The Myth of Thanksgiving

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The Myth of Thanksgiving

The Myth of Thanksgiving  -  by Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/11/28/the-myth-of-thanksgiving/

"A day to mourn attempted genocide."

sherpa-finn

Interesting: admirable political sentiments if a rather dubious reading of history. Just for the record ....

- the corporation behind 'the Pilgrims' was not the Virginia Company: the Mass. branch of that company had failed before the Mayflower ever set sail and the Virginia branch failed shortly after they arrived.  The voyage of the Mayflower was actually sponsored by the Company of Merchant Adventurers of London, which had no royal mandate (a la Virginia Co, or Hudson's Bay Co.) but was a privately held mercantile group seeking to profit from commerce. (The Mayfower initiative was not a great commercial success.)

- the Mayflower Pilgrims were not part of a colonizing project under the direction of King James. They were actually religious refugees living in exile (in Holland) who wholly rejected royal authority and the Church of England and were thus considered 'separatists';

- there are two written records of the classic 1621 'first Thanksgiving'. Both are written by settlers (caveat lector) but there is no compelling reason to believe that they significantly misrepresent the status / treatment of "local Natives" as the Pilgrims felt no shame for their actions in this regard. As evidenced by the descriptions in the same settler records of how they stole corn stores from Pokanoket villages during their first hungry winter in Plymouth. So I am not sure on what basis Ortiz suggests that the food at the 1621 celebration (a year of good harvests and ample hunting, from all accounts) was stolen, or that any aboriginal people present were servants -  they were at least fellow celebrants if not actual 'guests'. 

- FWIW, I have seen no evidence that the local aboriginal people served as servants of the Pilgrim colonizers. It is worth remembering that the Pilgrims negotiated a strong and long-term alliance with Massasoit, chief of the Pokanoket (the 'local' band of the Wampanoag people) for their mutual benefit. From the perspective of the Pokanoket, it appears that the relatively few, generally pastoral Pilgrims were the least of their immediate worries, when compared to an-going killer epidemic as well as increasing military incursions by adjoining nations. It is perhaps worth noting that the Pilgrim / Pakanoket alliance lasted fifty years. 

- despite what Ortiz says, official Thanksgiving in the US did not start in 1863 under Abraham Lincoln: annual proclamations declaring national days of thanksgiving had been made by a series of Presidents, starting with George Washington in 1789. 

Bottom-line: the somewhat Disney-style story of the "original" Thanksgiving may not be quite as mythical as Ortiz seems to want us to believe. Indeed, most historians seems to agree that it was indeed an inter-racial three day festival of food, celebration and harmony.

Of course, how that story has been used to manufacture a mythical view of American history is another matter entirely. 

In terms of the Massachusetts colony itsef,  everything 'went south' over the 50 years after that first Thanksgiving. The Pilgrim's tolerance for and dependence on aboriginal peoples diminished dramatically over the ensuing decades as less tolerant English Puritans gradually grew to outnumber the original Pilgrim separatists.  (It must have been somewhat similar to the experience of the Mi'kmaq people of Atlantic Canada, first with Acadian settlers and then British colonial authorities).  

For the Pokanoket band and Wampanoag people, this all ended very badly in 1675 with King Philip's War - which resulted in the deaths of most of the remaining Wampanoag people, with the few survivors then sold into slavery. As a nation, the Wampanoag effectively disappeared.

The first American Thanksgiving may not be as much of a myth as Ortiz states, but rather a fleeting moment of harmony before a long, deep - and genocidal - betrayal.  If someone wants to frame a national narrative (and holiday?) around that - perhaps it would be better to start with either the Mystic Maasacre or Wounded Knee.  

lagatta

Thanks for that; I knew that the first part about the Pilgrims was not accurate as they were refugees in the Netherlands, but have been very busy and not had time to read up on the matter.

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I never bought the story of the Pilgrims sharing a feast with the Natives.

The Pilgrims were the people burning 'witches' at the stake.

How could religious psychopaths live peacefully with a different coloured people? It doesn't make sense.

lagatta

If it did happen, it was a matter of power relations. The pilgrims would have died without Indigenous help and technologies. Their fundamentalist fanaticism reared its head as soon as it was able.

6079_Smith_W

alan smithee wrote:

How could religious psychopaths live peacefully with a different coloured people? It doesn't make sense.

They weren't just one people. Massachussetts Bay was just one colony of many, and in fact only two of the 13 had official religions. Maryland was primarily a Catholic colony, and Rhode Island was started by Roger Williams who was kicked out by those theocrats because he believed in tolerance and fair dealing.

We only hear about the Massachussetts Puritans because of the myth, and the witch trials, of course. All of that was part of the reason why the crown revoked their charter. The Quakers and others? We don't hear about them so much.

 

sherpa-finn

alan smithee wrote: How could religious psychopaths live peacefully with a different coloured people? It doesn't make sense.

Not to be blunt, but it doesn't make sense because you don't know your history.  These two events (Thanksgiving and Salem) took place 70 years apart and involved different sets of people (the separatist Pilgriims and the English Puritans) and two completely different political authorities (self-governing settlers and British colonial authority).

Google 'Pilgrims vs Puritans', -just for fun!

And just to be clear, the original Thanksgiving probably involved less that 50 settlers - as only about 100 had arrived on the Mayflower the previous  autumn, half of whom then died over the course of their first winter, and then the ship and surviving crew members left in the Spring. So it wasn't exactly a Woodstock-sized love-in.  Think more "village harvest festival" we'll bring the corn, you bring the meat.

Then we will all go shopping at the Mall.

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sherpa-finn wrote:

alan smithee wrote: How could religious psychopaths live peacefully with a different coloured people? It doesn't make sense.

Not to be blunt, but it doesn't make sense because you don't know your history.  These two events (Thanksgiving and Salem) took place 70 years apart and involved different sets of people (the separatist Pilgriims and the English Puritans) and two completely different political authorities (self-governing settlers and British colonial authority).

Google 'Pilgrims vs Puritans', -just for fun!

And just to be clear, the original Thanksgiving probably involved less that 50 settlers - as only about 100 had arrived on the Mayflower the previous  autumn, half of whom then died over the course of their first winter, and then the ship and surviving crew members left in the Spring. So it wasn't exactly a Woodstock-sized love-in.  Think more "village harvest festival" we'll bring the corn, you bring the meat.

Then we will all go shopping at the Mall.

Puritan,Pilgrim...doesn't make a difference.Neither were progressive people and they were just as complicit in the genocide of the First Nations People.

And it still doesn't make any sense that either of them would break bread with the Natives. Hence the myth.

You dont even have to open a book to know that.

sherpa-finn

Ignorance is bliss... it makes understanding the world is so much simpler.

(Kinda explains your views on Canadian politics, Mr Smithee!)

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sherpa-finn wrote:

Ignorance is bliss... it makes understanding the world is so much simpler.

(Kinda explains your views on Canadian politics, Mr Smithee!)

Fuck you.

sherpa-finn

Frown

6079_Smith_W

alan smithee wrote:

Puritan,Pilgrim...doesn't make a difference.Neither were progressive people and they were just as complicit in the genocide of the First Nations People.

The last part of that might be true, as it is for all of us settlers (and in fact, I had family at that table).

But the reality isn't quite so simple. As I said, most of the colonies actually weren't hard line theocracies, and there were plenty of people who were thrown out, or executed because they tried to change that system, and events there had more to do with the civil wars back home than politics here.The British crown finally took that power away from the hard-liners in the late 1600s because they were so out of control.

None of that stopped the genocide because it was something that was far more complex, and far more simple at the same time. It wasn't Puritan colonists who initiated the French and Indian War,  the Cherokee removal, or the clearance of the west. It was the nation as a whole.

MegB

alan smithee wrote:

sherpa-finn wrote:

Ignorance is bliss... it makes understanding the world is so much simpler.

(Kinda explains your views on Canadian politics, Mr Smithee!)

Fuck you.

Personal attack, not acceptable.

Caissa

The concept of Thanksgiving clearly pre-dates the Pilgrims. Some argue that it has its roots in Sukkot just as one example.

 

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Caissa wrote:

The concept of Thanksgiving clearly pre-dates the Pilgrims. Some argue that it has its roots in Sukkot just as one example.

 

 

The concept of thanksgiving clearly pre-dates the Inuit. Some argue it has it has its roots before them just as one example.

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MegB wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

sherpa-finn wrote:

Ignorance is bliss... it makes understanding the world is so much simpler.

(Kinda explains your views on Canadian politics, Mr Smithee!)

Fuck you.

Personal attack, not acceptable.

 

Kind of think the (double entendre) might have invited the response, but that's just me.

Caissa

Do you have a fucking problem, RP? You seem to be going out of your way to comment on my posts. I find it ridiculous that we allow the Pilgrims to dominate our images when we consider giving you thanks to whomever for whatever. YMMVB.