US Vetoes Palestinian Statehood Bid At UN Security Council
http://rt.com/news/217975-unsc-palestine-statehood-vote/
"Last Thursday, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called a UN bid for statehood an 'act of aggression'..."
US Vetoes Palestinian Statehood Bid At UN
Tue, 2014-12-30 17:38
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US Vetoes Palestinian Statehood Bid At UN
Wed, 2014-12-31 11:49
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Why did Abbas seek this defeat instead of working to increase the number of states that recognize Palestine ?
Abbas and his gang are well-paid careerists who are part of the problem. Its not just Palestine Good vs. Israel Evil
Wed, 2014-12-31 22:00
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ikosmos
Its not just Palestine Good vs. Israel Evil
No, it's more Palestinian Good vs. US [and its client state Israel] evil.
Palestine will start an international campaign showcasing the US as “an enemy,” pushing Israeli extremists to carry on with their actions and supporting Israel in everything, Fatah central committee member Abbas Zaki said.Zaki, also the former representative of the Palestine Liberation Organization in Lebanon, told RT Arabic that the latest developments in the UNSC were not a failure for Palestinian diplomacy.
“It’s just the persistent unwillingness of the US administration to give the Palestinian people its lawful right of self-determination. It’s a very dangerous precedent,” he said.
'US an enemy': Palestinian official blasts Washington over UNSC statehood veto
It took 5 decades but eventually the US Empire capitulated to Cuba and opened relations.
Thu, 2015-01-01 02:52
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US Sway Over UNSC Foils Palestine State Bids: Analyst Ralph Schoenman (and vid)
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/12/31/392645/us-sway-over-unsc-foils-...
"Palestinian liberation, Palestinian rights, Palestinian sovereignty and the end of the colonial occupation can only arrive by the removal of the Zionist entity in all of historic Palestine.
Palestine is the touchstone of the resistance to imperialism and that has to continue..."
Thu, 2015-01-01 07:38
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Does "removal of the Zionist entity in all of historic Palestine." mean no more Israel ? No more state where Jews (not Moslems or Christians) are a majority ?
Sounds like it.
Isn't that what Hamas wants ? Isn't that the Arab position back in 1948? Where did that get them ? The jerk that wrote that obviously wasn't a survivor of the Nazi death camps.
Thu, 2015-01-01 16:27
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NS
Rikardo, lets get real ok?
The PA recognizes the state of Israel ,even if not enough Muslim or Arab countries recognize it does not mean they want 'wipe it off the map"
Thats a red herring used to shut down debate
its also played out
Thu, 2015-01-01 17:23
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NS
'No more waiting': Palestinian president signs Rome Statute to join ICC
"Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has signed the Rome Statute, the founding treaty to join the International Criminal Court, a day after the UNSC failed to adopt the Arab coalition’s bid for the creation of a Palestinian state"
http://rt.com/news/218911-palestine-next-steps-bid/
Finally, Palestine can take African despots like Mugabe and Bashir to the ICC for war crimes against the Palestinian people!
Thu, 2015-01-01 19:30
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Hey, Rikardo - you raised a fair point and asked a fair question.
An important point of note: the quotation cited is froma story from PressTV which is the official state broadcaster of the Iranian Gov't. So do not expect Babblers who post such articles to be first in line with "balanced" assessments of Middle East politics.
Though they are inclined to share your rather dismissive view of Abbass, the leader of the Palestinian Authority. But that's another story.
Thu, 2015-01-01 20:46
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Given the shameful and disgusting reality of Zionist influence, power and control in Canada, do not expect me to join these 'balanced assessments' since it is all too obvious on which side that balance is designed to rest and the corrupt condition of the scales used.
Canada Concerned By Dangerous Actions of the Palestine Authority
http://www.cija.ca/canadian-politics/canada-concerned-palestinian-author...
I Am Israel
Hail To the Chief
Fri, 2015-01-02 13:35
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We know that the PA want the 1967 border which would leave Israel as a State, the only state in the world with a Jewish majority and a non-Jewish minority. Some Hamas leaders and Iranians make scary one-state demands as did the PLO long ago. One-state would not be Israel and would have a Jewish minority like Poland or the Ukraine in 1939.
Could some Jewish settler (often New Yorkers, that falsly believe they're on their ancestors' land) choose to remain in a Palestine State ?
Anyone know a POSSIBLE way out of this mess?
Fri, 2015-01-02 14:08
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One-state would not be Israel and would have a Jewish minority like Poland or the Ukraine in 1939.
Or like Canada in 2015. What a tragedy.
Actually, in the Israel of today, are Jews allowed to convert to other religions? Maybe there should be a legal quota on that - otherwise, if enough Jews convert, then Jews could become a minority, and the terrorists would win!
My parents lived through the Holocaust. Don't tell me I need a Jewish majority to be safe. The lesson I learned from them is that racism, ethnocentrism, genocide are evil. No exceptions.
As for removing the "Zionist entity" from all of "historic Palestine", that's just more bullshit from some Iranian propagandists who need a corner of the political spectrum to maintain their dwindling mass support. Such calls are of inestimable value to Netanyahu, Obama, and their ilk, to help keep the Palestinian people enslaved. These are very ugly twin siblings.
Fri, 2015-01-02 14:53
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ikosmos
If two states are made impossible by the actions of Israel then, to paraphrase the expression from Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes, however unlikely the alternative is, it becomes not only likely but the only realistic possibility.
Either that or Israel succeeds with its ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian people.
A single, secular state, with equal rights for everyone, is the only way out.
Fri, 2015-01-02 18:40
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NS
Ikosmos, couldnt agree with you more!
Fri, 2015-01-02 19:15
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NS
We know that the PA want the 1967 border which would leave Israel as a State, the only state in the world with a Jewish majority and a non-Jewish minority. Some Hamas leaders and Iranians make scary one-state demands as did the PLO long ago. One-state would not be Israel and would have a Jewish minority like Poland or the Ukraine in 1939. Could some Jewish settler (often New Yorkers, that falsly believe they're on their ancestors' land) choose to remain in a Palestine State ? Anyone know a POSSIBLE way out of this mess?
Rikardo,
Israel avoids defining borders the same way other states have in 1948 and not since , it is something "everyone knows"
Imagine if Canada or USA had no defined borders? Israel has uniquely undefined borders
Montevideo Convention says a defined territory is a requirement for an existence of a state
With the One State Solution , all the talk of territories and borders would not matter
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/documents-borders-palestine
Fri, 2015-01-02 19:47
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As for removing the "Zionist entity" from all of "historic Palestine", that's just more bullshit from some Iranian propagandists who need a corner of the political spectrum to maintain their dwindling mass support. Such calls are of inestimable value to Netanyahu, Obama, and their ilk, to help keep the Palestinian people enslaved. These are very ugly twin siblings.
More here:
Sun, 2015-01-04 11:11
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CIJA Press Release: UN Security Council Rejects Resolution on Palestinian Statehood
http://www.cija.ca/centre-publications/media/un-security-council-palesti...
Shimon Koffler Fogel, CEO of the Centre For Israel and Jewish Affairs issued the following statement:
"...This latest-and thankfully, failed bid on the part of Mahmoud Abbas is part of a calculated and continuous effort on the part of the PA to avoid negotiations, falsely portray Israel as the inflexible party, and have the international community exert unwarranted pressure on Israel..."
and so it continues...
Mon, 2015-01-05 12:02
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I cernainly appreciete the sincerity of those who believe in "one state". If you compare to Canada where being Jewish isn't much different from being Christian. There are many Christian majority states and muslim ones. But only one Jewish. We Canadian Christians or ex-Christians don't even consider Canada as "Christian" but that is the majority. Wait for some statistic that shown that Christians are a minority. Being a minority in Europe often turned very ugly from the Non-Christian Jewish minority. Any wonder that some of them, like Herzl, wanted a "Jewish State" especially after 1945.?
Mon, 2015-01-05 13:23
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I cernainly appreciete the sincerity of those who believe in "one state". If you compare to Canada where being Jewish isn't much different from being Christian. There are many Christian majority states and muslim ones. But only one Jewish. We Canadian Christians or ex-Christians don't even consider Canada as "Christian" but that is the majority. Wait for some statistic that shown that Christians are a minority. Being a minority in Europe often turned very ugly from the Non-Christian Jewish minority. Any wonder that some of them, like Herzl, wanted a "Jewish State" especially after 1945.?
Right, and I believe the LGBTQ victims of Hitler are also organizing to find some patch of earth somewhere, expel or exterminate the indigenous population, and set up their own LGBTQ state. Likewise for the Roma. And those with mental illness issues.
You never explained what would happen if many members of the Jewish majority decided to become Muslim, or atheists. Would you expel a portion to restore the proper percentages? Or force-convert them back? Or import more Jews? Or is "Jewish" some genetic thing you're born with?
Mon, 2015-01-05 13:55
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"Jewish" is cernainly not genetic (I've read Koesler and S. Sand) but religous and identity. Some Jews seem to feel they need a "refuge" , others not. Don't compare "Jewish" with LGBTQ or anything except Christina, Muslim, Hindu.
I'm not Jewish, as if that mattered.
Mon, 2015-01-05 14:10
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You seem uncomfortable with my questions, so I'll repeat them annoyingly:
You never explained what would happen if many members of the Jewish majority decided to become Muslim, or atheists. Would you expel a portion to restore the proper percentages? Or force-convert them back? Or import more Jews?
Or barring immigration by non-Jews?
Mon, 2015-01-05 16:07
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Misfit
@Rikardo, why are we not supossed to compare Jewish with LGBTQ?
Tue, 2015-01-06 10:47
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Do you think religion is the same as sexual-orientation? Read the last 2-3 thousand years of history. 'jewish" is identiry as well as actual religion. Schlomo Sand says he's not Jewish. He'd have been in the death camps anyway.
Sure a Jewish Israeli can convert to Christianity. But still any Jew can go to Israel. No?