Funny how ndpers are defending a poll when they r behind, but when trudeau is a bit behind , but still ahead of Harper, they claim that trudeaumania is over.And then again, its really a poll with a sample size of 300, which is a very small sample size, since there are 33% undecided.
I highly suspect that demographic are the Olivier sympathizers who are waiting to see if he can pull it off before voting for the NDP.
Voter motivation is going to be key. I suspect both Olivier and Shawbonquit are in for a substantial ballot box bonus on E-day.
Sudbury By-Election, 2015
Wed, 2015-01-28 12:14
#202
Wed, 2015-01-28 15:09
#203
Wynne is afraid of an independent investigation. Why?
NDP, Liberals spar over Elections Ontario investigation
By: Darren MacDonald - Sudbury Northern Life
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NDP Leader Andrea Horwath says Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne is “not telling the truth” when she says there's a non-partisan process in place to deal with the results of an Elections Ontario investigation. Photo by Arron Pickard.
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Emailorwath says Wynne 'not telling the truth' while Grits say NDP is playing political gamesOntario Premier Kathleen Wynne is “not telling the truth” when she says there's a non-partisan process in place to deal with the results of an Elections Ontario investigation, says NDP Leader Andrea Horwath.
But the Liberals say Horwath knows better and is just throwing out accusations to boost their chances of winning the Feb. 5 byelection.
In a recent interview with NorthernLife.ca, Horwath repeated calls for an independent prosecutor to deal with the results of an investigation into an incident in Sudbury in December.
http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/28-horwath-investigati...
Wed, 2015-01-28 15:37
#204
All those claiming I am liberal need to know that I had a NDP lawn sign during the 2014 Ontario Election. I can show a photo to prove it.
Wed, 2015-01-28 17:07
#205
aj,
Just relax, you are welcome here but tone it down will you please.
You have as much right to express your views here as anyone else but just try, and I know it can be challenging, to not personalize matters with other posters. You are also relatively new here so let others get a chance to know you better, and for you to get to know us. Deal?
Regards,
Wed, 2015-01-28 17:36
#206
well whenever I make legitimate criticism of the NDP, everyone denies it, and calls me a paid liberal.aj,
Just relax, you are welcome here but tone it down will you please.
You have as much right to express your views here as anyone else but just try, and I know it can be challenging, to not personalize matters with other posters. You are also relatively new here so let others get a chance to know you better, and for you to get to know us. Deal?
Regards,
Wed, 2015-01-28 18:25
#207
Maybe bashing the NDP and then saying you had an NDP sign on your lawn is a red flag here, because we have seen a lot of that type of thing before.
Maybe it is just the history here of right-wingers, non-progressive folks coming here professing to be progressive, etc. when they aren't.
It is important for you to be aware of at least some of the history here before you jump in with both feet.
As I personally say, and of course I only speak for myself, you are welcome here, but my advice is to slow down a bit and get to know us.
Anyway nuff said.
Wed, 2015-01-28 18:27
#208
Shawbonquit: Health-care system failing many Sudburians
By: Heidi Ulrichsen - Sudbury Northern Life
Sudbury NDP byelection candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit (right) chats with Susan Malette, who had part of her left leg amputated in September. Malette said the wound isn't healing well, and she's on a waiting list for a vacuum pump that would help. Photo by Heidi Ulrichsen.
PrintEmailThe story of 54-year-old Sudbury woman who's on a waiting list for crucial medical equipment illustrates how the province's health-care system is failing citizens, said NDP byelection candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit.
Susan Malette had part of her left leg amputated in September after a bout with osteomyelitis. She's also had several smaller surgeries on the leg since. But the wound isn't healing well.
Since last month, she's been on a Community Care Access Centre waiting list for a vacuum pump to remove fluids from the wound.
Malette, who's currently on leave from her job at the Taxation Data Centre, said she's currently 20th on the waiting list for the medical equipment, which would help her wound heal faster.
Because the slow healing process has prevented her from being fitted with a prosthetic leg, she's been putting a lot of pressure on her remaining leg, which has now developed worrisome sores.
Malette said she fears she'll soon lose her remaining leg, too.
http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/28-ndp-failing-health-...
Wed, 2015-01-28 18:33
#209
Well, I suppose one can't get a bigger endorsement than this . . .
Jean Chrétien endorses Sudbury's Glenn Thibeault
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/jean-chrétien-endorses-sudbury-s-glenn-thibeault-steelworkers-go-on-attack-1.2935189
Wed, 2015-01-28 18:42
#210
Hold the press! Hold the press! Liberals are supporting other Liberals. 
Wed, 2015-01-28 19:19
#211
The United Steelworkers are now running what i think is a VERY effective radio ad in Sudbury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=447WaZRWpRQ
Wed, 2015-01-28 21:07
#212
How Sudbury overtook Toronto as Ontario’s capital
A byelection battle pits two mutually antagonistic party leaders in a high stakes showdown that can’t sink much lower.
Wed, 2015-01-28 21:47
#213
Wed, 2015-01-28 21:59
#214
Sweet! 
NDP in Sudbury stress 'ethics and honesty'
By Ben Leeson, Sudbury Star
Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:14:10 EST
Suzanne Shawbonquit says Sudbury is better off with an NDP voice in opposition than a Liberal voice in government.
Shawbonquit, whom polls suggest is the chief rival to Liberal Glenn Thibeault in the Feb. 5 provincial byelection, doesn't buy the argument that Thibeault would serve the riding better because his party is in government.
"That's the problem, right?" Shawbonquit said, during a live question-and-answer session hosted on the Star's website Tuesday morning.
"Ten years, my God - we have seen their track record of broken promises and of scandal after scandal, billions of dollars wasted, terrible decision-making."
Shawbonquit pointed to the controversial appointment of erstwhile NDP MP Thibeault over former Liberal candidate Andrew Olivier, who says Grit staffers offered him incentives to support Thibeault, as a show of the party's "true colours."
Premier Kathleen Wynne appointed Thibeault to run, something she had the authority to do, but which Shawbonquit feels was undemocratic and spoke to a sense of entitlement.
"They created craziness here," Shawbonquit said. "They totally disrespect the citizens of Sudbury in that they wouldn't even (follow) the way of a democracy and vote someone in. They just move someone in, that they plopped in, and our city had no choice but to accept the candidate.
"It's going to come down to ethics and honesty. People are looking for honesty. To test the true character of a person is to give them power or influence or money. It's interesting how some people can be seduced by power. We saw that with Glenn Thibeault and we saw it with the Liberals. There's a very clear, distinct difference between the two, in terms of the Liberals and the New Democrats. There's a clear difference between what we'll fight for and what they feel they're entitled to."
Despite those differences, however, she insisted she would work well alongside members of the other parties.
"I'm a huge believer in collaboration," Shawbonquit said. "If it's right thing that our city wants, absolutely."
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/28/ndp-in-sudbury-stress-ethics-an...
Wed, 2015-01-28 22:55
#215
Read this shit. Unbelievable! This is the behavior of the government of Canada's most populous province. 
Great job though being done obviously by Andrea Horwath.
Sudbury politics far from boring this byelection
And the story is far from over.
Wynne and Sorbara, who both phoned Olivier, as well as their star candidate, Thibeault, were to meet with Elections Ontario about Olivier's allegations this week. There's no word on whether Lougheed, whom Olivier called a Liberal king-maker, has spoken with the election watchdog, but the assumption is he has or he will.
Olivier didn't complain to Elections Ontario. New Democrat MPP Gilles Bisson did, seconded by Progressive Conservative MPP Steven Clark.
Bisson also echoed Clark's request for an Ontario Provincial Police investigation.
Since Olivier released two recordings -- many think he has a third with Wynne he hasn't made public -- opinion has been deeply divided on whether he did the right thing. Whatever your view, they seem to have lit a fire under Elections Ontario and the OPP, and now are part of the evidence in their investigations.
The Liberals insist Olivier's allegations are false and Elections Ontario will see it that way after talking with Wynne, Sorbara and company.
Thibeault says voters he's meeting at the door and on the street don't consider the matter a big deal and want to talk issues instead.
The Sudbury Star asked readers last week what ranked highest on their priority list, the local economy, honesty, widening Hwy. 69 and upgrading Maley Dr., health care or other issues.
Honesty topped the list with Star poll respondents, with the local economy a close second. The two roads projects, which Liberals have been dangling for decades, garnered fewer than half as many votes as the first two. The results of the weekly poll are hardly scientific, but they do provide a window into what some people believe matters.
The latest development Monday was news Madeleine Meilleur wouldn't be attending a Tuesday meet-and-greet for Thibeault as scheduled. Critics suggested it was inappropriate for the attorney general, to whom Elections Ontario and the OPP ultimately report, to be rallying the troops at a Team Thibeault event. Nothing to it, scoffed the premier in Sudbury last week, accusing the opposition parties of making political hay out of a non-issue.
With every day in Sudbury provincial byelection politics feeling like a month in "real time," it's impossible to predict what will happen in the next nine days.
Some can't get enough of this soap opera. Others just want it to be done.
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/27/sudbury-politics-far-from-borin...
Wed, 2015-01-28 23:00
#216
Liberals ignored spirit of the law in Sudbury
Politicians think if they don’t get caught breaking the law, they’re laughing.
But the public has a right to expect a higher standard of politicians.
Whatever happened to obeying the spirit of the law, of acting in ways that are above reproach?
This brings us to the Elections Ontario and OPP investigations into whether Premier Kathleen Wynne and two other Liberals improperly offered paraplegic Andrew Olivier a job or appointment not to seek the Liberal nomination in the Sudbury byelection.
Wynne says she never made a “specific” offer to Olivier and since she’d already told him he wasn’t going to be the Liberal candidate, she wasn’t inducing him to run or not to run.
Wynne campaign director Pat Sorbara, in a conversation which Olivier taped, tells him: “If you, for example, wanted to be on the executive of the Ontario Liberal Party, that would give you a voice at the party level … if there are other things you’re particularly interested in which is within her (Wynne’s) realm to make you part of, she is more than prepared to do that.”
Sorbara denies that was an offer to Olivier.
Gerry Lougheed, another Liberal and chair of the Sudbury Police Services Board, says in a recorded conversation with Olivier: “The premier wants to talk to you. We would like to present to you options in terms of appointments, jobs, whatever.”
After the tape became public, Lougheed said in a statement: “At no time did I make promises to Andrew there would be a job or an appointment in it for him if he stepped aside.”
If Olivier taped his conversation with Wynne, it hasn’t surfaced.
The OPP initially said no charges would be laid before the tapes became public and they decided to take a second look.
It’s up to the OPP and Elections Ontario, which is to question Wynne and Sorbara this week, to decide if anyone should be charged.
But it’s obvious Wynne and Co. weren’t complying with the spirit of the law in their dealings with Olivier, who appears only to have wanted to run for the Liberal nomination against Wynne’s preferred candidate, turncoat NDP federal MP Glenn Thibeault.
In the court of public opinion, they’ve already failed the integrity test.
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/28/liberals-ignored-spirit-of-the-...
Wed, 2015-01-28 23:06
#217
Does anyone else think this story is gathering legs and could lead to the beginning of the end for Wynne?
Liberals ignored spirit of the law in Sudbury
Politicians think if they don’t get caught breaking the law, they’re laughing.
But the public has a right to expect a higher standard of politicians.
Whatever happened to obeying the spirit of the law, of acting in ways that are above reproach?
This brings us to the Elections Ontario and OPP investigations into whether Premier Kathleen Wynne and two other Liberals improperly offered paraplegic Andrew Olivier a job or appointment not to seek the Liberal nomination in the Sudbury byelection.
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It’s up to the OPP and Elections Ontario, which is to question Wynne and Sorbara this week, to decide if anyone should be charged.
But it’s obvious Wynne and Co. weren’t complying with the spirit of the law in their dealings with Olivier, who appears only to have wanted to run for the Liberal nomination against Wynne’s preferred candidate, turncoat NDP federal MP Glenn Thibeault.
In the court of public opinion, they’ve already failed the integrity test.
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/28/liberals-ignored-spirit-of-the-...
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Wed, 2015-01-28 23:59
#218
Check out this USW ad entitled 'Glynn Thibeault Election Scandal'!
Glynn? That's usually a Welsh name, not a Franco-Ontarian one. 
Thu, 2015-01-29 00:01
#219
Obviously the NDP is throwing a lot of mud and hoping something will stick, but they also look a bit desperate.
Tom Mulcair even tried to bring up the Sudbury by-election in the House on Tuesday -- something which reporters pointed out had nothing to do with Question Period.
Thu, 2015-01-29 00:30
#220
Check out this USW ad entitled 'Glenn Thibeault Election Scandal'!
Thu, 2015-01-29 00:32
#221
So right-wing Liberal supporting reporters decide what is allowed in Question Period now? Interesting!
Obviously the NDP is throwing a lot of mud and hoping something will stick, but they also look a bit desperate.
Tom Mulcair even tried to bring up the Sudbury by-election in the House on Tuesday -- something which reporters pointed out had nothing to do with Question Period.
Thu, 2015-01-29 10:29
#222
College of Trades cash grab: Sudbury PC candidate
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/29/college-of-trades-cash-grab-sud...
Thu, 2015-01-29 17:45
#223
Horwath makes her pitch to keep Sudbury orange
By: Darren MacDonald - Sudbury Northern Life
| Jan 29,
NDP Leader Andrea Horwath has been in Sudbury several times ahead of the Feb. 5 byelection, trying to help the NDP retain a seat it wrested from the Liberals in the June election. Photo by Arron Pickard.
PrintEmailays New Democrat MPPs have made impact on issues key to Northerners NDP Leader Andrea Horwath is blasting the government for implying electing a Liberal in the Feb. 5 byelection will mean more provincial money for Sudbury.
“It is a very cynical ploy,” Horwath said in a recent interview. “That's the perception the Liberals try to sell, right? And I say shame on them for that. They try to sell this idea that somehow by electing another Liberal yes-man, that somehow it's going to make a difference in the community.
“But we know this is what Liberals do. It's the same thing they did, frankly, when they pushed (Andrew) Olivier out of the race. They offer you the sun and the moon and the stars in hopes that you'll … do what they want you to do.”
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And if Premier Kathleen Wynne is serious about funding projects here, Horwath said she shouldn't hold voters “ransom” until after the election.
“If Kathleen Wynne is serious about Maley Drive, and is serious about a PET scanner here, I dare her to make those announcements now,” she said.
“Make them during the campaign. Don't wait till the campaign is over. Don't hold the people of Sudbury ransom in a byelection campaign. It's reprehensible, it's unseemly and it's the most base type of politics. It does make people cynical.”
And she argued that it has been the NDP's northern caucus that has brought to light a number of issues that forced the government to act.
http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/29-horwath-cynicism.aspx
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Fri, 2015-01-30 03:05
#224
Mulcair slams Thibeault as 'beneath contempt'
Members of his caucus are more sad than bitter former Sudbury MP Glenn Thibeault defected from the New Democrats to become the appointed Liberal candidate in a Sudbury byelection, says Thomas Mulcair.
Thibeault's behaviour is "beneath contempt," said the federal NDP leader, and he's coming to Sudbury to warn people not to vote for the man he calls a turncoat.
Mulcair will attend a rally Friday in support of Sudbury NDP byelection candidate Suzanne Shawbonquit. Other high-profile New Democrats will join him there.
The NDP leader said he was "gob-smacked" when he received an email from Thibeault, the morning Wynne announced she had appointed him to run in Sudbury, saying he was quitting the party and federal politics.
Thibeault wrote, "I just wanted you to know about this," Mulcair said during an interview from Ottawa. It was the last time they had any contact.
The two men had talked just 36 hours before Mulcair received that email. He spoke with Thibeault on Dec. 14 to discuss specifics about an issue important to the NDP in the new year. They had a long chat and were on the same wave length, said Mulcair.
Thibeault said Thursday he expressed a number of concerns to Mulcair in that conversation. "So while he's not saying what those were, they were expressed to him," said Thibeault of his former party leader.
Two things about the way Thibeault quit the party bother him and caucus members the most, said Mulcair.
One is the claim by Thibeault he left the party because the NDP is too driven by the top.
Federal NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair.
"Sorry, Glenn, you were the caucus chair. That would have put you pretty darned close to the top. What are you talking about?" Mulcair asked in a telephone interview.
Thibeault served as caucus chair for 10 months before resigning from that position a few months before leaving the party. Mulcair said he spoke with Thibeault every week when he was caucus chair about issues that would be discussed at caucus meetings.
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/30/mulcair-slams-thibeault-as-bene...
Fri, 2015-01-30 10:56
#225
Final Sudbury debate lively, at times fiery
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/30/final-sudbury-debate-lively-at-...
Fri, 2015-01-30 10:57
#226
Integrity questions dominate final Sudbury byelection debate
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/integrity-questions-dominate-final...
Fri, 2015-01-30 14:05
#227
Olivier, Shawbonquit go on offensive against Thibeault
http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/30-debate.aspx
Fri, 2015-01-30 14:07
#228
Provincial, federal NDP leaders in town to back Shawbonquit
Horwath, Mulcair to appear at several campaign stops today
http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/30-ndp-sked.aspx
Fri, 2015-01-30 16:58
#229
Hopefully Horwath & Mulcair will campaign better in Sudbury than they did in the elections last year. So far both have had trouble getting voters to show up at the ballot box.
Fri, 2015-01-30 17:01
#230
Update today from Eric Grenier at 308:
Sudbury still Lean OLP
The provincial polling that has been done since the last general vote has been generally favourable to the Liberals, in that they have mostly kept their place while the NDP has slipped back. That should make Sudbury liable for a flip, but the race has been so close over the last two elections that it stands to be the case again when the by-election is called. It also stands to be dominated by local factors, as is often the case in northern Ontario.
In particular, the candidacy of former NDP MP Glenn Thibeault. At issue is that he has defected from the federal NDP to the provincial Liberals, and that there is some internal discord within the OLP over Thibeault's candidacy at the expense of Andrew Olivier, who ran in 2014. He will stand as an independent candidate. The question is whether Thibeault is an asset for the Liberals or, due to his floor-crossing and nomination issues, a liability.
http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/by-election-barometer.html
Fri, 2015-01-30 17:06
#231
FRIDAY, JANUARY 30, 2015
What are the polls really showing in Sudbury?
There are many reasons to trust Oraclepoll's numbers more than Forum's. Here's why.
Firstly, Forum is based out of Toronto and Oraclepoll is based out of Sudbury. Right out of the gate, the local firm has an advantage both in terms of local knowledge and a local area code showing up on the caller ID.
Secondly, and most importantly, Oraclepoll is conducting a superior survey. Forum is doing its polls via IVR, as it always does. It jumps into the field for a few hours on one evening, gathers its 500 to 800 responses, and reports the numbers a day or two later (response rates being what they are for Forum, it probably needs to call 25,000 to 80,000 households to get even those small samples).
. . .
Due to the advantages that Oraclepoll's survey has over Forum's (not to mention the poor record Forum has in by-elections outside of Toronto), the benefit of the doubt should probably go to Oraclepoll. And that's even with the smaller sample size (the margin of error of decided voters would be just under +/- 6%).
If we use that margin of error to estimate support ranges, we'd get Thibeault at between 36% and 47%, Shawbonquit at between 21% and 31%, Olivier between 16% and 25%, and Peroni between 5% and 11%. That is probably as close as we can get to the truth at this stage of the campaign, which will come to a merciful end on Thursday.
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More here:
http://www.threehundredeight.com/2015/01/what-are-polls-really-showing-i...
Fri, 2015-01-30 18:08
#232
Mulcair focuses attacks on Thibeault during Sudbury visit
By: Darren MacDonald - Sudbury Northern Life
| Jan 30, 2015 - 4:55 PM | 3
http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/30-mulcair-visit-sudbu...
Fri, 2015-01-30 19:45
#233
The Liberal approach. Lie, deceive, mislead.
When they are called on it, they say what are you talking about?
Fri, 2015-01-30 23:13
#234
Quite the contrast with you know who. Classy!
Loewenberg backing Shawbonquit in NDP race
Anyone who thought Sudbury politics couldn't get any more convoluted hasn't been paying attention.
A New Democrat who was seeking the nomination to run in a provincial byelection in Sudbury has withdrawn his name from that race, and asked his supporters to back newcomer Suzanne Shawbonquit.
Paul Loewenberg, who came within 501 votes of defeating long-time Liberal MPP Rick Bartolucci in the 2011 provincial election, said he believes Shawbonquit's experience and entrepreneurial background make her a perfect candidate.
The announcement was made Sunday afternoon at the restaurant Loewenberg manages, the Laughing Buddha, and was attended by a who's who of NDP supporters.
Timmins James Bay NDP MP Charlie Angus introduced Loewenberg, who started by urging NDP supporters not to worry. There would be a happy outcome to his announcement.
Loewenberg said he will seek the nomination to run for the NDP federally in either a byelection or general election to be held later this year.
Three other people are still seeking the nomination for the provincial byelection. It will be decided at a meeting Jan. 11 at the Steelworkers' Hall.
Former NDP candidate and longtime Big Brothers Big Sisters executive director Dave Battaino, businessman and former Sudbury mayoral candidate John Caruso and Jesse Gaudet, who ran for council in the last municipal election, are asking members to support their bid for nomination.
None of the three attended Sunday's gathering of about 100 people, among them former long-time Sudbury East New Democrat MPP Elie Martel. It was supposed to be a meet-and-greet with Shawbonquit.
Shawbonquit and Loewenberg have known each other for 20 years, and have worked together for years for Northern Lights Festival Boreal.
Shawbonquit has worked in the television and film industry, been active in not-for-profit organizations and in running a consulting firm. She told a packed audience that she brings integrity, fairness and a sense of social justice to the table.
Politics does not have to be cut-throat, said Shawbonquit, "nor do we have to buy into corruption," she said.
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/04/loewenberg-backing-shawbonquit-...
Sat, 2015-01-31 04:34
#235
That's an article from nearly a month ago. It's about Loewenberg backing Shawbonquit for the NDP nomination. It took place weeks ago.
Doesn't look like Loewenberg is necessarily giving much up though since he is running for the Federal NDP nomination in the riding.
Not sure what its significance is at this point.
Less than a week to go until Sudbury E-Day!
Sat, 2015-01-31 11:28
#236
But the point is that if some of the people who voted for Cimino/ONDP last year switch to Thibeault/OLP this year, it could make the difference in what could be a close race.
Similarly, if a number of people who supported the OLP candidate in the 2014 campaign shift to the NDP this time, it could make what Wynne thought would be a shoo-in victory to turn into defeat, by the bone-heanded move of refusing to allow local Liberals to have a say in who their candidate should be.
I think the entire Liberal riding executive quitting is a good indication that the imposition by Toronto forces of the Liberal candidate on Sudbury is evidence that even Debater would have trouble disputing as significant.
As well, I note that [url=http://unifor-declares-support-for-sudbury-by-election-ndp-candidate]Unifor is endorsing Shawbonquit in this by-election[/url]. Unifor has had a practice of sometimes endorsing Liberals with a chance of winning over New Democrats even in races where the Conservative was in a distant third (the Windsor West provincial campaign in the 2014 provincial election springs to mind, where the only incumbent cabinet minister went down to defeat in that campaign). This is another indication of, as Debater put it, people switching from earlier support to have a major impact on the race.
Sat, 2015-01-31 11:30
#237
Oh yeah. I just realised that no one posted here that [url=http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/17/sudbury-liberals-to-elect-new-e... entire Sudbury Liberal riding association executive quit[/url] while the current by-election has been underway.
(When one disgruntled NDP executive member in Scarborough quit the NDP over the selection of a by-election candidate, the Toronto Star wrote story after story about her complaints. When an entire Liberal riding association executive and a northern Ontario regional Vice-President quit over a candidate selection dispute, the Toronto Star can't be bothered to mention it once, even though it continues to cover the Sudbury by-election. Just another reason why I see the Toronto Star as the voice of the Liberal Party and no longer buy it.)
Sat, 2015-01-31 11:30
#238
Sudbury's 'sexy' byelection
Verrelli noted how Olivier got "ahead of the story," forcing the premier's hand to announce the Thibeault appointment.
There is a great deal of conversation in the community and in Verrelli's classes about whether people should vote for the person or the party in this election, and the importance of having an elected representative from the ruling party represent the city.
"Something tells me this election is about the person," she said.
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/31/accent-sudburys--sexy-byelection
Sat, 2015-01-31 12:03
#239
"Politics should be positive," Glenn Thibeault said.
"The negativity coming specifically from NDP is clear example why I had to leave NDP."
When [url=http://www.ctvnews.ca/critics-blast-oda-s-swanky-hotel-stay-16-orange-ju... Oda[/url] ordered a $16 glass of orange juice, Liberals (and supporters of all parties except Oda's Conservative Party) were glad to criticise her personally, saying things like her poor choices demonstrated how Conservatives took ordinary people for granted.
When Terry and Liberals complain that a contest is too negative, they are acknowledging that their preferred candidate wants to run away from his poor choices -- refusing to seek a contested local nomination meeting and pretending to not know that he had already qualified for a MP pension when first asked by a local reporter about the issue, as two prominent examples in the local press -- and complain that other parties are doing exactly what Liberals do when it suits Liberals.
Sat, 2015-01-31 12:14
#240
Not only did Thibeault refuse to seek the nomination if Sudbury Liberals were to choose their own candidate, I now see that [url=http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/01/27-liberal-riding-asso... announced who would be allowed to be on the Sudbury Liberal riding association before the meeting even was held![/url] My how Liberals actually practice democracy!
Sat, 2015-01-31 12:21
#241
You're entirely right, Robo, about the Star's lack of balance in endlessly touting a single NDP resignation in Guildwood while ignoring the resignation of the entire Liberal riding executive in Sudbury.
The anti-NDP bias in the Star in the last provincial election made Sun media look objective. Almost every day, and often several times in the same issue, there were both stories and columns that slammed the NDP from every angle. Most glaring was the constant publicizing of the letter signed by the so-called "Group of 37." The Star made it seem that there was wholesale revolt in the NDP even though only 4 of the 37 were even members of the party.
The Star postures as a progresive editorial voice but its actions show that in the crunch it only serves the Liberal Party, no matter how regressive it is.
We can expect the Star to do everything it can to undermine Tom Mulcair in order to promote an increasingly right-wing Justin Trudeau.
Sat, 2015-01-31 13:34
#242
Sat, 2015-01-31 16:38
#243
The Star endorsed the Federal NDP in the 2011 Election.
Why would The Star give a lot of coverage to the Sudbury by-election? Sudbury is not Toronto. The Sudbury papers have already extensively reported on the Liberal riding executive objecting to Kathleen Wynne's handling of the nomination.
Tom Mulcair is proposing tax cuts and La Presse reports that he is open to supporting Stephen Harper's anti-terrorism bill. What about the increasingly right-wing Tom Mulcair?
Sat, 2015-01-31 17:29
#244
Agreed.
You're entirely right, Robo, about the Star's lack of balance in endlessly touting a single NDP resignation in Guildwood while ignoring the resignation of the entire Liberal riding executive in Sudbury.
The anti-NDP bias in the Star in the last provincial election made Sun media look objective. Almost every day, and often several times in the same issue, there were both stories and columns that slammed the NDP from every angle. Most glaring was the constant publicizing of the letter signed by the so-called "Group of 37." The Star made it seem that there was wholesale revolt in the NDP even though only 4 of the 37 were even members of the party.
The Star postures as a progresive editorial voice but its actions show that in the crunch it only serves the Liberal Party, no matter how regressive it is.
We can expect the Star to do everything it can to undermine Tom Mulcair in order to promote an increasingly right-wing Justin Trudeau.
Sat, 2015-01-31 18:14
#245
From the links provided it looks to me like Thibeault has this one in the bag. The bitterness of Mulcair and the NDP will reflect poorly on them rather than harm Thibeault.
Sat, 2015-01-31 18:26
#246
Good luck to all the candidates, my prediction is that a human being will be elected in sudbury. Vacation time!
Sat, 2015-01-31 18:52
#247
Enjoy aj.
So how's it going to go.
If Elections Ontario has the goods on The Liberals they will delay their report untril after the by-election, and if they don't have the goods on the Liberals they will make an announcement before Feb 5
Sudbury's messy byelection
http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/31/opinion-sudburys-messy-byelection
Sat, 2015-01-31 19:26
#248
Liberals and lies
http://www.insidebelleville.com/news-story/5248837-liberals-and-lies/
Sat, 2015-01-31 20:22
#249
The Star endorsed the Federal NDP in the 2011 Election.
Why would The Star give a lot of coverage to the Sudbury by-election? Sudbury is not Toronto. The Sudbury papers have already extensively reported on the Liberal riding executive objecting to Kathleen Wynne's handling of the nomination. ...
(1) It took the horror of the "Ignatieff suicide campaign" to get the Star editorial board to advise its readers to vote something other than Liberal. That is hardly an indication that they are not the go to source for Liberal party talking points.
(2) The Toronto Star has been covering the Sudbury by-election on a regular basis; the Sudbury by-election has shown up at least twice weekly in the Toronto Star. Nothing about the [url=http://www.thesudburystar.com/2015/01/17/sudbury-liberals-to-elect-new-e... of the local dispute on choosing the Liberal candidate[/url] has shown up in the Toronto Star -- by compariosn, one NDP riding executive member expressing her opinion in Scarborough Guildwood was covered repeatedly in the Toronto Star. This is how the Toronto Star approaches news -- "if this fact hurts the Liberal line, we ignore it".
Sat, 2015-01-31 21:03
#250
The Star has been particularly bad lately.
At least Ian Urquhart made a show of being objective and fair, even if we knew where he was going to lead you.
Jim Coyle didn't really make much of an effort to hide his leanings but at least he had a few surprises up his sleeve with some out of the blue opinions.
Martin Regg Cohn, though, is just an embarassment. He has confused analysis with contempt. Maybe he's bitter about no longer being posted in Beijing, I don't know. I know that the Queen's Park beat is not considered a top posting at the Star. He strikes me as very unhappy.
I also agree with Pondering that Thibeault seems to have this one in the bag, but this ordeal looks bad on all of the parties - the NDP for nominating a flake, the Liberals for seeming corrupt, Thibeault for being an opportunist, Wynne for being sneakey, Mulcair for having such a leading figure bolt.
What will be interesting is whether Olivier rejoins the Liberal fold after this. That would be very telling.
The thing is, I bet the Liberals would have won this by election without appointing Thibeault and trying to buy off Olivier.
Sat, 2015-01-31 22:48
#251
montrealer58
Being the Liberal rag, the Star also has to contain flak for scammy mining promoters, their law firms, and the senior Liberal politicians who work in these law firms. Through diversionary tactics at 1 Yonge St., 44 King St. W. makes out like a bandit.