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Geoff

Pondering wrote:

Geoff wrote:

Given that Trudeau has climbed into bed with Harper on an issue as fundamental to the country as the so-called anti-terror bill, what difference does it make which party Eve Adams runs for?

Has Mulcair opposed it?

Yes, as far as I know.  If he were to support it, I guess the Marxist-Leninists would be my next stop. 

josh

Pondering wrote:

Geoff wrote:

Given that Trudeau has climbed into bed with Harper on an issue as fundamental to the country as the so-called anti-terror bill, what difference does it make which party Eve Adams runs for?

Has Mulcair opposed it?

He's too busy putting his finger to the wind apparently.

Geoff
josh

Geoff wrote:

Here's an article from the Toronto Star on Mulcair's opposition to the bill: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/05/ndp-opposition-to-anti-terror-bill-a-test-of-party-mettle-tim-harper.html

When/If he announces a definitive no, then he'll be deserving of credit.

NorthReport

Your right-wing hero Trudeau is right in there like a dirty shirt with Harper and you are perplexed that Mulcair's probable no is of concern.  

Go figure!  Laughing

Maybe clean up your own back yard first before attacking the neighbours, eh!

 

josh

Oy.

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

We are not EXACTLY sure where the NDP stands. Tom Mulcair recently stated that people should not forget that the NDP is the only Party still in existence which opposed invoking the War Measures Act in 1970. He also said that his party is 'leaning' no. Quebec is a potential tinderbox, Harper is trying to light it, and Mulcair is trying to be prudent.

Translated into Liberal terms:

If Mulcair says too much now, the Tory spit machine will say that Mulcair is soft on terrorists as they have with Justin Trudeau. Mulcair is being quiet before the vote, because that might give his Party a tactical advantage.  

thorin_bane

josh wrote:
Geoff wrote:

Here's an article from the Toronto Star on Mulcair's opposition to the bill: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/05/ndp-opposition-to-anti-terror-bill-a-test-of-party-mettle-tim-harper.html

When/If he announces a definitive no, then he'll be deserving of credit.


I guess its flat out better to side with the facist than to at least think about it first right. Good call on that one. You libs sure are digging a hole on this one. If you were better at debating you would mention May more often, even if she is a right wing business advocate, at least she took a principled stand.

thorin_bane

montrealer58 wrote:

We are not EXACTLY sure where the NDP stands. Tom Mulcair recently stated that people should not forget that the NDP is the only Party still in existence which opposed invoking the War Measures Act in 1970. He also said that his party is 'leaning' no. Quebec is a potential tinderbox, Harper is trying to light it, and Mulcair is trying to be prudent.

Translated into Liberal terms:

If Mulcair says too much now, the Tory spit machine will say that Mulcair is soft on terrorists as they have with Justin Trudeau. Mulcair is being quiet before the vote, because that might give his Party a tactical advantage.  

Woh Woh Woh, only Liberals are allowed to not show all their cards. This is the NDP different rules for them. That being said I would like to see them vote correctly on this one. More war mongering by Kenny already. One day in the post and he is talking about sending troops into the Ukraine.

Canada 'peace keeper' to flat out world pariah in only 8 years.

Aristotleded24

Pondering wrote:
Geoff wrote:

Given that Trudeau has climbed into bed with Harper on an issue as fundamental to the country as the so-called anti-terror bill, what difference does it make which party Eve Adams runs for?

Has Mulcair opposed it?

This constant refrain of "what about the NDP?" that we hear from you every time one of us dares to criticize the Liberals is a deflection, and comes across as a failure to honestly examine the implications of the decisions the Liberal leader makes. Many babblers were critical of Harper's bill and we did so on the substance independent of where the Liberal, NDP, and Green parties ended up on that issue.

Debater

thorin_bane wrote:

montrealer58 wrote:

We are not EXACTLY sure where the NDP stands. Tom Mulcair recently stated that people should not forget that the NDP is the only Party still in existence which opposed invoking the War Measures Act in 1970. He also said that his party is 'leaning' no. Quebec is a potential tinderbox, Harper is trying to light it, and Mulcair is trying to be prudent.

Translated into Liberal terms:

If Mulcair says too much now, the Tory spit machine will say that Mulcair is soft on terrorists as they have with Justin Trudeau. Mulcair is being quiet before the vote, because that might give his Party a tactical advantage.  

Woh Woh Woh, only Liberals are allowed to not show all their cards. This is the NDP different rules for them. That being said I would like to see them vote correctly on this one. More war mongering by Kenny already. One day in the post and he is talking about sending troops into the Ukraine.

Canada 'peace keeper' to flat out world pariah in only 8 years.

Yup.  You've just highlighted another difference between the Liberals & Conservatives.

Debater

Here's another difference between Justin Trudeau & Stephen Harper:

Trudeau said Canada needs more indigenous voices, and renewed calls for an inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women in Canada.

http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/rally-for-justin-trudeau-draws-hundreds-in-wi...

Winston

Debater wrote:

Here's another difference between Justin Trudeau & Stephen Harper:

Trudeau said Canada needs more indigenous voices, and renewed calls for an inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women in Canada.

I'm glad that Justin Trudeau has jumped on board to support the inquiry that Romeo Saganash called for in the House, and that others, like Charlie Angus, have been demanding for years. 

You do understand, though, that Stephen Harper is not directly or solely responsible for the indigenous women that have gone missing or been murdered? This has been going on for decades, under Tory AND Liberal governments that have done nothing. This tragedy was being talked about back back in the 1990s, when Canada was such a perfect oasis of "progressive" Liberal values.

The sad state of our indigenous peoples is a shameful reflection on ALL Canadians, regardless of political stripe.

Brachina

http://warrenkinsella.com/2015/02/ratfking-a-lengthy-exposition-five-que...

 

 Warren Kinsella calls the Eve Adams debucle ratfucking.

Debater

Winston wrote:

Debater wrote:

Here's another difference between Justin Trudeau & Stephen Harper:

Trudeau said Canada needs more indigenous voices, and renewed calls for an inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women in Canada.

I'm glad that Justin Trudeau has jumped on board to support the inquiry that Romeo Saganash called for in the House, and that others, like Charlie Angus, have been demanding for years. 

You do understand, though, that Stephen Harper is not directly or solely responsible for the indigenous women that have gone missing or been murdered? This has been going on for decades, under Tory AND Liberal governments that have done nothing. This tragedy was being talked about back back in the 1990s, when Canada was such a perfect oasis of "progressive" Liberal values.

The sad state of our indigenous peoples is a shameful reflection on ALL Canadians, regardless of political stripe.

Who said that Stephen Harper was directly responsible for Aboriginal women being missing?  As vile a man as he is, I never assumed that he was directly involved in their abductions.

The point is that he has opposed doing anything about it for a long time.  Tim Harper had a good column on the PM's ideology last year -> 'Never question, Never ask why.'  It ties into Harper's war on science, evidence-based policy & the long-form census.  No Liberal PM, or prior PC PM has ever tried to strangle scientists and researchers to this degree.

Btw, Justin Trudeau hasn't 'jumped on board'.  He's been supporting the call for an inquiry since Romeo Sagansh did.  Justin also met with Theresa Spence over 2 years ago during her protest against Harper.

Article & photo of Justin & Theresa Spence from December 2012:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/12/26/justin-trudeau-theresa-spence-id...

scott16

I just realized that this Eve Adams debaucle negates the Liberals from attacking the NDP over Maria Mourani running in Ahuntsic-Cartierville.

If and probably when Trudeau calls the NDP separatist for accepting Maria Mourani as a candidate, the NDP can say he accepted Eve Adams as a floor crosser.

Brachina

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/eve-adamss-defection-followed-tense-221434298....

 

 This just gets better and better, this just blew up in Justin's face.

 

Brachina

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/10/michael-den-tandt-what-in-the-wo...

 

 Soudas is not the huge asset that Trudeau thinks he is.

Pondering

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Pondering wrote:
Geoff wrote:

Given that Trudeau has climbed into bed with Harper on an issue as fundamental to the country as the so-called anti-terror bill, what difference does it make which party Eve Adams runs for?

Has Mulcair opposed it?

This constant refrain of "what about the NDP?" that we hear from you every time one of us dares to criticize the Liberals is a deflection, and comes across as a failure to honestly examine the implications of the decisions the Liberal leader makes. Many babblers were critical of Harper's bill and we did so on the substance independent of where the Liberal, NDP, and Green parties ended up on that issue.

That's because I don't support many of these decisions. It's not a reason for me not to vote Liberal unless someone else is offering something unequivocally better. Many of you think that Trudeau doesn't have what it takes to be PM.  I think Mulcair doesn't have what it takes to be PM.

Brachina

 Mulcair has said the NDP is leaning towards opposing the bill, so unless it recieves radical changes means the NDP will vote against it.

Brachina
Brachina

http://warrenkinsella.com/2015/02/in-fridays-sun-the-five-stages-of-poli...

 The irony is Warren's prescription for what Trudeau should have handle it, was basically what Tom Mulcair did with Maria.

Brachina

Varinder Bhuller tells judge the Liberal Party of Canada forced him out of nomination race in Edmonton-Mill woods. # #cdnpoli 

 

 I got the above retweet off Pundits Guide's Twitter.

 

 What a mess Liberal Corruption has created.

 

 

Brachina

"Or, as a disillusioned Liberal put it: “We should have gone with the astronaut.”" This was my favourite line, because its so true.

 

ttp://m.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/bad-judgment-naked-opportunism/article22970176/?service=mobile

 

 

Stockholm

Debater wrote:

 Tim Harper had a good column on the PM's ideology last year -> 'Never question, Never ask why.'  It ties into Harper's war on science, evidence-based policy & the long-form census.  No Liberal PM, or prior PC PM has ever tried to strangle scientists and researchers to this degree.

And guess what? Just 10 days ago when there was a free vote on a private members bill to restore the long-form census - EVE ADAMS voted against it. Just 10 days ago she was 100% behind Harper's anti-science agenda - now suddenly she says she "believes in Liberal values"...

Eve Adams YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!

 

thorin_bane

Stockholm wrote:

Debater wrote:

 Tim Harper had a good column on the PM's ideology last year -> 'Never question, Never ask why.'  It ties into Harper's war on science, evidence-based policy & the long-form census.  No Liberal PM, or prior PC PM has ever tried to strangle scientists and researchers to this degree.

And guess what? Just 10 days ago when there was a free vote on a private members bill to restore the long-form census - EVE ADAMS voted against it. Just 10 days ago she was 100% behind Harper's anti-science agenda - now suddenly she says she "believes in Liberal values"...

Eve Adams YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!

 

But hey Trudeau will make a better PM, you can tell by all the great decisions he has made so far. Like...umm...and then there was that other thing....oh well he has great potential to make a maybe  sorta greatish leader.

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