Marc and Jodie Emery to campaign for Justin Trudeau and the Liberals

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Tue, 2014-09-02 11:51

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

That was fascinating Sean and very much appreciated. I don't have a problem with it here but I do think it deserves it's own thread. I have a busy day today and even if I didn't I couldn't really respond because it would be more of a learning thread for me, but I would ask questions.

I moved it-- I think with that length it cannot be in two places. But as an article length it is fair to start a conversation. I think it is important as it is a weak issue for both the Liberals and the NDP. Only the Conservatives are really clear on this issue.

Fri, 2014-09-26 02:25

#503

Pondering

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/24/peter-mackay-marijuana-bob-pauls...

Justice Minister Peter MacKay says he disagrees with the head of the RCMP that smoking pot isn't as big a deal as it once was, arguing young people in particular are "very negatively affected" by marijuana use.

RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson was quoted in a news story Wednesday as saying he doesn't think "marijuana usage is as big a deal as it used to be."

"It's still vulnerable to exploitation to organized crime, but you know, less and less as it becomes more and more commercially available," Paulson told Global News.

High time to legalize.

Tue, 2014-10-07 00:37

#504

Debater

Some are wondering whether this RCMP officer was driven to suicide tonight because of the condemnation he faced from his superiors:

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RCMP Cpl. Ron Francis, who smoked marijuana on job, found dead

Oct 06, 2014

A New Brunswick Mountie who made national headlines for smoking medical marijuana while in uniform last year has been found dead.

The death of RCMP Cpl. Ron Francis was confirmed to CBC News by Pat Polchies, a councillor with the Kingsclear First Nation.

Francis's lawyer T.J. Burke said Francis died around 4 o'clock Monday afternoon. There is no word on the cause of death.

Chief Gabriel Atwin of Kingsclear First Nation was emotional as he spoke Monday evening.

"It's a tragic, tragic event," he said. "Tragic loss to our community. Ron was not only a good friend of mine, and a great community member, but also a family member of mine. It's a tragic event."

Francis was a 21-year RCMP veteran who was serving with the force's J Division in Fredericton, and had been facing six criminal charges.

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More here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/rcmp-cpl-ron-francis-who-smo...

Tue, 2014-10-07 01:48

#505

jjuares

Debater wrote:

Some are wondering whether this RCMP officer was driven to suicide tonight because of the condemnation he faced from his superiors:

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RCMP Cpl. Ron Francis, who smoked marijuana on job, found dead

Oct 06, 2014

A New Brunswick Mountie who made national headlines for smoking medical marijuana while in uniform last year has been found dead.

The death of RCMP Cpl. Ron Francis was confirmed to CBC News by Pat Polchies, a councillor with the Kingsclear First Nation.

Francis's lawyer T.J. Burke said Francis died around 4 o'clock Monday afternoon. There is no word on the cause of death.

Chief Gabriel Atwin of Kingsclear First Nation was emotional as he spoke Monday evening.

"It's a tragic, tragic event," he said. "Tragic loss to our community. Ron was not only a good friend of mine, and a great community member, but also a family member of mine. It's a tragic event."

Francis was a 21-year RCMP veteran who was serving with the force's J Division in Fredericton, and had been facing six criminal charges.

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More here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/rcmp-cpl-ron-francis-who-smo...

I don't really want to get down in the slime with you. It will suffice to say that he was facing more than "condemnation". He had a sentencing hearing pending and PTSD. What I really find disgusting is that you would put the death of this man in a political thread promoting your precious Liberal Party. Not everything should be seen as political fodder for your narrow partisan purposes.

Sat, 2014-12-27 14:00

#506

Pondering

Pierre C yr wrote:

They did block the border over an issue they disagreed with actually. It was over stumpage fees.

You cant just block the border when you feel like it you need an excuse. Especially with trade deals in place. Preferably a legal one (tho sometimes a politically touchy issues can serve like the environment over Keystone) and they used such over the lumber issue. If we give them an excuse with outright legalized marijuana they may well clsoe the border to a range of products they will say they fear may help marijuana spread to the US market. Look at what happened when one guy sold seeds to the US. US laws have a long arm.

The border was not blocked over stumpage fees. Duty was applied to lumber coming from Canada.

Marc Emery's extradition happened because Harper wanted it to happen. Notice there was no interference that slowed down the mail because of it.

The U.S. plays fast and loose with the free trade deal we have with them but within the context of their defending that their actions are in compliance with the deal. They didn't make that deal with Canada to be nice to us. They made it so US businesses would profit.

With several states having legalized blocking the border with Canada would be pointless. They won't even have a fight with their own renegate states over it.

Sun, 2014-12-28 15:56

#507

Pierre C yr

Applying duties or tariffs does essentially the same thing as blocking the border. Its just an expression. Fact remains the lumber industry was gutted over the measures the US took against it for years. We dont have several states legalizing marijuana we have 2. And one state also legalized propsitution decades ago which didnt result in its spreading to other states. They cant sell pot to out of state customers and face federal laws still. Including no access to banking making commercialization difficult in the extreme. Things have not moved sufficiently that we can give the US a reason to produce a range of measures that could undermine trade. It would tank the canadian economy.

We dont like it in the NDP and would wish nothing more than to legalize as we always promoted for decades but we arent so stupid as to ignore this. Its one thing to promote its another to implement and today the NDP is cogently aware of the importance of things like trade to the economy.

We need a prudent step by step approach, especially not knowing who will be in power in the US one year after our own federal election, and decriminilization is a good first step.

Sun, 2014-12-28 16:39

#508

Jacob Two-Two

Justin can say whatever he likes because he knows full well he won't be keeping his promises. It's just empty campaigning bullshit. Typical Liberal.

Sun, 2014-12-28 17:10

#509

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I agree,Pierre.

But in politics you have to start agressively as things get watered down to a respectable middle ground.Starting at decriminalization would water the law down to a middle that would see fines (expect large ones)for possession of 'small amounts' And who's to decide what a 'small amount ' is?

To me,Dutch policy would be the middle ground. Possession and sale up to 5 grams is legal..You can personally grow up to 3 - 5 plants legally as well.

Sounds fair and reasonable to me.Decriminalization sounds more like watered down prohibition.

Ýou're right,Mes don't think that King Bush III will veer off from one of his father's legacies ...Junior took care of Daddy's unfinished business in Iraq,you can bet Jeb will try to win another of Bush Sr. 's failed wars...It almost makes Rand Paul look delightful

Sun, 2014-12-28 17:37

#510

thorin_bane

There was no unfinished business in Iraq. Saddam had wanted Opec to move off the Greenback for oil. As did Gaddafi. This isn't just a coincidence. Anyone who messes with not using the greenback as THE international currency usual finds themselves sanctioned, bombed or assassinated. It makes a lot of people very wealthy having to convert to one currency and then another for every transaction. There was a lot of pushback against the Euro too. 800 million people using one strong currency puts up a mjor obstacle for continuing with the US dollar. If you take that away the USD falls a long long way. A lot of its value is because it is the default currency of trade. That WILL change this century because of india and more likely china, but you can bet the US will go down kicking and screaming on this one. I expect a lot of little countries getting even rougher treatment as they attempt to switch to the yuan, which actually makes more sense.

Marc and Jodie Emery to campaign for Justin Trudeau and the Liberals

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