nurse never said "We have pink or blue blankets, so is your baby a boy or a girl. In fact the nurse never said the words "pink or blue"

Debater

Jian Ghomeshi withdraws lawsuit against CBC

The Canadian Press

Tuesday, November 25, 2014

TORONTO -- Scandal-plagued former radio host Jian Ghomeshi has reached an agreement with the CBC to withdraw his $55-million lawsuit against the public broadcaster, a CBC spokesman said on Tuesday.

Ghomeshi was fired by the CBC last month amid allegations of "abusive behaviour" from numerous women -- claims which he has denied.

The 47-year-old former "Q" radio host launched his lawsuit a day after the termination of his employment, alleging defamation and breach of confidence in his statement of claim.

The CBC then argued in court filings earlier this month that Ghomeshi's allegations were frivolous or vexatious, and urged a court to dismiss the suit.

CBC spokesman Chuck Thompson confirmed that lawyers for both sides have now reached an agreement.

"The suit is being withdrawn with costs in favour of CBC," he said. "He's getting nothing."

Ghomeshi is expected to pay $18,000 in legal costs to the CBC, Thompson said.

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More here:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/jian-ghomeshi-withdraws-lawsuit-against-cbc...

Debater

Wednesday, November 26, 2014

On Friday, October 31, 2014, Toronto Police Service Sex Crimes started an investigation into several allegations of sexual assault. 

On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Jian Ghomeshi, 47, of Toronto, surrendered to police. He was charged with: 

1) four counts of Sexual Assault 

2) Overcome Resistance - Choking 

He is scheduled to appear in court early this afternoon. We will notify the media of the court location well in advance of the appearance. 

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/30572

Debater

Former 'Q' producer Kathryn Borel adds name to workplace allegations against Jian Ghomeshi

 Tuesday, December 2, 2014

For weeks she's been identified only as a "former CBC employee." Now, she has a name. Kathryn Borel used to be a producer on the CBC Radio program "Q", hosted -- at the time -- by Jian Ghomeshi.

She alleges that she was a victim of sexual harassment, and was groped by Jian Ghomeshi.

She also claims she took concerns about the host to her union, and later met with the show's executive producer. She challenges both the union and "Q"'s former executive producer --who say the issue of sexual harassment was never brought to their attention.

Warning: the content of this interview is disturbing; and some of the language used may be offensive.

http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/features/2014/12/02/former-q-producer-kath...

Pondering

How odd is this?

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/cbc-execs-involved-with-ghomeshi-investigat...

TORONTO -- Two high-ranking CBC executives involved with interviewing employees in connection with the Jian Ghomeshi affair have been put on indefinite leave of absence.

Chris Boyce, executive director of CBC-Radio, and Todd Spencer, executive director of human resources and industrial relations for English services, are on leave "until further notice," according to an employee memo distributed Monday.

Monique Marcotte will assume Spencer's responsibilities while Cindy Witten will take over for Boyce.

n November, the CBC said that Boyce, Spencer and director of network talk radio Linda Groen had conducted interviews with "Q" employees about Ghomeshi, the show's host.

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CBC spokesman Chuck Thompson said that Boyce and Spencer's leaves were not voluntary but a "management decision." The departures were related to the Ghomeshi scandal, he said, but declined to elaborate further.
Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/cbc-execs-involved-with-ghomeshi-investigation-put-on-leave-of-absence-1.2174237#ixzz3O1QuWWK0

 

 

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